|
Post by mikevolley on Feb 18, 2020 22:07:40 GMT -5
Thought some of this info was cool... Big Ten schools ranked from first to worst in terms of 2019 passing grades. Best primary passer and worst primary passer, with their respective grades are also listed. All stats are conference play only - to keep things more equitable. (1) Purdue 2.22 - best passer Hornung 2.28 - worst passer Otec 2.17 (2) Penn State 2.19 - best passer White 2.31 - worst passer Parker 1.84 (3) Wisconsin 2.17 - best passer (joint) Clark & Dodge 2.27 - worst passer Haggerty 2.01 (4) Illinois 2.12 - best passer Welsh 2.38 - worst passer Quade 2.00 (5) Ohio State 2.11 - best passer Murr 2.23 - worst passer Franklin 2.06 (6) Michigan 2.09 - best passer Smith 2.13 - worst passer Hamacher 1.94 (7) Iowa 2.08 - best passer Boyer 2.22 - worst passer Hughes 1.98 (t8) Nebraska 2.03 - best passer Kubik 2.13 - worst Sun 1.85 (t8) Michigan State 2.03 - best passer Gibbs 2.13 - worst passer Norris 2.03 (10) Indiana 1.99 - best passer Malloy 2.14 - worst passer Edwards 1.88 (11) Minnesota 1.98 - best passer Sheehan 2.06 - worst passer Hart 1.83 (12) Rutgers 1.97 - best passer Marmen 2.04 - worst passer Kojadinovic 1.92 (13) Northwestern 1.91 - best passer Pitsas 1.99 - worst passer Cronister (14) Maryland 1.91 - best passer Rivas 2.11 - worst passer Rath 1.75 A few thoughts... Some of the best passing teams are going to take big ball control losses; Wisconsin lose their two top passers in Clark and Dodge (Barnes had a down year after a solid 2018). So do Illinois (Welsh and O'Brien) and PSU (White & Holcomb). Purdue is the exception - they return all 4 of their primary passers and had 3 players over 2.2 this year. Although Nebraska had their worst year passing in a long time, they keep all their passers and you'd expect the Fr to improve but need to figure out what happened to Sun; she passed a 2.14 in 2018 to 1.85 this year. That's the biggest fall in the conference this year. Others are fairly obvious. If anyone has any questions, feel free to tag. As a Penn State fan, I am excited to see how Parker develops as a passer her final two years. I think in order for PSU to be a true Natty contender in the next two years one of the OH will have to be an 2.1+ passer. We are still fairly young on the left pin but if Jonni can pass well when she is back row I think it'll open the offense a lot more and make her a more complete player.
|
|
|
Post by gibbyb1 on Feb 18, 2020 22:23:24 GMT -5
Thought some of this info was cool... Big Ten schools ranked from first to worst in terms of 2019 passing grades. Best primary passer and worst primary passer, with their respective grades are also listed. All stats are conference play only - to keep things more equitable. (1) Purdue 2.22 - best passer Hornung 2.28 - worst passer Otec 2.17 (2) Penn State 2.19 - best passer White 2.31 - worst passer Parker 1.84 (3) Wisconsin 2.17 - best passer (joint) Clark & Dodge 2.27 - worst passer Haggerty 2.01 (4) Illinois 2.12 - best passer Welsh 2.38 - worst passer Quade 2.00 (5) Ohio State 2.11 - best passer Murr 2.23 - worst passer Franklin 2.06 (6) Michigan 2.09 - best passer Smith 2.13 - worst passer Hamacher 1.94 (7) Iowa 2.08 - best passer Boyer 2.22 - worst passer Hughes 1.98 (t8) Nebraska 2.03 - best passer Kubik 2.13 - worst Sun 1.85 (t8) Michigan State 2.03 - best passer Gibbs 2.13 - worst passer Norris 2.03 (10) Indiana 1.99 - best passer Malloy 2.14 - worst passer Edwards 1.88 (11) Minnesota 1.98 - best passer Sheehan 2.06 - worst passer Hart 1.83 (12) Rutgers 1.97 - best passer Marmen 2.04 - worst passer Kojadinovic 1.92 (13) Northwestern 1.91 - best passer Pitsas 1.99 - worst passer Cronister (14) Maryland 1.91 - best passer Rivas 2.11 - worst passer Rath 1.75 A few thoughts... Some of the best passing teams are going to take big ball control losses; Wisconsin lose their two top passers in Clark and Dodge (Barnes had a down year after a solid 2018). So do Illinois (Welsh and O'Brien) and PSU (White & Holcomb). Purdue is the exception - they return all 4 of their primary passers and had 3 players over 2.2 this year. Although Nebraska had their worst year passing in a long time, they keep all their passers and you'd expect the Fr to improve but need to figure out what happened to Sun; she passed a 2.14 in 2018 to 1.85 this year. That's the biggest fall in the conference this year. Others are fairly obvious. If anyone has any questions, feel free to tag. As a Penn State fan, I am excited to see how Parker develops as a passer her final two years. I think in order for PSU to be a true Natty contender in the next two years one of the OH will have to be an 2.1+ passer. We are still fairly young on the left pin but if Jonni can pass well when she is back row I think it'll open the offense a lot more and make her a more complete player. I couldn’t be a bigger J Parker fan, but her development as a defender has been disappointing. Way to athletic and competitive to not be a better defender.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 22:25:29 GMT -5
Thought some of this info was cool... Big Ten schools ranked from first to worst in terms of 2019 passing grades. Best primary passer and worst primary passer, with their respective grades are also listed. All stats are conference play only - to keep things more equitable. (1) Purdue 2.22 - best passer Hornung 2.28 - worst passer Otec 2.17 (2) Penn State 2.19 - best passer White 2.31 - worst passer Parker 1.84 (3) Wisconsin 2.17 - best passer (joint) Clark & Dodge 2.27 - worst passer Haggerty 2.01 (4) Illinois 2.12 - best passer Welsh 2.38 - worst passer Quade 2.00 (5) Ohio State 2.11 - best passer Murr 2.23 - worst passer Franklin 2.06 (6) Michigan 2.09 - best passer Smith 2.13 - worst passer Hamacher 1.94 (7) Iowa 2.08 - best passer Boyer 2.22 - worst passer Hughes 1.98 (t8) Nebraska 2.03 - best passer Kubik 2.13 - worst Sun 1.85 (t8) Michigan State 2.03 - best passer Gibbs 2.13 - worst passer Norris 2.03 (10) Indiana 1.99 - best passer Malloy 2.14 - worst passer Edwards 1.88 (11) Minnesota 1.98 - best passer Sheehan 2.06 - worst passer Hart 1.83 (12) Rutgers 1.97 - best passer Marmen 2.04 - worst passer Kojadinovic 1.92 (13) Northwestern 1.91 - best passer Pitsas 1.99 - worst passer Cronister (14) Maryland 1.91 - best passer Rivas 2.11 - worst passer Rath 1.75 A few thoughts... Some of the best passing teams are going to take big ball control losses; Wisconsin lose their two top passers in Clark and Dodge (Barnes had a down year after a solid 2018). So do Illinois (Welsh and O'Brien) and PSU (White & Holcomb). Purdue is the exception - they return all 4 of their primary passers and had 3 players over 2.2 this year. Although Nebraska had their worst year passing in a long time, they keep all their passers and you'd expect the Fr to improve but need to figure out what happened to Sun; she passed a 2.14 in 2018 to 1.85 this year. That's the biggest fall in the conference this year. Others are fairly obvious. If anyone has any questions, feel free to tag. As a Penn State fan, I am excited to see how Parker develops as a passer her final two years. I think in order for PSU to be a true Natty contender in the next two years one of the OH will have to be an 2.1+ passer. We are still fairly young on the left pin but if Jonni can pass well when she is back row I think it'll open the offense a lot more and make her a more complete player. I honestly don't know if she can get much better. She's been surrounded by good passers to this point in her career and has recorded 1.93 and 1.84. Obviously if she COULD get to 2.1-ish it'd be huge for PSU but it's a big ask - especially as the Lions lose their two best passers from this year. I know that RR has been trying to land a high level ball-control transfer, so we'll have to see if he can bring anyone in. I still think PSU will be a threat to anyone in the B10 even if Parker doesn't get much better as a passer (they just can't afford her to get much worse)!
