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Post by volleyballjim on Jan 13, 2020 14:23:09 GMT -5
OK, maybe not required, but can SOMEONE explain why a pro (lets not go THERE, in defining) would NOT have their name on, actually, EVERYTHING they own so fans can follow them (even in a qualifier)? Help us out guys (and yourself) to market you players as well as possible, especially on such a cost effective plane as "embroidery". Talk to Matsa or someone and they'll hook you up with a good one (embroiderer), but PLEASE, don't walk around an AVP venue with the SAME SHORTS I WEAR (sans name), well, without the elastic waistband!
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Post by johnbar on Jan 13, 2020 16:18:22 GMT -5
Sure would help during qualifiers when I'm trying to figure out who's who on the court.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jan 14, 2020 9:48:37 GMT -5
I'm going to give this idea away for free.
Don't know why someone doesn't set up a heat press on Wed night and do peoples shorts on site.
AVP should have a both for this.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 14, 2020 10:44:05 GMT -5
I have been saying this for a couple years now, why would these guys not capitalize on their endorsements or an opportunity to market themselves beyond the poor job AVP does or their Instagram?
I feel like Casey tried to make subtle jokes about being covered in sponsors before other people could last year, but that is exactly the issue, why would anyone think it is funny he was covered in logos? In my opinion he is the smartest guy on tour for how he has approached sponsorship representation and more guys should be doing that.
All these athletes that have apparel sponsors should be working with them to market whatever hot product they are pushing now and blast their name across the back of the leg or the butt, or if the girls don't want everyone staring at their butts to read the name then have their sponsor make a tattoo or something that has their last name large they can put on be back of their thigh with the sponsor logo next to it.
Someone else in previous posts mentioned that these athletes should have required uniforms that the AVP could then market as well and sell in store, wear the the pros wear type of thing, however everyone has different body types and feel comfortable in different types of apparel.
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Post by Semp12 on Jan 14, 2020 12:15:07 GMT -5
I thought there was a time, could have been years ago at this point, that the AVP store did press names on purchases if interested in that up-charge.
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Post by luvmychiceraffe on Jan 14, 2020 17:05:40 GMT -5
I have been saying this for a couple years now, why would these guys not capitalize on their endorsements or an opportunity to market themselves beyond the poor job AVP does or their Instagram? I feel like Casey tried to make subtle jokes about being covered in sponsors before other people could last year, but that is exactly the issue, why would anyone think it is funny he was covered in logos? In my opinion he is the smartest guy on tour for how he has approached sponsorship representation and more guys should be doing that. All these athletes that have apparel sponsors should be working with them to market whatever hot product they are pushing now and blast their name across the back of the leg or the butt, or if the girls don't want everyone staring at their butts to read the name then have their sponsor make a tattoo or something that has their last name large they can put on be back of their thigh with the sponsor logo next to it. Someone else in previous posts mentioned that these athletes should have required uniforms that the AVP could then market as well and sell in store, wear the the pros wear type of thing, however everyone has different body types and feel comfortable in different types of apparel. Let me preface this with a disclaimer that I'm speaking specifically about sponsorship derived strictly from a business relationship and not from personal connections previous to the business relationship. I think for most of the players it comes about as a ROI question. With limited research done it's about $5 per pair of shorts to get your name vinyl heat pressed (the cheapest option). And another $5-10 for each logo you'd want put on also. I think most players go through 1 pair of shorts per tournament day, but lots alternate matches between 2 pairs of shorts. If you're paying $40-100 for a pair of boardies to play in then $5 to put your name on them is less than sales tax in most cases. So economically it's a very very small investment for some marketing. Ultimately though, if you're a qualifier player that has to pay for flights, hotels and tournament fees and at least half the time don't see any money on the back end, it's adding another expense to a "business" that's already heavily upside-down. And as far as I've heard even those bottom to mid level main draw players are only getting discounted product from sponsors. So I don't see sponsors willing to pay out to a qualifier player. I started this post assuming it was not a good ROI for the players, but as I was doing the math and research to prove that point I was convinced that they should all probably do it assuming you can get your name on shorts for $5 reliably. |
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Post by volleyballjim on Jan 15, 2020 3:25:31 GMT -5
