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Post by eotexas5 on Apr 27, 2021 9:33:47 GMT -5
Completely agree. At one of my old jobs there was a running joke about me and retaliation, the union rep would get mad at me because I would always warn other employees when they were going to blow the whistle to beware of notorious retaliation. "That's illegal! They can't retaliate", he would say. I would respond with they can, will, and are effective at covering it up or masking it. Unfortunate, but true. Luckily I don't work there anymore, they're out of business now and have already lost one class-action lawsuit while another is pending! I always tell people that retaliation is illegal - but so is robbing banks. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean the employer/school/coach won't do it. Protect yourself. Document. Record if you can (and your state has one-party consent). If there is one thing I would teach kids in college, it's your last point. Companies, institutions, etc. tell you this farce that they're "here" for you, when they're always doing what's best for themselves. People need to start doing the same. It was a tough, tough lesson to learn but I'm glad I learned it while still relatively young.
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on Apr 27, 2021 9:56:56 GMT -5
It’s because you can’t just start accusing people without proof. Their is a way our justice system is suppose to work. People want to see actual evidence. We are convicting people with mob justice right now. I’m not saying this person is or isn’t guilty. It’s a very serious charge and the responsible thing to do is gather as much evidence as you can before completely destroying peoples lives. Their is 0 wrong with asking a lot of questions. It’s the responsible thing to do before making a judgement Racists know they can’t be outwardly racist without repercussions now. So they just defend other racists on the internet. Never even thought of this but you're so right
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Post by wingspam on Apr 27, 2021 10:58:08 GMT -5
What bothers me about the above posting is this is the EXACT REASON many athletes and people of color don't speak up along with of course the potential retaliation discussed about on prior pages. There was clearly something going on at Mizzou, everyone knew. Now we have people coming on here and while they aren't explicitly saying these things are false, they are hinting at potentially discrediting or adding skepticism into any allegations of discrimination because 'racism' is now a trend in their eyes. It's inappropriate especially in a scenario where there's a terrible smell coming from a program whose original hiring scenario was already fishy. It’s because you can’t just start accusing people without proof. Their is a way our justice system is suppose to work. People want to see actual evidence. We are convicting people with mob justice right now. I’m not saying this person is or isn’t guilty. It’s a very serious charge and the responsible thing to do is gather as much evidence as you can before completely destroying peoples lives. Their is 0 wrong with asking a lot of questions. It’s the responsible thing to do before making a judgement This (like almost everything else in the last 24 hours on this thread) has very little to do with transfers, but I feel it important to share a little bit of what I know about the subject of proving discrimination in this country. Our "justice system" is structured to function differently with discrimination than you might otherwise expect. In the 1960s, anti-discrimination laws were passed that forbid discrimination (based on sex, race, national origin, etc.) in a variety of contexts (employment, public accommodation, etc.). These laws also created a right to sue people or businesses who violated those statutes by engaging in discrimination. Early efforts to "prove" discrimination in these lawsuits proved difficult because the initial effect of the laws was not to stop discrimination but rather to cause individuals who were engaged in discrimination to stop being overt about it. That is, employers stopped saying "I am going to fire you because of your race" but they kept firing people because of their race. Absent the proverbial "smoking-gun" evidence, victims of discrimination were not successful in using the new laws to vindicate their rights. So, discrimination persisted and discriminators were insulated by the burden of proof on the victims. This issue worked its way up to the U.S. Supreme Court, which issued a landmark case in the early 1970s (McDonnell Douglas v. Green) that held that victims of discrimination ARE NOT held to an exacting burden of proof that requires them to present direct ("smoking-gun") evidence of discrimination. Instead, the burden of proof is far more nuanced and plaintiffs can either use direct evidence (e.g., "I am firing you because of your race") or indirect (often called "circumstantial") evidence. Under the indirect method, victims of discrimination first present evidence that creates the "inference" of discrimination, which shifts the burden to the alleged discriminators to explain their decisions and prove they did not discriminate. If they are able to provide a legitimate, non-discriminatory explanation, then the burden shifts back to the victim of discrimination to prove that the legitimate reason given by the alleged discriminator is actually a pretext for unlawful discrimination. By way of example, Green (who was black) had to initially prove that he was a member of a protected class (in his case race), that he was qualified for the job (a low burden), that he was discharged, and that the circumstances of his discharge give rise to an inference of discrimination (most often satisfied by showing a person of a different race was hired to replace the discharged employee). Then the burden shifts to Green's employer to provide a legitimate, non-discriminatory reason for the discharge (e.g., poor performance, attendance issues, etc.). Then the burden shifts back to Green to prove the stated reason is a pretext for discrimination (e.g., by proving the reason is not factually correct, by showing that white employees with similar performance issues were not treated the same way, or by showing that the decisionmakers had otherwise demonstrated racial animus by discriminating against other employees or making racially disparaging comments). All of this explanation is to arrive at a simple point: Racist, sexist, or ageist people are sometimes savvy enough to discriminate in ways that are not obviously racist, sexist, or ageist, and (since the 1970s!) our courts have acknowledged that it is not just to hold the victims of discrimination to an exacting burden of proof that permits the bad actors to continue discriminating in silence, even as their victims bravely break the silence regarding their mistreatment. In our civil justice system, silence by the alleged discriminator in the face of circumstantial evidence of discrimination is proof of discrimination. A final note: All of this describes civil lawsuits, not criminal trials where the burden of proof lays out differently.
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Post by saywhatnow on Apr 27, 2021 11:00:38 GMT -5
Doing my part to move this conversation along...who will be the best get of "free agency" transfer season? what team will make the best move? Lastly, are there any teams that don't go hunting in the portal because their team is LOADED.