|
|
|
Post by badgerbreath on Feb 18, 2020 22:50:31 GMT -5
Thought some of this info was cool... Big Ten schools ranked from first to worst in terms of 2019 passing grades. Best primary passer and worst primary passer, with their respective grades are also listed. All stats are conference play only - to keep things more equitable. (1) Purdue 2.22 - best passer Hornung 2.28 - worst passer Otec 2.17 (2) Penn State 2.19 - best passer White 2.31 - worst passer Parker 1.84 (3) Wisconsin 2.17 - best passer (joint) Clark & Dodge 2.27 - worst passer Haggerty 2.01 (4) Illinois 2.12 - best passer Welsh 2.38 - worst passer Quade 2.00 (5) Ohio State 2.11 - best passer Murr 2.23 - worst passer Franklin 2.06 (6) Michigan 2.09 - best passer Smith 2.13 - worst passer Hamacher 1.94 (7) Iowa 2.08 - best passer Boyer 2.22 - worst passer Hughes 1.98 (t8) Nebraska 2.03 - best passer Kubik 2.13 - worst Sun 1.85 (t8) Michigan State 2.03 - best passer Gibbs 2.13 - worst passer Norris 2.03 (10) Indiana 1.99 - best passer Malloy 2.14 - worst passer Edwards 1.88 (11) Minnesota 1.98 - best passer Sheehan 2.06 - worst passer Hart 1.83 (12) Rutgers 1.97 - best passer Marmen 2.04 - worst passer Kojadinovic 1.92 (13) Northwestern 1.91 - best passer Pitsas 1.99 - worst passer Cronister (14) Maryland 1.91 - best passer Rivas 2.11 - worst passer Rath 1.75 A few thoughts... Some of the best passing teams are going to take big ball control losses; Wisconsin lose their two top passers in Clark and Dodge (Barnes had a down year after a solid 2018). So do Illinois (Welsh and O'Brien) and PSU (White & Holcomb). Purdue is the exception - they return all 4 of their primary passers and had 3 players over 2.2 this year. Although Nebraska had their worst year passing in a long time, they keep all their passers and you'd expect the Fr to improve but need to figure out what happened to Sun; she passed a 2.14 in 2018 to 1.85 this year. That's the biggest fall in the conference this year. Others are fairly obvious. If anyone has any questions, feel free to tag. Several aspects of this ranking really surprised me. I knew Nebraska was not as good as in previous seasons, but didn't realize how much they had fallen off. I knew PSU depended heavily on White, but did not realize how much. Purdue and Illinois being so high is a bit suprising, but maybe not so much if you had to play them. I thought Otec and Welch had great years, but I thought Illinois was more consistent than Purdue. It would be interesting to see some measure of game to game variability. Also is it possible to measure serving effectiveness, by seeing how much a team caused other teams to pass above or below their average? The badgers will have some questions, but they are all really very much 50 50s. Barnes passed great last year, but less so this year. Is this down to the labrum injury? Will she recover from her surgery in time? Was it something about the roles she played this year? And what about Haggerty and Loberg, who did not pass that well this year after doing decently the previous season? What was that down to, an will they recover some form? There a lot of potential passers on the bench that we haven't really even seen. Dodge and especially Clark set a high bar, but I don't know what to expect. There are questions but also a lot of potential.