I have been saying this for a couple years now, why would these guys not capitalize on their endorsements or an opportunity to market themselves beyond the poor job AVP does or their Instagram? I feel like Casey tried to make subtle jokes about being covered in sponsors before other people could last year, but that is exactly the issue, why would anyone think it is funny he was covered in logos? In my opinion he is the smartest guy on tour for how he has approached sponsorship representation and more guys should be doing that. All these athletes that have apparel sponsors should be working with them to market whatever hot product they are pushing now and blast their name across the back of the leg or the butt, or if the girls don't want everyone staring at their butts to read the name then have their sponsor make a tattoo or something that has their last name large they can put on be back of their thigh with the sponsor logo next to it. Someone else in previous posts mentioned that these athletes should have required uniforms that the AVP could then market as well and sell in store, wear the the pros wear type of thing, however everyone has different body types and feel comfortable in different types of apparel. Let me preface this with a disclaimer that I'm speaking specifically about sponsorship derived strictly from a business relationship and not from personal connections previous to the business relationship. I think for most of the players it comes about as a ROI question. With limited research done it's about $5 per pair of shorts to get your name vinyl heat pressed (the cheapest option). And another $5-10 for each logo you'd want put on also. I think most players go through 1 pair of shorts per tournament day, but lots alternate matches between 2 pairs of shorts. If you're paying $40-100 for a pair of boardies to play in then $5 to put your name on them is less than sales tax in most cases. So economically it's a very very small investment for some marketing. Ultimately though, if you're a qualifier player that has to pay for flights, hotels and tournament fees and at least half the time don't see any money on the back end, it's adding another expense to a "business" that's already heavily upside-down. And as far as I've heard even those bottom to mid level main draw players are only getting discounted product from sponsors. So I don't see sponsors willing to pay out to a qualifier player. I started this post assuming it was not a good ROI for the players, but as I was doing the math and research to prove that point I was convinced that they should all probably do it assuming you can get your name on shorts for $5 reliably. I'd sponsor anyone for a tourney for $5, but I will never forget hearing a Main Draw player, years back, BRAGGING, about how he had worn the same shorts the entire season (or longer, I can't recall the details). I was like, "and THATS you claim to fame"? I don't get it . . . $5 to generate, possibly, $1,500 in sponsorship (should someone see, like and follow-up to sponsor)? |
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Post by guest2 on Jan 15, 2020 6:42:29 GMT -5
I have been saying this for a couple years now, why would these guys not capitalize on their endorsements or an opportunity to market themselves beyond the poor job AVP does or their Instagram? I feel like Casey tried to make subtle jokes about being covered in sponsors before other people could last year, but that is exactly the issue, why would anyone think it is funny he was covered in logos? In my opinion he is the smartest guy on tour for how he has approached sponsorship representation and more guys should be doing that. All these athletes that have apparel sponsors should be working with them to market whatever hot product they are pushing now and blast their name across the back of the leg or the butt, or if the girls don't want everyone staring at their butts to read the name then have their sponsor make a tattoo or something that has their last name large they can put on be back of their thigh with the sponsor logo next to it. Someone else in previous posts mentioned that these athletes should have required uniforms that the AVP could then market as well and sell in store, wear the the pros wear type of thing, however everyone has different body types and feel comfortable in different types of apparel. Let me preface this with a disclaimer that I'm speaking specifically about sponsorship derived strictly from a business relationship and not from personal connections previous to the business relationship. I think for most of the players it comes about as a ROI question. With limited research done it's about $5 per pair of shorts to get your name vinyl heat pressed (the cheapest option). And another $5-10 for each logo you'd want put on also. I think most players go through 1 pair of shorts per tournament day, but lots alternate matches between 2 pairs of shorts. If you're paying $40-100 for a pair of boardies to play in then $5 to put your name on them is less than sales tax in most cases. So economically it's a very very small investment for some marketing. Ultimately though, if you're a qualifier player that has to pay for flights, hotels and tournament fees and at least half the time don't see any money on the back end, it's adding another expense to a "business" that's already heavily upside-down. And as far as I've heard even those bottom to mid level main draw players are only getting discounted product from sponsors. So I don't see sponsors willing to pay out to a qualifier player. I started this post assuming it was not a good ROI for the players, but as I was doing the math and research to prove that point I was convinced that they should all probably do it assuming you can get your name on shorts for $5 reliably. I think one factor not considered here is how much it benefits players to show their sponsors they will do more than the minimum. Maybe its old fashioned and these days the sponsorships arent as valuable to companies, but if I were a sponsor and found out that a player saved 5$ by not ironing on his name -and thus diminishing the value of that player wearing whatever brand - that would be the last time I worked with that player. Its funny the old time players often presented as prima donnas but constantly put themselves out for sponsors. I wonder how much these new guys do that. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 15, 2020 9:08:53 GMT -5
