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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 8, 2019 9:45:34 GMT -5
Why are yβall so pressed about this still the game was two days ago get over it π. Also, itβs not liked she stayed up there and coached the rest of the match, she talked to them for like 3-5 minutes and walked right back to her seat.
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Post by SportyBucky on Dec 8, 2019 9:48:45 GMT -5
Anyone saying this is a rules violation without quoting an actual rule is an idiot. I would really love to know what rule she was breaking. While we're at it, I'd like to know why you care. She wasn't giving tactical advice; it was lighting a fire. If you truly believe what Khat Bell said in that house huddle had any impact on the outcome, you're living in Nevernever land.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 8, 2019 9:52:06 GMT -5
Anyone saying this is a rules violation without quoting an actual rule is an idiot. I would really love to know what rule she was breaking. While we're at it, I'd like to know why you care. She wasn't giving tactical advice; it was lighting a fire. If you truly believe what Khat Bell said in that house huddle had any impact on the outcome, you're living in Nevernever land. So is anyone saying she wasn't giving tactical advice without hearing what she said, also an idiot?
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Post by huskergeek on Dec 8, 2019 9:59:01 GMT -5
This has always seemed like a grey area in the NCAA rules. College football teams have had celebrities act as "Honorary Coaches" on the sidelines where they are free to interact with players. In blowouts, they have even been asked to "call" a play. Bell's status as a professional player might push this further into the grey as she is much more likely to have some valid insight into the game than Joe/Jane Schmoe actor/actress. UT already has an assigned volunteer coach Riley Beuchler, I'm guessing that UCSB could argue that Texas effectively had two volunteer coaches which I believe is against the rules and that Texas had not notified the NCAA compliance office of any coaching changes prior to the game which is also against NCAA rules. Neither of those is going to get a result overturned, but there would probably be an adjustment regarding the rules put in place for next year to specifically prohibit exactly this situation and would have an official on the books penalty like loss of the set (or potentially designate one university friend who is allowed to be on the sidelines for a game and therefore make the situation legal). Which is generally how obscure rules get created anyway.
HG Verdict: Violation... sort of. Assuming my several quick Google searches turned up relevant results anyway.
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Post by SportyBucky on Dec 8, 2019 10:00:50 GMT -5
Anyone saying this is a rules violation without quoting an actual rule is an idiot. I would really love to know what rule she was breaking. While we're at it, I'd like to know why you care. She wasn't giving tactical advice; it was lighting a fire. If you truly believe what Khat Bell said in that house huddle had any impact on the outcome, you're living in Nevernever land. So is anyone saying she wasn't giving tactical advice without hearing what she said, also an idiot? You think Khat had anything to say about tactics? I guess that's possible but do you really think that's what the focus of her yelling and pointing at people was all about? I was with the UCSB folks directly behind the bench. I do not think she was telling them not to serve the libero or to commit block their OHs. She was encouraging. If she was giving tactical advice, do you think that helped or hurt? Honestly. Sorry but the staff had 4 sets to right that ship and all the data to support their direction. Can't imagine Khat's insight was about x's and o's...but that's just my opinion.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 8, 2019 10:01:32 GMT -5
Anyone saying this is a rules violation without quoting an actual rule is an idiot. I'll point out that I did quote an actual rule. However, I don't claim to know if this was a rules violation or not. There is a rule (in the Pre-Championship Handbook) that I mentioned that specifies the limit on the number of people that can be on the bench. But I don't know if Texas was already at the limit of 25 before Bell. There is also a rule in the NCAA Manual that limits the number of coaches allowed for every team. However, it's not clear whether or not Bell gave tactical instruction to the players. A pep talk (if that's all it was) probably does not count as "tactical".
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Post by yupyupyup on Dec 8, 2019 10:02:53 GMT -5
Khatt Bell is washed up Likely would have harmed the team more than helped them by her entering the huddle. Very unprofessional example of arrogance here And you are? Awful thing to say. Good job.
