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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 27, 2019 15:43:40 GMT -5
why are you guys arguing about a guy's religious beliefs on VT? There's another part of this website for that called Off the Net where you can carry on and on about politics and religion. Can a MOD please move this to where it belongs? If you go to "Off The Net" you will see a big injunction to *not* talk about either politics or religion. So this definitely does not belong there.
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Post by Mocha on Dec 27, 2019 16:21:50 GMT -5
It's obviously the off-season.
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Post by eazy on Dec 27, 2019 16:31:24 GMT -5
My favorite thing about religion and the church is the architecture of cathedrals, mosques, synagogues, etc. -- the various houses of worship. I just love the absolute silence and serenity you get when you step inside. It's one of the few things that made me tolerate going to catholic school in middle-junior high. What about early/late junior high? The crust of your junior high, if you will.
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Post by Not Me on Dec 27, 2019 16:52:27 GMT -5
It’s not like the students who go to this school don’t expect to be preached too.
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 27, 2019 16:59:01 GMT -5
My favorite thing about religion and the church is the architecture of cathedrals, mosques, synagogues, etc. -- the various houses of worship. I just love the absolute silence and serenity you get when you step inside. It's one of the few things that made me tolerate going to catholic school in middle-junior high. What about early/late junior high? The crust of your junior high, if you will. When I said "middle-junior high," I meant middle school to junior high school. Also, various Catholic schools, not just one. After junior high, different school, different state. Military brat.
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Post by holidayhusker on Dec 27, 2019 17:00:30 GMT -5
It’s not like the students who go to this school don’t expect to be preached too. Thank God, we need one university in this country that doesn’t require safe places
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Dec 27, 2019 17:03:25 GMT -5
Yes really. I think there is a good chance that he would have said "serve his wife" if he were talking about the husband. That's how good marriages work, by serving each other. REALLY? When did you EVER hear that said to a male athlete on Senior Night? "Serve (obey) your wife"? Not once. NEVER. You’re right. Never. That fact isn’t inconsistent with anything I wrote.
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 27, 2019 18:20:25 GMT -5
Several posters, who know Ryan personally, have said this is not far fetched when it comes to his religious beliefs, so once can make that connection. If he indeed did not say it, I would be the first to take back everything I said, however, I know if he did indeed say it, you would not take away your "defense" for him, no matter what he said. That is my point. This is a religious discussion. You are all discussing whether you like a particular aspect of the coach's religion, while coaching at a religious school. What is the matter with you all? If you want to talk about not liking a person's religion, why do you do it on VT?
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Post by InTheKnow on Dec 27, 2019 18:22:58 GMT -5
This might be the same person at the HoF lunch I told to get lost. They were rambling on and on about how the AVCA let this guy go up there and proselytize amongst other things. He started on other coaches and other people of faith in general and I wasn't having it. Being the heathen I am, I wasn't bashful about letting this guy know his intolerance was not welcome. I knew he was making a few of our tablemates uncomfortable so I asked him to leave and he found another table to bother. Look it's Baylor, I fully expected McGuyre to go that route with his speech. If this is the same person, I hope they never find a college coaching job because we don't need more ignorant and intolerant loudmouths in our ranks. Who is it?? Sounds like a destructive @@shole. Talk about a clueless take on serving. Anyone in a successful marriage knows that serving one another is the framework to a good marriage. It’s also the center part of a Christian marriage. It’s a shame when ignorant people speak with such hateful authority. And to personally attack someone is ridiculous. Ryan is a good man. It’s something how hate seems to attack good but it’s always been that way. Keep leading and serving the way you have been Ryan.
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Post by baytree on Dec 27, 2019 18:29:51 GMT -5
This might be the same person at the HoF lunch I told to get lost. They were rambling on and on about how the AVCA let this guy go up there and proselytize amongst other things. He started on other coaches and other people of faith in general and I wasn't having it. Being the heathen I am, I wasn't bashful about letting this guy know his intolerance was not welcome. I knew he was making a few of our tablemates uncomfortable so I asked him to leave and he found another table to bother. Look it's Baylor, I fully expected McGuyre to go that route with his speech. If this is the same person, I hope they never find a college coaching job because we don't need more ignorant and intolerant loudmouths in our ranks. Who is it?? Sounds like a destructive @@shole. Talk about a clueless take on serving. Anyone in a successful marriage knows that serving one another is the framework to a good marriage. It’s also the center part of a Christian marriage. It’s a shame when ignorant people speak with such hateful authority. And to personally attack someone is ridiculous. Ryan is a good man. It’s something how hate seems to attack good but it’s always been that way. Keep leading and serving the way you have been Ryan. If you want to discuss the framework of serving your husband, here it is:
"22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."
