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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 9, 2019 19:25:44 GMT -5
Brad Keller saved UCLA's season by joining the Women's staff. However, one season as a women's associate HC does not provide the foundation he would need at any big time sports school for HC. He needs to go from AHC at UCLA to HC at a less high profile woman's program to prove his skills in head coaching women's volleyball. I don't know much about Keller specifically, but why does he have to do that? Heather Olmstead went from associate head coach to head coach (granted, that was at the same university where she was already associate head coach, but still) and was fine. It's possible to do that, but it's his first season. tOSU is not BYU, it is a top 10 or top 20 place to cap a career coaching depending on the sport. It is not a place to learn on the job. Who hires a head coach that has been in women's volleyball only one year? The other part of that is that HC is not just AHC only bigger... it is completely different. It's the difference b/w Vice President and President... different worlds, different requirements.
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 9, 2019 19:38:29 GMT -5
Surprised no one has mentioned (at least none that I have read) Jamie Morrison. He is out as the Dutch national team head coach, and has quite an impressive resume. ... Was mentioned at least twice. Once by me and the other by someone else I can't quite remember.
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 9, 2019 19:38:46 GMT -5
I don't know much about Keller specifically, but why does he have to do that? Heather Olmstead went from associate head coach to head coach (granted, that was at the same university where she was already associate head coach, but still) and was fine. It's possible to do that, but it's his first season. tOSU is not BYU, it is a top 10 or top 20 place to cap a career coaching depending on the sport. It is not a place to learn on the job. Who hires a head coach that has been in women's volleyball only one year? The other part of that is that HC is not just AHC only bigger... it is completely different. It's the difference b/w Vice President and President... different worlds, different requirements. I could understand that argument if it was his first year in that role in any capacity. But in the coaching world, he has been around for a while and is thought very highly of, given his work with the UCLA men. He has some previous experience on the women's side and a tremendous record on the men's. He has been contacted and interviewed for major jobs on the women's side even prior to this year and the work he did with this UCLA team. Making the jump quickly to a major HC position would not be out of the question.
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 9, 2019 19:46:13 GMT -5
^ Sealy enters the last year of his contract in January (probably). I assume that means the contract is through 12/31/20. Anyone who thinks Sealy will do a better job HCing next year vs. letting him go a year early in favor of Keller hasn't followed the Sealey saga over the past six years. Nonetheless, volleyball is not a revenue sport and there isn't a lot of reason to cut a coach off a year before the contract expires. So my bet is that when UCLA exits the Tournament (round of 32 most likely) next December, Keller gets the nod as Sealy's replacement. PLEASE
To me it is in Keller's interest to hang around another one year to see if what should be a dream job and perennial top 16 program, is offered to him. There is no structural reason that UCLA cannot be the Volleyball peer of every school except those coached by Rose, Cook, McCutcheon, or Stanford. And when those three retire sometime in the next 10 years, there is no reason UCLA cannot challenge Stanford every year.
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Post by Freeman on Dec 9, 2019 19:56:08 GMT -5
Surprised no one has mentioned (at least none that I have read) Jamie Morrison. He is out as the Dutch national team head coach, and has quite an impressive resume. some other thoughts from the men's side: Brad Keller (now ucla wvb asst), Charlie Sullivan, Dan Friend, & Nickie Sanlin are all proven winners and have done a great job building successful programs. Seems to me that OSU is rebuilding (sort of), and these people are high quality coaches and people. What makes Sanlin a proven winner?
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 9, 2019 20:07:57 GMT -5
^ Sealey enters the last year of his contract in January (probably). I assume that means the contract is through 12/31/20. Anyone who thinks Sealey will do a better job HCing next year vs. letting him go a year early in favor of Keller hasn't followed the Sealey saga over the past six years. Nonetheless, volleyball is not a revenue sport and there isn't a lot of reason to cut a coach off a year before the contract expires. So my bet is that when UCLA exits the Tournament (round of 32 most likely) next December, Keller gets the nod as Sealy's replacement. PLEASE To me it is in Keller's interest to hang around another one year to see if what should be a dream job and perennial top 16 program, is offered to him. There is no structural reason that UCLA cannot be the Volleyball peer of every school except those coached by Rose, Cook, McCutcheon, or Stanford. And when those three retire sometime in the next 10 years, there is no reason UCLA cannot challenge Stanford every year.
You don't think that Keller and UCLA has a deal worked out before he came over to the women's team?
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 9, 2019 20:10:31 GMT -5
^ I posted that back in October, in almost those exact words. Somebody said it wasn't that way, so I dropped the thought.