|
|
|
Post by mikevolley on Feb 19, 2020 0:45:05 GMT -5
As a Penn State fan, I am excited to see how Parker develops as a passer her final two years. I think in order for PSU to be a true Natty contender in the next two years one of the OH will have to be an 2.1+ passer. We are still fairly young on the left pin but if Jonni can pass well when she is back row I think it'll open the offense a lot more and make her a more complete player. I couldn’t be a bigger J Parker fan, but her development as a defender has been disappointing. Way to athletic and competitive to not be a better defender. You also have to consider that that hasn’t been her role on the team. She’s needed to score and being that she is somewhat undersized i think her offseason work was focused on making sure she had the right shots etc but i think with more focus on defense she could improve. So I’m looking forward to seeing what she does this offseason
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 0:47:28 GMT -5
Thought some of this info was cool... Big Ten schools ranked from first to worst in terms of 2019 passing grades. Best primary passer and worst primary passer, with their respective grades are also listed. All stats are conference play only - to keep things more equitable. (1) Purdue 2.22 - best passer Hornung 2.28 - worst passer Otec 2.17 (2) Penn State 2.19 - best passer White 2.31 - worst passer Parker 1.84 (3) Wisconsin 2.17 - best passer (joint) Clark & Dodge 2.27 - worst passer Haggerty 2.01 (4) Illinois 2.12 - best passer Welsh 2.38 - worst passer Quade 2.00 (5) Ohio State 2.11 - best passer Murr 2.23 - worst passer Franklin 2.06 (6) Michigan 2.09 - best passer Smith 2.13 - worst passer Hamacher 1.94 (7) Iowa 2.08 - best passer Boyer 2.22 - worst passer Hughes 1.98 (t8) Nebraska 2.03 - best passer Kubik 2.13 - worst Sun 1.85 (t8) Michigan State 2.03 - best passer Gibbs 2.13 - worst passer Norris 2.03 (10) Indiana 1.99 - best passer Malloy 2.14 - worst passer Edwards 1.88 (11) Minnesota 1.98 - best passer Sheehan 2.06 - worst passer Hart 1.83 (12) Rutgers 1.97 - best passer Marmen 2.04 - worst passer Kojadinovic 1.92 (13) Northwestern 1.91 - best passer Pitsas 1.99 - worst passer Cronister (14) Maryland 1.91 - best passer Rivas 2.11 - worst passer Rath 1.75 A few thoughts... Some of the best passing teams are going to take big ball control losses; Wisconsin lose their two top passers in Clark and Dodge (Barnes had a down year after a solid 2018). So do Illinois (Welsh and O'Brien) and PSU (White & Holcomb). Purdue is the exception - they return all 4 of their primary passers and had 3 players over 2.2 this year. Although Nebraska had their worst year passing in a long time, they keep all their passers and you'd expect the Fr to improve but need to figure out what happened to Sun; she passed a 2.14 in 2018 to 1.85 this year. That's the biggest fall in the conference this year. Others are fairly obvious. If anyone has any questions, feel free to tag. Several aspects of this ranking really surprised me. I knew Nebraska was not as good as in previous seasons, but didn't realize how much they had fallen off. I knew PSU depended heavily on White, but did not realize how much. Purdue and Illinois being so high is a bit suprising, but maybe not so much if you had to play them. I thought Otec and Welch had great years, but I thought Illinois was more consistent than Purdue. It would be interesting to see some measure of game to game variability. Also is it possible to measure serving effectiveness, by seeing how much a team caused other teams to pass above or below their average? The badgers will have some questions, but they are all really very much 50 50s. Barnes passed great last year, but less so this year. Is this down to the labrum injury? Will she recover from her surgery in time? Was it something about the roles she played this year? And what about Haggerty and Loberg, who did not pass that well this year after doing decently the previous season? What was that down to, an will they recover some form? There a lot of potential passers on the bench that we haven't really even seen. Dodge and especially Clark set a high bar, but I don't know what to expect. There are questions but also a lot of potential. First off - all good questions/observations, so happy to chat about all this stuff. You're spot on about Nebraska... As Husker fans know only too well (I've been haunting their thread for weeks) the drop off has been precipitous: 2.33 in both 2016 and 2017 (yes, 2.33 as a team - crazy), 2.19 in 2018 (Maloney and Foecke held them together) and then 2.03 on the season this year. Imo that number puts Hames' performance in perspective... It'll be very interesting to see how much Kubik and Knuckles improve in 2020 and if Sun can get back on track. Purdue are going to be at the top of the passing table next year or thereabouts, barring injuries. They have a strong unit that'll have another year of synergy together. Illinois had fantastic performances from Welch (best passing season in the B10 since JWO's snr season) and their Libero, Morgan OBrien, who passed a 2.28. Unfortunately both are graduating so it's hard to say where they'll be next year but it seems improvement is unlikely. PSU, likewise, lose White and Holcomb, but they at least have Hampton who passed a 2.20 on the year and will be the nucleus of their passing unit in 2020. In terms of serving; yes, VM records the good pass percentage against each serve. Since a 'good pass' is one that keeps a team in system, you can tell how tough a serve is by how often it forces opponents out of system. This