It's not an equal type of serving. Wives are to submit, husbands are to give of themselves to their wives in order to cleanse them. Baptists take this literally. Not all Christians do (most don't) but Baptists believe that everything in the Bible is literally true and that they should be evangelists for this POV.
I don't think VT is the place to discuss this. I vehemently disagree with this framework but if ppl go to Baylor, knowing that this is what they preach, I don't think I should tell them not to practice their faith.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 27, 2019 18:51:47 GMT -5
This might be the same person at the HoF lunch I told to get lost. They were rambling on and on about how the AVCA let this guy go up there and proselytize amongst other things. He started on other coaches and other people of faith in general and I wasn't having it. Being the heathen I am, I wasn't bashful about letting this guy know his intolerance was not welcome. I knew he was making a few of our tablemates uncomfortable so I asked him to leave and he found another table to bother. Look it's Baylor, I fully expected McGuyre to go that route with his speech. If this is the same person, I hope they never find a college coaching job because we don't need more ignorant and intolerant loudmouths in our ranks. Who is it?? Sounds like a destructive @@shole. Talk about a clueless take on serving. Anyone in a successful marriage knows that serving one another is the framework to a good marriage. It’s also the center part of a Christian marriage. It’s a shame when ignorant people speak with such hateful authority. And to personally attack someone is ridiculous. Ryan is a good man. It’s something how hate seems to attack good but it’s always been that way. Keep leading and serving the way you have been Ryan. I have zero doubt he is a great person, and I respect his faith. Having said that, the Bible does not have men and women in equal footing, far from it. That isn’t debatable. Loving and respecting someone which is the mans role, is different than serving and submitting. Of course many people interpret the Bible in many different ways, but this is what it says, and what many believe. It doesn’t bother me, or offend me, but it would be harder for me to disagree with this doctrine more than I do.
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Post by jayj79 on Dec 27, 2019 19:56:17 GMT -5
I've heard a lot of male coaches talk about the importance of their student athletes becoming good husbands and fathers. The bible often uses the term "serve". When did service become a bad thing? If you serve as a volunteer at a homeless shelter, is that a bad thing? Serving shows love and appreciation. It doesn't mean you're weak. Is serving your family by providing financial security a bad thing? Would a male who keeps the house up and takes care of the kids considered less if that's the way he serves his family. Relationships are about serving each other. Nothing demoralizing or negative about it. The context of servitude does not have a rosy history in religion or this country. should members of the military get offended when someone says something along the lines of "thank you for your service"? I think Meatloaf said it best: "There's a party raging somewhere in the world You gotta serve your country, gotta service your girl You're all enlisted in the armies of the night"
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Post by staticb on Dec 27, 2019 19:58:15 GMT -5
I wonder how this effects Baylor’s recruiting. Other Baylor coaches seem to downplay Baylor’s religious aspects. But McGuyre embraces it.
Volleyball has been mostly a socially liberal sport for awhile but as the game grows it grows into conservative areas as well. Maybe there’s a market for evangelical conservatives who wouldn’t feel comfortable (or their parents wouldn’t feel comfortable) with them going to Stanford or UCLA.
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Post by bmg3 on Dec 27, 2019 20:03:36 GMT -5
Baylor isn’t southern baptist and is solely aligned with the BGCT because the Southern Baptist were too conservative. Further, Baylor’s seminary (Truett) was started because Southwestern was too conservative.
So, this notion that Baylor strictly adheres to biblical inerrancy is factually incorrect and clearly demonstrates a lack of knowledge of the university or its principals.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 27, 2019 20:24:45 GMT -5
The context of servitude does not have a rosy history in religion or this country. should members of the military get offended when someone says something along the lines of "thank you for your service"? I think Meatloaf said it best: "There's a party raging somewhere in the world You gotta serve your country, gotta service your girl You're all enlisted in the armies of the night" When meatloaf is quoted it’s time to close a thread
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