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Post by SportyBucky on Dec 8, 2019 10:04:35 GMT -5
Anyone saying this is a rules violation without quoting an actual rule is an idiot. I'll point out that I did quote an actual rule. However, I don't claim to know if this was a rules violation or not. There is a rule (in the Pre-Championship Handbook) that I mentioned that specifies the limit on the number of people that can be on the bench. But I don't know if Texas was already at the limit of 25 before Bell. There is also a rule in the NCAA Manual that limits the number of coaches allowed for every team. However, it's not clear whether or not Bell gave tactical instruction to the players. A pep talk (if that's all it was) probably does not count as "tactical". I didn't say you didn't quote a rule. I also doubted a violation of that rule occurred based on my proximity. But here's the thing...who cares? I am pretty certain it didn't provide a competitive advantage. I mean, how many times did Khat hit into the block of a 5'8" Demi in the 2013 National Semis? π
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 8, 2019 10:06:51 GMT -5
Anyone saying this is a rules violation without quoting an actual rule is an idiot. I would really love to know what rule she was breaking. While we're at it, I'd like to know why you care. She wasn't giving tactical advice; it was lighting a fire. If you truly believe what Khat Bell said in that house huddle had any impact on the outcome, you're living in Nevernever land. So is anyone saying she wasn't giving tactical advice without hearing what she said, also an idiot? Yes, they are an idiot. Listened to interviews with both players and Khat after the game who talked about what she said. Summarize it as a pep talk with some salty language.
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Post by sevb on Dec 8, 2019 10:07:36 GMT -5
The NCAA post season rules dictate roster size and those who may be in the bench/warm up area while the match is in play... She was not on the bench... She exited the stands and so far as I can tell returned there prior to the start of the next set... There is no violation...
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Post by tomclen on Dec 8, 2019 10:07:52 GMT -5
So is anyone saying she wasn't giving tactical advice without hearing what she said, also an idiot? You think Khat had anything to say about tactics? I guess that's possible but do you really think that's what the focus of her yelling and pointing at people was all about? I was with the UCSB folks directly behind the bench. I do not think she was telling them not to serve the libero or to commit block their OHs. She was encouraging. If she was giving tactical advice, do you think that helped or hurt? Honestly. Sorry but the staff had 4 sets to right that ship and all the data to support their direction. Can't imagine Khat's insight was about x's and o's...but that's just my opinion. I have no idea what she said to the team. And since I don't really know the rules, I was just asking where the line is going to be on this sort of thing. Let's say Friday night, Stanford was down 0-2 to Denver. John Dunning is in the stands and he comes down and huddles with the team. Is that now okay, going forward? Or let's say Washington was down 0-2 to South Carolina Saturday night. Sanja Tomasevic happens to be in the stands. She comes down and huddles with the team. Is that now okay, going forward?
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 8, 2019 10:08:30 GMT -5
I'll point out that I did quote an actual rule. However, I don't claim to know if this was a rules violation or not. There is a rule (in the Pre-Championship Handbook) that I mentioned that specifies the limit on the number of people that can be on the bench. But I don't know if Texas was already at the limit of 25 before Bell. There is also a rule in the NCAA Manual that limits the number of coaches allowed for every team. However, it's not clear whether or not Bell gave tactical instruction to the players. A pep talk (if that's all it was) probably does not count as "tactical". I didn't say you didn't quote a rule. I also doubted a violation of that rule occurred based on my proximity. But here's the thing...who cares? I am pretty certain it didn't provide a competitive advantage. I mean, how many times did Khat hit into the block of a 5'8" Demi in the 2013 National Semis? She has little to offer. π We don't enforce rules violations based on whether they had an effect or not. "No harm, no foul" is not an actual guidance for rule enforcement.
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Post by huskergeek on Dec 8, 2019 10:09:26 GMT -5
You think Khat had anything to say about tactics? I guess that's possible but do you really think that's what the focus of her yelling and pointing at people was all about? I was with the UCSB folks directly behind the bench. I do not think she was telling them not to serve the libero or to commit block their OHs. She was encouraging. If she was giving tactical advice, do you think that helped or hurt? Honestly. Sorry but the staff had 4 sets to right that ship and all the data to support their direction. Can't imagine Khat's insight was about x's and o's...but that's just my opinion. I have no idea what she said to the team. And since I don't really know the rules, I was just asking where the line is going to be on this sort of thing. Let's say Friday night, Stanford was down 0-2 to Denver. John Dunning is in the stands and he comes down and huddles with the team. Is that now okay, going forward? Or let's say Washington was down 0-2 to South Carolina Saturday night. Sanja Tomasevic happens to be in the stands. She comes down and huddles with the team. Is that now okay, going forward? This is why no one should be surprised if the NCAA suddenly adopts a Khat Bell Rule before next season.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 8, 2019 10:09:56 GMT -5
The NCAA post season rules dictate roster size and those who may be in the bench/warm up area while the match is in play... She was not on the bench... She exited the stands and so far as I can tell returned there prior to the start of the next set... There is no violation... This is nonsense. If that were the rule, any team could have any number of coaches they wanted, as long as they made a show of coming down from the stands and then going back up to them after.
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Post by brybast on Dec 8, 2019 10:10:52 GMT -5
Khatt Bell is washed up Likely would have harmed the team more than helped them by her entering the huddle. Very unprofessional example of arrogance here Haha someone's bitter
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