is a far better metric for evaluating a serve than simply using aces and errors - since aces/errors make up a relatively small percentage of total serves. Take Jonni Parker, for instance; she's a good server but she only recorded 39 aces out of her 390 total serves this year. Exactly 10% of her serves. But that means 90% of her serves weren't aces, and we ought to be able to evaluate those too. Using the good pass percentage, I can see that opponents only had a good pass percentage of 43.1% against her (that's a low number - although ironically slightly higher than her own good pass percentage when serving) and her serve compares favorably with every other good servers like Lexi Sun and Grace Loberg. If anyone is interested, I can rank the B10 teams but how well they served in a separate list. For Wisconsin, Dodge was actually marginally better (2.28 to 2.23) on the season. I'd wager Barnes will be in that same range next year. The biggest question (which you identified) is whether or not Haggerty and Loberg can return to 2018 ball control form. They passed 2.14 and 2.19 last year respectively, compared to 1.95 and 2.09 this year. That's unusual, given that neither of them had to do as much passing as in 2018 and they were generally surrounded by strong passers. Like PSU and Nebraska, I know that Kelly Sheffield has already made efforts to bring in another passer via a transfer, so I wouldn't rule that out as an option. Either way, with all of the offensive talent joining the conference in 2020, being able to stay ahead in the serve & pass game will be vital and I am sure it'll be a focus for a group which is always well coached. For the record, between Barnes, Rettke and Ashburn, Wisconsin have three of the best servers in the conference - so that always helps!
|
|
|
Post by bruinsgold on Feb 19, 2020 11:26:54 GMT -5
@bigwestfan2 I would love those serving stats, specifically Purdue because I think that was a major player in their 2019 success. I can DM if no one requests the others' stats.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 11:50:14 GMT -5
A hawk-eyed VTer helpfully pointed out that a couple of the data points in the initial list were season-wide, as opposed to B10 only stats. No one was off by more than .03 and the list order didn't change but I have duly amended the errors (and showed the erroneous entries to make the corrections clear) for the sake of accuracy. @bigwestfan2 I would love those serving stats, specifically Purdue because I think that was a major player in their 2019 success. I can DM if no one requests the others' stats. Can do. I'll post later today if I get time.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 12:51:13 GMT -5
Several aspects of this ranking really surprised me. I knew Nebraska was not as good as in previous seasons, but didn't realize how much they had fallen off. I knew PSU depended heavily on White, but did not realize how much. Purdue and Illinois being so high is a bit suprising, but maybe not so much if you had to play them. I thought Otec and Welch had great years, but I thought Illinois was more consistent than Purdue. It would be interesting to see some measure of game to game variability. Also is it possible to measure serving effectiveness, by seeing how much a team caused other teams to pass above or below their average? The badgers will have some questions, but they are all really very much 50 50s. Barnes passed great last year, but less so this year. Is this down to the labrum injury? Will she recover from her surgery in time? Was it something about the roles she played this year? And what about Haggerty and Loberg, who did not pass that well this year after doing decently the previous season? What was that down to, an will they recover some form? There a lot of potential passers on the bench that we haven't really even seen. Dodge and especially Clark set a high bar, but I don't know what to expect. There are questions but also a lot of potential. First off - all good questions/observations, so happy to chat about all this stuff. You're spot on about Nebraska... As Husker fans know only too well (I've been haunting their thread for weeks) the drop off has been precipitous: 2.33 in both 2016 and 2017 (yes, 2.33 as a team - crazy), 2.19 in 2018 (Maloney and Foecke held them together) and then 2.03 on the season this year. Imo that number puts Hames' performance in perspective... It'll be very interesting to see how much Kubik and Knuckles improve in 2020 and if Sun can get back on track. Purdue are going to be at the top of the passing table next year or thereabouts, barring injuries. They have a strong unit that'll have another year of synergy together. Illinois had fantastic performances from Welch (best passing season in the B10 since JWO's snr season) and their Libero, Morgan OBrien, who passed a 2.28. Unfortunately both are graduating so it's hard to say where they'll be next year but it seems improvement is unlikely. PSU, likewise, lose White and Holcomb, but they at least have Hampton who passed a 2.20 on the year and will be the nucleus of their passing unit in 2020. In terms of serving; yes, VM records the good pass percentage against each serve. Since a 'good pass' is one that keeps a team in system, you can tell how tough a serve is by how often it forces opponents out of system. This is a far better metric for evaluating a serve than simply using aces and errors - since aces/errors make up a relatively small percentage of total serves. Take Jonni Parker, for instance; she's a good server but she only recorded 39 aces out of her 390 total