I have been saying this for a couple years now, why would these guys not capitalize on their endorsements or an opportunity to market themselves beyond the poor job AVP does or their Instagram? I feel like Casey tried to make subtle jokes about being covered in sponsors before other people could last year, but that is exactly the issue, why would anyone think it is funny he was covered in logos? In my opinion he is the smartest guy on tour for how he has approached sponsorship representation and more guys should be doing that. All these athletes that have apparel sponsors should be working with them to market whatever hot product they are pushing now and blast their name across the back of the leg or the butt, or if the girls don't want everyone staring at their butts to read the name then have their sponsor make a tattoo or something that has their last name large they can put on be back of their thigh with the sponsor logo next to it. Someone else in previous posts mentioned that these athletes should have required uniforms that the AVP could then market as well and sell in store, wear the the pros wear type of thing, however everyone has different body types and feel comfortable in different types of apparel. Let me preface this with a disclaimer that I'm speaking specifically about sponsorship derived strictly from a business relationship and not from personal connections previous to the business relationship. I think for most of the players it comes about as a ROI question. With limited research done it's about $5 per pair of shorts to get your name vinyl heat pressed (the cheapest option). And another $5-10 for each logo you'd want put on also. I think most players go through 1 pair of shorts per tournament day, but lots alternate matches between 2 pairs of shorts. If you're paying $40-100 for a pair of boardies to play in then $5 to put your name on them is less than sales tax in most cases. So economically it's a very very small investment for some marketing. Ultimately though, if you're a qualifier player that has to pay for flights, hotels and tournament fees and at least half the time don't see any money on the back end, it's adding another expense to a "business" that's already heavily upside-down. And as far as I've heard even those bottom to mid level main draw players are only getting discounted product from sponsors. So I don't see sponsors willing to pay out to a qualifier player. I started this post assuming it was not a good ROI for the players, but as I was doing the math and research to prove that point I was convinced that they should all probably do it assuming you can get your name on shorts for $5 reliably. Kind of a roller coaster post you got here, but you are telling me if an apparel company is sponsoring you already they wouldn't cough up another $10 or so to have your name printed on there? If you already have an apparel company, or don't, while having other sponsors I don't think it is out of their means to give screen printing money as well. Any time you get a photo tagged by Ed or Michael on Instagram you can simply put a link in bio or highlight tag it for the specific piece you are wearing if it is clothes or accessories and perhaps these athletes negotiate commission into the sponsorship if a sale is made through the link/tag. Also, I wasn't really speaking to Q players but more as a requirement for if you are playing in the main draw. These guys need to do a better job marketing themselves and their sponsors, it is pretty clear the AVP has much bigger aspirations on maintaining the league and *trying* to grow it to focus on player promotion other than some of the top people they probably have show up deals with. |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 15, 2020 9:32:57 GMT -5
Let me preface this with a disclaimer that I'm speaking specifically about sponsorship derived strictly from a business relationship and not from personal connections previous to the business relationship. I think for most of the players it comes about as a ROI question. With limited research done it's about $5 per pair of shorts to get your name vinyl heat pressed (the cheapest option). And another $5-10 for each logo you'd want put on also. I think most players go through 1 pair of shorts per tournament day, but lots alternate matches between 2 pairs of shorts. If you're paying $40-100 for a pair of boardies to play in then $5 to put your name on them is less than sales tax in most cases. So economically it's a very very small investment for some marketing. Ultimately though, if you're a qualifier player that has to pay for flights, hotels and tournament fees and at least half the time don't see any money on the back end, it's adding another expense to a "business" that's already heavily upside-down. And as far as I've heard even those bottom to mid level main draw players are only getting discounted product from sponsors. So I don't see sponsors willing to pay out to a qualifier player. I started this post assuming it was not a good ROI for the players, but as I was doing the math and research to prove that point I was convinced that they should all probably do it assuming you can get your name on shorts for $5 reliably. I think one factor not considered here is how much it benefits