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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 5, 2019 12:34:35 GMT -5
^ if that's the case, then he must have some plan in place. Will be interesting to see who pairs with him.
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Post by butteryhands on Dec 5, 2019 12:52:13 GMT -5
Troy is playing with Casey P. He want to play international tournies with his aspiration being the 2024 Olympics.
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Post by haze on Dec 5, 2019 13:10:33 GMT -5
Troy and Tim were a 1 off all along. Tim knew Troy is looking to go International and their partnership last year was a mutual agreement for one season so Field could continue to grow as a player and accumulate some AVP points. Field is also fully bought in with Patterson, and that partnership is also another step for Field Intenationally. He will have opportunities to get some points and hopefully be in a position in 2021 to start his 2024 campaign with a new partner.
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Post by robonthemic on Dec 5, 2019 14:23:42 GMT -5
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Post by swift on Dec 6, 2019 5:37:10 GMT -5
to be honest I don't see Troy make an impact on the FIVB tour. Mainly because he's not a good enough blocker to keep up with the top blockers on the FIVB tour and secondly because he's technically not as sound as most players on that tour. The latter he can work on and improve but I don't see him become a top blocker. And it has become very hard to be successful internationally without a very good blocker on your team.
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Post by COVAlove on Dec 6, 2019 7:02:33 GMT -5
I continue to think Troy’s future if he wants to be a top level international player has to be as a defender. Irregardless of his huge vert he is very undersized as a blocker and he moves well enough and seems to have instincts suitable for defending. Repurpose that vertical as a transition monster.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Dec 6, 2019 8:47:46 GMT -5
to be honest I don't see Troy make an impact on the FIVB tour. Mainly because he's not a good enough blocker to keep up with the top blockers on the FIVB tour and secondly because he's technically not as sound as most players on that tour. The latter he can work on and improve but I don't see him become a top blocker. And it has become very hard to be successful internationally without a very good blocker on your team. Not right away no, but playing internationally with a beyond seasoned vet like Casey is going to be an amazing mentor for him. Tim taught troy how to be a professional, IMO Casey is going to teach him how to still show his personality in that professional manner. This is a very good, and potentially great learning experience for Troy.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Dec 6, 2019 8:50:00 GMT -5
I continue to think Troy’s future if he wants to be a top level international player has to be as a defender. Irregardless of his huge vert he is very undersized as a blocker and he moves well enough and seems to have instincts suitable for defending. Repurpose that vertical as a transition monster. I don't see anything wrong with being a blocker right now especially playing with Casey like I just alluded to in response to the post before yours. Besides, Casey made the same transition, so why not learn from one of our generational top players while he is young and has the body to block creating a lasting relationship with Casey that could come in handy later in the form of a coach or trainer if Troy ever transitioned to a defender.
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Post by guest2 on Dec 6, 2019 8:53:05 GMT -5
to be honest I don't see Troy make an impact on the FIVB tour. Mainly because he's not a good enough blocker to keep up with the top blockers on the FIVB tour and secondly because he's technically not as sound as most players on that tour. The latter he can work on and improve but I don't see him become a top blocker. And it has become very hard to be successful internationally without a very good blocker on your team. Not right away no, but playing internationally with a beyond seasoned vet like Casey is going to be an amazing mentor for him. Tim taught troy how to be a professional, IMO Casey is going to teach him how to still show his personality in that professional manner. This is a very good, and potentially great learning experience for Troy. I think playing with Casey will be valuable to Troy as well, but also agree with swift and COVAlove that Troy's future is as a defender. Right now he is a weak, undersized blocker. Why waste several years to maybe develop into a pretty good undersized blocker when there is so much more potential on defense? Nothing stopping him - in theory anyway - from becoming a great defender
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Post by guest2 on Dec 6, 2019 8:57:31 GMT -5
I continue to think Troy’s future if he wants to be a top level international player has to be as a defender. Irregardless of his huge vert he is very undersized as a blocker and he moves well enough and seems to have instincts suitable for defending. Repurpose that vertical as a transition monster. I don't see anything wrong with being a blocker right now especially playing with Casey like I just alluded to in response to the post before yours. Besides, Casey made the same transition, so why not learn from one of our generational top players while he is young and has the body to block creating a lasting relationship with Casey that could come in handy later in the form of a coach or trainer if Troy ever transitioned to a defender. Not sure Casey is the guy I would want showing somebody how to play defense. How to be an international pro sure, but Casey has been one of the worst defenders on tour throughout his entire tenure. Also one problem they may encounter is getting into events. This is a team with some pretty big gaps notably point scoring and Troys tendency to get blocked a lot - compound that with bigger, more athletic FIVB blockers. Lots of US teams looking for international play this year and Im not sure Troy/Casey would be a favorite over Chaim/Chase and certainly not Reid/Theo or Slick/Allen (if that is where those guys end up) in CQs
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Post by moderndaycoach on Dec 6, 2019 9:01:59 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with being a blocker right now especially playing with Casey like I just alluded to in response to the post before yours. Besides, Casey made the same transition, so why not learn from one of our generational top players while he is young and has the body to block creating a lasting relationship with Casey that could come in handy later in the form of a coach or trainer if Troy ever transitioned to a defender. Not sure Casey is the guy I would want showing somebody how to play defense. How to be an international pro sure, but Casey has been one of the worst defenders on tour throughout his entire tenure. Also one problem they may encounter is getting into events. This is a team with some pretty big gaps notably point scoring and Troys tendency to get blocked a lot - compound that with bigger, more athletic FIVB blockers. Lots of US teams looking for international play this year and Im not sure Troy/Casey would be a favorite over Chaim/Chase and certainly not Reid/Theo or Slick/Allen (if that is where those guys end up) in CQs Agreed Casey had maybe a few years of above average defending and nothing more than that, but the best coaches weren't always the best players. Casey is closer to consistently being in the bottom half of the AVP MD than Troy is to being an Olympian - he is young and should take all the experience he can get from a guy who is an international veteran and Olympian.