serves this year. Exactly 10% of her serves. But that means 90% of her serves weren't aces, and we ought to be able to evaluate those too. Using the good pass percentage, I can see that opponents only had a good pass percentage of 43.1% against her (that's a low number - although ironically slightly higher than her own good pass percentage when serving) and her serve compares favorably with every other good servers like Lexi Sun and Grace Loberg. If anyone is interested, I can rank the B10 teams but how well they served in a separate list. For Wisconsin, Dodge was actually marginally better (2.28 to 2.23) on the season. I'd wager Barnes will be in that same range next year. The biggest question (which you identified) is whether or not Haggerty and Loberg can return to 2018 ball control form. They passed 2.14 and 2.19 last year respectively, compared to 1.95 and 2.09 this year. That's unusual, given that neither of them had to do as much passing as in 2018 and they were generally surrounded by strong passers. Like PSU and Nebraska, I know that Kelly Sheffield has already made efforts to bring in another passer via a transfer, so I wouldn't rule that out as an option. Either way, with all of the offensive talent joining the conference in 2020, being able to stay ahead in the serve & pass game will be vital and I am sure it'll be a focus for a group which is always well coached. For the record, between Barnes, Rettke and Ashburn, Wisconsin have three of the best passers in the conference - so that always helps! Couple of points of clarification. In the last sentence you say Barnes, Rettke and Ashburn are 3 of the best passers. I assume you mean servers. Earlier you had also identified Grace Loberg as a good server, but I would be surprised if she served more than 10 times last year. She was always subbed for Barnes, who always took serving duties.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 13:30:06 GMT -5
First off - all good questions/observations, so happy to chat about all this stuff. You're spot on about Nebraska... As Husker fans know only too well (I've been haunting their thread for weeks) the drop off has been precipitous: 2.33 in both 2016 and 2017 (yes, 2.33 as a team - crazy), 2.19 in 2018 (Maloney and Foecke held them together) and then 2.03 on the season this year. Imo that number puts Hames' performance in perspective... It'll be very interesting to see how much Kubik and Knuckles improve in 2020 and if Sun can get back on track. Purdue are going to be at the top of the passing table next year or thereabouts, barring injuries. They have a strong unit that'll have another year of synergy together. Illinois had fantastic performances from Welch (best passing season in the B10 since JWO's snr season) and their Libero, Morgan OBrien, who passed a 2.28. Unfortunately both are graduating so it's hard to say where they'll be next year but it seems improvement is unlikely. PSU, likewise, lose White and Holcomb, but they at least have Hampton who passed a 2.20 on the year and will be the nucleus of their passing unit in 2020. In terms of serving; yes, VM records the good pass percentage against each serve. Since a 'good pass' is one that keeps a team in system, you can tell how tough a serve is by how often it forces opponents out of system. This is a far better metric for evaluating a serve than simply using aces and errors - since aces/errors make up a relatively small percentage of total serves. Take Jonni Parker, for instance; she's a good server but she only recorded 39 aces out of her 390 total serves this year. Exactly 10% of her serves. But that means 90% of her serves weren't aces, and we ought to be able to evaluate those too. Using the good pass percentage, I can see that opponents only had a good pass percentage of 43.1% against her (that's a low number - although ironically slightly higher than her own good pass percentage when serving) and her serve compares favorably with every other good servers like Lexi Sun and Grace Loberg. If anyone is interested, I can rank the B10 teams but how well they served in a separate list. For Wisconsin, Dodge was actually marginally better (2.28 to 2.23) on the season. I'd wager Barnes will be in that same range next year. The biggest question (which you identified) is whether or not Haggerty and Loberg can return to 2018 ball control form. They passed 2.14 and 2.19 last year respectively, compared to 1.95 and 2.09 this year. That's unusual, given that neither of them had to do as much passing as in 2018 and they were generally surrounded by strong passers. Like PSU and Nebraska, I know that Kelly Sheffield has already made efforts to bring in another passer via a transfer, so I wouldn't rule that out as an option. Either way, with all of the offensive talent joining the conference in 2020, being able to stay ahead in the serve & pass game will be vital and I am sure it'll be a focus for a group which is always well coached. For the record, between Barnes, Rettke and Ashburn, Wisconsin have three of the best passers in the conference - so that always helps! Couple of points of clarification. In the last sentence you say Barnes, Rettke and Ashburn are 3 of the best passers. I assume you mean servers. Earlier you had also identified Grace Loberg as a good server, but I would be surprised if she served more than 10 times last year. She was always subbed for Barnes, who always took serving duties. Correct, meant servers. I'll edit that to avoid confusion. Also meant Haggerty (Loberg only served 9 times and isn't a good server) who served nearly 300 balls and is a decent server.
