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Post by johnbar on Nov 1, 2019 0:37:49 GMT -5
The new roster is up: gostanford.com/roster.aspx?path=bvball&roster=1721&sort=classFive freshmen: Previously known: Madi Kriz and Natalie Berty (the latter from the indoor team). New names: Winslow Church Zeena Khazendar Kylie Matheson Schedule is not up yet, but I heard they will have a trip to Miami next spring.
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 1, 2019 12:19:00 GMT -5
you know, it is kind of odd the glacial pace at which Stanford is advancing their Beach program. Stanford is known for the biggest commitment in the country to women's sports. Probably outspend the next closest competitor by at least 50% (considering the private tuition, and robust coaching staffs).
And yet here we are in approx. year 9 of the emergence of Beach, and year 5 of NCAA full sanctioning, and Stanford is just barely getting off the ground. How does one explain that?
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Post by johnbar on Nov 1, 2019 12:54:23 GMT -5
They did build a beautiful facility and hire name coaches.
But I am a little puzzled why they haven't been more successful recruiting.
Of course, they did lose a couple of high-profile recruits to USC. And Kathryn Plummer decided to concentrate on indoor.
And it seems Hambly is a lot more skeptical of indoor players playing beach, compared to Dunning.
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Post by vballfreak808 on Nov 1, 2019 13:23:37 GMT -5
What they have returning is promising for the program, not necessarily going to win a national championship but a strong team to play. Kriz is going to make an impact as a blocker and I know Winslow Church was once a Pepperdine commit so good pick-up for the Card
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Post by beachindoor on Nov 1, 2019 14:50:40 GMT -5
They did build a beautiful facility and hire name coaches. But I am a little puzzled why they haven't been more successful recruiting. Of course, they did lose a couple of high-profile recruits to USC. And Kathryn Plummer decided to concentrate on indoor. And it seems Hambly is a lot more skeptical of indoor players playing beach, compared to Dunning. what makes you say that Hambly is more skeptical ?
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Post by johnbar on Nov 1, 2019 15:04:57 GMT -5
And it seems Hambly is a lot more skeptical of indoor players playing beach, compared to Dunning. what makes you say that Hambly is more skeptical ? Things he has said, I don't recall the exact quotations. Maybe it was along the lines that beach needs to stand on its own. Or something about it didn't make sense for certain (indoor) players to be playing beach. But partly what he said, and partly how he said it. Dunning made statements about the value of beach in helping some indoor players develop all-around skills.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Nov 1, 2019 17:15:49 GMT -5
what makes you say that Hambly is more skeptical ? Things he has said, I don't recall the exact quotations. Maybe it was along the lines that beach needs to stand on its own. Or something about it didn't make sense for certain (indoor) players to be playing beach. But partly what he said, and partly how he said it. Dunning made statements about the value of beach in helping some indoor players develop all-around skills.
Dunning actively pushed indoor players to beach. Hambly doesn’t have that level of commitment, to say the least.
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Post by pd154 on Nov 2, 2019 1:00:44 GMT -5
Do they play tomorrow at Pismo VS LMU and Cal?
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Post by pd154 on Nov 2, 2019 1:01:35 GMT -5
Tomorrow is Nov 2 -2019 just to be clear.
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Post by ajm on Nov 2, 2019 9:40:19 GMT -5
Things he has said, I don't recall the exact quotations. Maybe it was along the lines that beach needs to stand on its own. Or something about it didn't make sense for certain (indoor) players to be playing beach. But partly what he said, and partly how he said it. Dunning made statements about the value of beach in helping some indoor players develop all-around skills.
Dunning actively pushed indoor players to beach. Hambly doesn’t have that level of commitment, to say the least. I recall Hambly being asked about this during an interview on The Net Live a year or so ago. He said he discourages his indoor players from playing beach and in some cases doesn’t allow it at all.
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Post by johnbar on Nov 2, 2019 11:02:20 GMT -5
Do they play tomorrow at Pismo VS LMU and Cal? Based on IG, they seem to be in Pismo Beach, so sounds likely.
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 2, 2019 15:21:26 GMT -5
Dunning actively pushed indoor players to beach. Hambly doesn’t have that level of commitment, to say the least. I recall Hambly being asked about this during an interview on The Net Live a year or so ago. He said he discourages his indoor players from playing beach and in some cases doesn’t allow it at all. then Hambly's an idiot. There is no pursuit to better teach indoor players ball control (hand setting, bump setting, serve receive, defense) than playing Beach. Beyond that, playing on sand improves spacial awareness, balance, agility, and strengthens certain muscles that don't get worked on a hard surface, thus better preventing injuries. If all Hambly wants is 3 rotation OH and poor transition bigs, then... wow, I'm just dumbfounded, dumbstricken, and stupified. But that does help explain why Stanford has lagged a little behind USC, UCLA, Pepperdine, etc.
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Post by downtheline on Nov 2, 2019 16:37:23 GMT -5
And perhaps why his star A/A has been injured the past two years.
The thought process was the same with Haley @ USC and it was part of why he was shown the door, imho.
It is ego & job security driven behavior and not guided by what may be best for any given athlete.
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Post by ajm on Nov 3, 2019 11:59:13 GMT -5
Here's what Kevin Hambly said on the January 14th, 2019 edition of The Net Live (at about the 1 hour 45 minute mark): thenetliveshow.com/2019/01/kevin-hambly-talks-stanford-national-championship/Barnett: Beach season is upcoming. Do you think that's been a benefit to the kids or not? Hambly: Um, I don't know. I think it's hard to say. I can tell you that we had four players with the same injury and they played both, beach and indoor. The only players who got injured are the ones who played both. And so I have some concerns about workload and all that. I can tell you that we have less players playing beach this year than we have in the past...and that's because they want to spend more time on indoor and they want to spend more time doing things on campus. I think there is a benefit to it but with that benefit there's cost and that cost is your health and wellness and time...our players as long as this has gone on, they're trending toward less beach, which hurts Andrew's program, certainly, at least now, but I think moving forward he'll go to get more beach only players and I think that's going to help the program explode and take off. He's been hamstrung a bit by the time split where the players aren't completely committed to beach.
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 3, 2019 15:55:45 GMT -5
^ that is different in tone and substance than what appeared in a prior post. Hambly is arguing against overuse injury. I made an argument that Beach strengthens certain muscles (on a forgiving surface) and that it actually prevents injury. He has observed the opposite. I believe what he observed to be coincidence, but cannot know for certain. The ideal would be to play a little less indoor and supplement with Beach but that is not a possibility given the way athletes' time is demanded these days.
Setting the injury issue aside, Beach is the best possible ball control training an indoor player can get.
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