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Apr 27, 2021 11:15:48 GMT -5
Girl have some self respect I’ve tried, but sometimes the thirst IS real 😩
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Post by Boof1224 on Apr 27, 2021 11:30:41 GMT -5
It’s because you can’t just start accusing people without proof. Their is a way our justice system is suppose to work. People want to see actual evidence. We are convicting people with mob justice right now. I’m not saying this person is or isn’t guilty. It’s a very serious charge and the responsible thing to do is gather as much evidence as you can before completely destroying peoples lives. Their is 0 wrong with asking a lot of questions. It’s the responsible thing to do before making a judgement Racists know they can’t be outwardly racist without repercussions now. So they just defend other racists on the internet. Here we go. The cult that doesn’t realize they are a cult. Cant leave the racist comments alone. If it’s racist because someone is defended that dares to want more Info before labeling someone a racist which is right thing to do on a charge like that then our country is in serious trouble. Couldn’t just let this be about volleyball. Had to refer to the racist thing again. I’m sorry but I won’t just let stuff like that go.
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Post by rainbowsets on Apr 27, 2021 12:01:15 GMT -5
Doing my part to move this conversation along...who will be the best get of "free agency" transfer season? what team will make the best move? Lastly, are there any teams that don't go hunting in the portal because their team is LOADED. helping move this conversation along by responding to you - hopefully we just can have more people respond and mute the nonsense. did diouf land somewhere? i hadn't seen it if so. also, washington and texas pretty much have their final four team back so i don't think they really need transfers. washington does need a proper libero though.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 27, 2021 12:09:03 GMT -5
I saw similar errors on Molly’s page Well somone at MO reads this as it's now changed. There was a rant from a brand new 1st-account with similar extreme beliefs alleged to be held and expressed by Josh Taylor. Certainly could be. Also, his social media is gone after it was reported on here he had some questionable at best posts. Safe to say at the very least someone is relaying information.
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Post by vbstan123 on Apr 27, 2021 12:12:06 GMT -5
Doing my part to move this conversation along...who will be the best get of "free agency" transfer season? what team will make the best move? Lastly, are there any teams that don't go hunting in the portal because their team is LOADED. helping move this conversation along by responding to you - hopefully we just can have more people respond and mute the nonsense. did diouf land somewhere? i hadn't seen it if so. also, washington and texas pretty much have their final four team back so i don't think they really need transfers. washington does need a proper libero though. Agreed about the libero part. Will be interesting to see if Cook sticks with Crenshaw, turns to Bays, or looks for a transfer.
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Post by Sooners1822 on Apr 27, 2021 12:15:53 GMT -5
helping move this conversation along by responding to you - hopefully we just can have more people respond and mute the nonsense. did diouf land somewhere? i hadn't seen it if so. also, washington and texas pretty much have their final four team back so i don't think they really need transfers. washington does need a proper libero though. Agreed about the libero part. Will be interesting to see if Cook sticks with Crenshaw, turns to Bays, or looks for a transfer. Bays is very good, I believe she is a 4 year starter type. UW would be the team of the final four teams that I would think should still be keeping an eye out for transfers. Believe they could still upgrade at pin if the right person came along.
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Post by saywhatnow on Apr 27, 2021 12:26:41 GMT -5
Doing my part to move this conversation along...who will be the best get of "free agency" transfer season? what team will make the best move? Lastly, are there any teams that don't go hunting in the portal because their team is LOADED. helping move this conversation along by responding to you - hopefully we just can have more people respond and mute the nonsense. did diouf land somewhere? i hadn't seen it if so. also, washington and texas pretty much have their final four team back so i don't think they really need transfers. washington does need a proper libero though. Agree about Washington and Texas, although some would like an upgrade for Gabriel. I can't wait to see where Diouf lands.
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Post by udubhuskiefan on Apr 27, 2021 12:27:24 GMT -5
Agreed about the libero part. Will be interesting to see if Cook sticks with Crenshaw, turns to Bays, or looks for a transfer. Bays is very good, I believe she is a 4 year starter type. UW would be the team of the final four teams that I would think should still be keeping an eye out for transfers. Believe they could still upgrade at pin if the right person came along. What pin? Claire and dreschsel are All Americans. And Maddie really came on In the tourney, which bodes well for her progress.
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Post by Sooners1822 on Apr 27, 2021 12:51:31 GMT -5
Bays is very good, I believe she is a 4 year starter type. UW would be the team of the final four teams that I would think should still be keeping an eye out for transfers. Believe they could still upgrade at pin if the right person came along. What pin? Claire and dreschsel are All Americans. And Maddie really came on In the tourney, which bodes well for her progress. Yes they are AA's and good players for sure. I'm simply saying it is most realistic for UW to find a pin in the portal who would upgrade them. In the tourney ... Endsley hit .221 Dreschel .181 and Hoffman .205
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 27, 2021 12:54:50 GMT -5
Huskies have Audra Wilmes coming in. I could see her beating out Endsley.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2021 12:56:07 GMT -5
Racists know they can’t be outwardly racist without repercussions now. So they just defend other racists on the internet. Here we go. The cult that doesn’t realize they are a cult. Cant leave the racist comments alone. If it’s racist because someone is defended that dares to want more Info before labeling someone a racist which is right thing to do on a charge like that then our country is in serious trouble. Couldn’t just let this be about volleyball. Had to refer to the racist thing again. I’m sorry but I won’t just let stuff like that go. And now you’re acting like you’re not the one who started this whole mess. Log off.
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