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Post by guest2 on Dec 6, 2019 9:20:46 GMT -5
Not sure Casey is the guy I would want showing somebody how to play defense. How to be an international pro sure, but Casey has been one of the worst defenders on tour throughout his entire tenure. Also one problem they may encounter is getting into events. This is a team with some pretty big gaps notably point scoring and Troys tendency to get blocked a lot - compound that with bigger, more athletic FIVB blockers. Lots of US teams looking for international play this year and Im not sure Troy/Casey would be a favorite over Chaim/Chase and certainly not Reid/Theo or Slick/Allen (if that is where those guys end up) in CQs Agreed Casey had maybe a few years of above average defending and nothing more than that, but the best coaches weren't always the best players. Casey is closer to consistently being in the bottom half of the AVP MD than Troy is to being an Olympian - he is young and should take all the experience he can get from a guy who is an international veteran and Olympian. Yeah, one thing that does get overlooked with Casey is he is a bold thinker about VB. Him switching to full time defense was a masterstroke and it extended his career and got him an FIVB win, which he never gets otherwise
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Post by kob on Dec 6, 2019 10:40:01 GMT -5
Not right away no, but playing internationally with a beyond seasoned vet like Casey is going to be an amazing mentor for him. Tim taught troy how to be a professional, IMO Casey is going to teach him how to still show his personality in that professional manner. This is a very good, and potentially great learning experience for Troy. I think playing with Casey will be valuable to Troy as well, but also agree with swift and COVAlove that Troy's future is as a defender. Right now he is a weak, undersized blocker. Why waste several years to maybe develop into a pretty good undersized blocker when there is so much more potential on defense? Nothing stopping him - in theory anyway - from becoming a great defender I would also like to see Troy transition to a defender because he has potential to be a great side out player and I would like to see him get some transition plays. However, I don't know why everyone is saying he is undersized, nor why that is the only attribute of a blocker that seems to matter. He is 6'4. He has over a 40 inch vertical. Gavira/Herrera are both 6'4 Samilovs/Smedins are 6'5/6'3 Grimalts are 6'5/6'3 All these teams have proven to be a force on the tour (less to the Grimalts, they were a breakout team this year but have potential) None of the above guys appear to have the same vertical as Troy though. I think if he hones in his blocking skills, much to how Jake Gibb does at his age, he could do really well. Let's not forget that Troy only decided to pursue beach as a profession in 2017. Let's give him time to grow either as a defender or blocker
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Post by butteryhands on Dec 6, 2019 11:17:08 GMT -5
I don't think Troy has the hand-eye reaction time to be a high level digger. He could certainly work on fixing his weird hand positioning on his overhand digging which last year often resulted in the ball being shanked off the court. I do think he has relatively short arms compared to most blockers but obviously there is room for growth in how he reads hitters when blocking and just being more disciplined. He did make some good strides in the ball control aspects last year and will likely be much more consistent now that he'll be practicing with his partner on a weekly basis.
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Post by guest2 on Dec 6, 2019 11:53:27 GMT -5
I think playing with Casey will be valuable to Troy as well, but also agree with swift and COVAlove that Troy's future is as a defender. Right now he is a weak, undersized blocker. Why waste several years to maybe develop into a pretty good undersized blocker when there is so much more potential on defense? Nothing stopping him - in theory anyway - from becoming a great defender I would also like to see Troy transition to a defender because he has potential to be a great side out player and I would like to see him get some transition plays. However, I don't know why everyone is saying he is undersized, nor why that is the only attribute of a blocker that seems to matter. He is 6'4. He has over a 40 inch vertical. Gavira/Herrera are both 6'4 Samilovs/Smedins are 6'5/6'3 Grimalts are 6'5/6'3 All these teams have proven to be a force on the tour (less to the Grimalts, they were a breakout team this year but have potential) None of the above guys appear to have the same vertical as Troy though. I think if he hones in his blocking skills, much to how Jake Gibb does at his age, he could do really well. Let's not forget that Troy only decided to pursue beach as a profession in 2017. Let's give him time to grow either as a defender or blocker All those guys are undersized and it definitely affects them. Latvia and Spain make up for it with exceptional sideout play (both) and great defense and ball control (Latvia moreso) Chile I think were somewhat of a flash in the pan but I think the same apply to them both.
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