|
|
|
Post by northwoods on Feb 19, 2020 14:28:25 GMT -5
I would be interested in the serving analytics. Most stat lines just show Aces and Errors, which tells as much about a server as TD’s and Interceptions would say about a quarterback.
I’d be curious about errors/total serves, serve attempts per service rotation (to see who scores most on their serve), % of serves resulting in a poor pass and the like.
|
|
|
Post by redcard on Feb 19, 2020 15:01:47 GMT -5
**EDIT: A hawk-eyed VTer helpfully pointed out that a couple of the data points were season-wide, as opposed to B10 only stats. No one was off by more than .03 but I have duly corrected them for the sake of accuracy** Thought some of this info was cool... Big Ten schools ranked from first to worst in terms of 2019 passing grades. Best primary passer and worst primary passer, with their respective grades are also listed. All stats are conference play only - to keep things more equitable. (1) Purdue 2.22 - best passer Hornung 2.28 - worst passer Otec 2.17 (2) Penn State 2.19 2.20 - best passer White 2.31 - worst passer Parker 1.84 (3) Wisconsin 2.17 - best passer (joint) Clark & Dodge 2.27 - worst passer Haggerty 2.01 (4) Illinois 2.12 2.15 - best passer Welsh 2.38 - worst passer Quade 2.00 (5) Ohio State 2.11 - best passer Murr 2.23 - worst passer Franklin 2.06 (6) Michigan 2.09 - best passer Smith 2.13 - worst passer Hamacher 1.94 (7) Iowa 2.08 - best passer Boyer 2.22 - worst passer Hughes 1.98 (8) Nebraska 2.03 2.02 - best passer Kubik 2.13 - worst Sun 1.85 (t10) Michigan State 2.03 1.99 - best passer Gibbs 2.13 - worst passer Norris 2.03 (10) Indiana 1.99 - best passer Malloy 2.14 - worst passer Edwards 1.88 (11) Minnesota 1.98 - best passer Sheehan 2.06 - worst passer Hart 1.83 (12) Rutgers 1.97 - best passer Marmen 2.04 - worst passer Kojadinovic 1.92 (13) Northwestern 1.91 - best passer Pitsas 1.99 - worst passer Cronister 1.81 (14) Maryland 1.91 - best passer Rivas 2.11 - worst passer Rath 1.75 A few thoughts... Some of the best passing teams are going to take big ball control losses; Wisconsin lose their two top passers in Clark and Dodge (Barnes had a down year after a solid 2018). So do Illinois (Welsh and O'Brien) and PSU (White & Holcomb). Purdue is the exception - they return all 4 of their primary passers and had 3 players over 2.2 this year. Although Nebraska had their worst year passing in a long time, they keep all their passers and you'd expect the Fr to improve but need to figure out what happened to Sun; she passed a 2.14 in 2018 to 1.85 this year. That's the biggest fall in the conference this year. Others are fairly obvious. If anyone has any questions, feel free to tag. It’s got to be the Purdue magic passing bands they wear.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 21:13:37 GMT -5
Since a couple of people seemed interested, this is the B10 conference ranked by the quality of their serving. First this is conference play only - to keep things as fair as possible. In terms of the operative statistic, I'm using "opponents good pass percentage". As anyone who's ever heard Karch do a broadcast will know, "good pass percentage" is regularity with which a team performs passes that keep them in system (2+ on a 3 point scale). The good pass percentage is simply the % of the total passes that achieved that mark. So the goal when serving is to force your opponent into a bad pass, thereby getting them out of system. So for this metric, the lower the score, the tougher you are serving. I'm using this stat because it is solely driven by the serve itself (as opposed to % of points won on serve etc) and it is a composite stat including all serves, rather than simply noting errors and aces which - even for the best serving teams - usually account for less than 30% of the total serves.