Oct 1, 2019 at 4:51pm
I'm starting to think UCLA has already hired its head coach for Jan. 2021, at which point Sealy will have been let go. It makes sense, since his contract runs through the 2020 season. It's quite possible that if UCLA fails to make the NCAAs this year, they simply eat the last year of Sealy's contract, and the new HC is already on staff.
If Sealy makes the NCAA's by a whisker, then it's "let's see if there is marked improvement in 2020", and if not, he's still gone.
Keller's got to figure the job is 50% his for 2020, and up to 80% probability for 2021.
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 9, 2019 20:12:45 GMT -5
^ Sealey enters the last year of his contract in January (probably). I assume that means the contract is through 12/31/20. Anyone who thinks Sealey will do a better job HCing next year vs. letting him go a year early in favor of Keller hasn't followed the Sealey saga over the past six years. Nonetheless, volleyball is not a revenue sport and there isn't a lot of reason to cut a coach off a year before the contract expires. So my bet is that when UCLA exits the Tournament (round of 32 most likely) next December, Keller gets the nod as Sealy's replacement. PLEASE To me it is in Keller's interest to hang around another one year to see if what should be a dream job and perennial top 16 program, is offered to him. There is no structural reason that UCLA cannot be the Volleyball peer of every school except those coached by Rose, Cook, McCutcheon, or Stanford. And when those three retire sometime in the next 10 years, there is no reason UCLA cannot challenge Stanford every year.
You don't think that Keller and UCLA has a deal worked out before he came over to the women's team? I don't.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 9, 2019 20:20:33 GMT -5
I think Keller jumps ship as soon as he can.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 9, 2019 20:26:41 GMT -5
^ Sealey enters the last year of his contract in January (probably). I assume that means the contract is through 12/31/20. Anyone who thinks Sealey will do a better job HCing next year vs. letting him go a year early in favor of Keller hasn't followed the Sealey saga over the past six years. Nonetheless, volleyball is not a revenue sport and there isn't a lot of reason to cut a coach off a year before the contract expires. So my bet is that when UCLA exits the Tournament (round of 32 most likely) next December, Keller gets the nod as Sealy's replacement. PLEASE To me it is in Keller's interest to hang around another one year to see if what should be a dream job and perennial top 16 program, is offered to him. There is no structural reason that UCLA cannot be the Volleyball peer of every school except those coached by Rose, Cook, McCutcheon, or Stanford. And when those three retire sometime in the next 10 years, there is no reason UCLA cannot challenge Stanford every year.
You don't think that Keller and UCLA has a deal worked out before he came over to the women's team? I certainly don’t.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 9, 2019 20:29:23 GMT -5
Someone who will remain loyal if bigger opportunities come calling... Wait, I thought OSU was the supreme job, creme de la creme...fully capable of being the counter to Huskers, Penn St and Wisc...the dream job who could lure any coach away to coach there...did I misread these many posts or is there another version? You did misread that because nobody said that. The key to a good smart ass post is more smart, less ass!
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Post by This Guy on Dec 9, 2019 21:09:40 GMT -5
This could be THE year for Cincinnati, does Alvey work her way into this conversation at all?
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 9, 2019 21:11:19 GMT -5
I don't know much about Keller specifically, but why does he have to do that? Heather Olmstead went from associate head coach to head coach (granted, that was at the same university where she was already associate head coach, but still) and was fine. It's possible to do that, but it's his first season. tOSU is not BYU, it is a top 10 or top 20 place to cap a career coaching depending on the sport. It is not a place to learn on the job. Who hires a head coach that has been in women's volleyball only one year? The other part of that is that HC is not just AHC only bigger... it is completely different. It's the difference b/w Vice President and President... different worlds, different requirements. To be honest, I think the idea that Ohio State is a more prestigious than BYU in volleyball is debatable. At best (BYU is not a place to learn on the job either). But there are other examples. For example, in football, Tom Osborne succeeded legendary coach Bob Devaney and was arguably even more successful. Ohio State is a good volleyball job. It's not a great volleyball job like Stanford or Nebraska or Penn State or Texas.
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 9, 2019 21:19:21 GMT -5
^ right. But you have to look at the Athletic Dept. as a whole. Eventually an underperforming sport will rise to the expectations, and culture, held by the Dept. That's why I said tOSU is a top 10, or at least top 20, place to coach, regardless of sport.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 9, 2019 21:21:50 GMT -5
^ right. But you have to look at the Athletic Dept. as a whole. Eventually an underperforming sport will rise to the expectations, and culture, held by the Dept. That's why I said tOSU is a top 10, or at least top 20, place to coach, regardless of sport. Certainly the athletic department is one of the wealthiest in the country. No argument there. But I don't think that precludes an assistant from getting the job. They just need to make the right hire, whether that's a top assistant or a head coach at smaller program or whatever.
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