Again, to be clear, the tougher the serve, the worse your opponents will pass against it, and so the lower their score! The player listed beside the school is their best server (minimum 200 serves) from 2019 with their individual 'opposing good pass percentage'. The list is as follows:
(1) Wisconsin: 41.2% - Rettke: 29%
(2) Illinois: 43.2% - Quade: 34.4%
(t3) Michigan: 45.3% - Pertofsky: 32.3%
(t3) Maryland: 45.3% - Myers: 31.7%
(5) Penn State: 46.1% - Gray: 36.8%
(6) Nebraska: 46.6% - Knuckles: 40.8%
(7) Michigan State: 48.6% - McLean 42.6%
(8) Rutgers: 48.8% - Marmen: 38%
(9) Indiana: 48.9% - Malloy: 42.3%
(10) Iowa: 49.9% - Buzzerio: 43.6%
(t11) Ohio State: 51.2% - Mauer: 42.1%
(t11) Purdue: 51.2% - Cleveland: 41.5%
(13) Minnesota: 52.6% - McGraw: 50.7%
(14) Northwestern: 54.8 - Cronister: 45.5%
A few thoughts - obviously taking the serve independently of the point itself only tells you the best serving teams. If you sort the team by the percentage of points won on serve you get a table that looks a lot like the final standings in the B10 (Maryland served well but still had one of the lowest win % on their serve in the conference) - but since we already know who won and who lost, I think this is an interesting look into how/why. From this post and the passing one, you can clearly see that Wisconsin dominates the serve and pass game. In terms of individual performances, Rettke is a phenom. Her hitting percentage didn't change much from 2018 to 2019, but both her serving and blocking efficiency got way better. Other teams that were good in both categories were PSU and Ohio State. Some teams passed well, but didn't serve tough (Purdue, Ohio State). Others were good in both categories (PSU, Michigan, Illinois) but have other areas for improvement. Minnesota is an interesting case, since they were poor in both categories but finished t-second in the conference. Even though their serving was pretty soft, they still had one of the best points won % in the conference, thanks to a good block and great transition hitting efficiency. Likewise, they passed poorly, but still had a good FBSO%, due to good second and third contacts. Just goes to show there's more than one way up the mountain. In terms of what it means for next year, I'd expect Wisconsin to again be towards the top of the serving stakes. Michigan, Nebraska and PSU will all pushing to close that gap. Like passing, Illinois loses a lot. Purdue ought to be putting in more work and, as for the Gophers, who the hell knows?! Maybe they'll just ignore the serve and pass game entirely and let Samedy, Landfair and Wenaas carry them to a conference title!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 21:32:56 GMT -5
Wow. I knew Rettke could really cause havoc with her serve. But, that is an amazing number. You answered a question I was wondering about from earlier. I know that on Wisconsin there are several good servers, with Rettke, Ashburn and Barnes. I had kind of figured Ashburn would have slightly better numbers because Rettke can seemingly go into streaks of high error serving. But, when she is on...man, can she bring it dirty.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 21:37:21 GMT -5
Wow. I knew Rettke could really cause havoc with her serve. But, that is an amazing number. You answered a question I was wondering about from earlier. I know that on Wisconsin there are several good servers, with Rettke, Ashburn and Barnes. I had kind of figured Ashburn would have slightly better numbers because Rettke can seemingly go into streaks of high error serving. But, when she is on...man, can she bring it dirty. Yeah. The craziest thing about her is that last year that number was almost 20% higher! That kind of improvement is incredible. Ashburn is still very good. In fact she'd have been the best server on any team from PSU down. But Rettke's improvement deserves some recognition.
|
|