players to show their sponsors they will do more than the minimum. Maybe its old fashioned and these days the sponsorships arent as valuable to companies, but if I were a sponsor and found out that a player saved 5$ by not ironing on his name -and thus diminishing the value of that player wearing whatever brand - that would be the last time I worked with that player. Its funny the old time players often presented as prima donnas but constantly put themselves out for sponsors. I wonder how much these new guys do that. I am sure some meet and greets are nice but honestly look at the follower counts for some of these top tour players, all they have to do is tag a sponsor, do an #ad post, or an insta live with them unboxing new merch and they could probably generate some sales or followers for the specific companies. Here are the amount of Insta followers they have, every single one of them can do paid posts because they have more than 700 engaged followers, 17/20 can do swipe ups because they have more than 10k followers, and only April Ross can do bigger money sponsored posts being over 100k. Top 10 Men In Points; Dlahausser - 48.3k Lucena - 14.5k Gibb - 25.7k Ta. Crabb - 35.6k Patterson - 47.4k Budinger - 9.4k Tr. Crabb - 14.8k Casebeer - 16.3k Schalk - 5.3k Priddy - 18.6 Top 10 Womans In Points; Klineman - 43.1k Ross - 151k Paredes - 24.8k Paven - 22k Flint - 11.2 (easily best logo) Day - 12.4k Hughes - 36.4k Claes - 9.5k Sponcil - 18.9k Wilkerson - 20.8k Instagram is about a zillion times easier to gain followers on than Twitter and I am not sure if some of these athletes don't know how to monetize max potential on IG, or do they just not care and complacent with what they have. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 9:50:56 GMT -5
no one is taking into account how much %*$# you’ll get for having your name on your shorts while being in the qualifier
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 15, 2020 9:54:17 GMT -5
no one is taking into account how much %*$# you’ll get for having your name on your shorts while being in the qualifier Meh, if you are worried about getting sh*t on for having a mindset that is prepared to make the main draw then you really don't belong there anyway. |
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Post by guest2 on Jan 15, 2020 10:05:18 GMT -5
I think one factor not considered here is how much it benefits players to show their sponsors they will do more than the minimum. Maybe its old fashioned and these days the sponsorships arent as valuable to companies, but if I were a sponsor and found out that a player saved 5$ by not ironing on his name -and thus diminishing the value of that player wearing whatever brand - that would be the last time I worked with that player. Its funny the old time players often presented as prima donnas but constantly put themselves out for sponsors. I wonder how much these new guys do that. I am sure some meet and greets are nice but honestly look at the follower counts for some of these top tour players, all they have to do is tag a sponsor, do an #ad post, or an insta live with them unboxing new merch and they could probably generate some sales or followers for the specific companies. Here are the amount of Insta followers they have, every single one of them can do paid posts because they have more than 700 engaged followers, 17/20 can do swipe ups because they have more than 10k followers, and only April Ross can do bigger money sponsored posts being over 100k. Top 10 Men In Points; Dlahausser - 48.3k Lucena - 14.5k Gibb - 25.7k Ta. Crabb - 35.6k Patterson - 47.4k Budinger - 9.4k Tr. Crabb - 14.8k Casebeer - 16.3k Schalk - 5.3k Priddy - 18.6 Top 10 Womans In Points; Klineman - 43.1k Ross - 151k Paredes - 24.8k Paven - 22k Flint - 11.2 (easily best logo) Day - 12.4k Hughes - 36.4k Claes - 9.5k Sponcil - 18.9k Wilkerson - 20.8k Instagram is about a zillion times easier to gain followers on than Twitter and I am not sure if some of these athletes don't know how to monetize max potential on IG, or do they just not care and complacent with what they have. Kerri has 231k I wonder if Klineman is high just because she is April's partner or if she is also doing something. Some of these players have really engaging IGs - Claes and Brandie for example and just need to do better at getting followers. hy not use your IG handle instead of or next to your name on your gear? Contests draw thousands to IG accounts especially ones that include tag a friend bonuses, doing appearances, club promos etc. At an average event how many AVP fans start following Claes because of something she did there? (just random name as example) |
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 15, 2020 10:16:13 GMT -5
I am sure some meet and greets are nice but honestly look at the follower counts for some of these top tour players, all they have to do is tag a sponsor, do an #ad post, or an insta live with them unboxing new merch and they could probably generate some sales or followers for the specific companies. Here are the amount of Insta followers they have, every single one of them can do paid posts because they have more than 700 engaged followers, 17/20 can do swipe ups because they have more than 10k followers, and only April Ross can do bigger money sponsored posts being over 100k. Top 10 Men In Points; Dlahausser - 48.3k Lucena - 14.5k Gibb - 25.7k Ta. Crabb - 35.6k Patterson - 47.4k Budinger - 9.4k Tr. Crabb - 14.8k Casebeer - 16.3k Schalk - 5.3k Priddy - 18.6 Top 10 Womans In Points; Klineman - 43.1k Ross - 151k Paredes - 24.8k Paven - 22k Flint - 11.2 (easily best logo) Day - 12.4k Hughes - 36.4k Claes - 9.5k Sponcil - 18.9k Wilkerson - 20.8k Instagram is about a zillion times easier to gain followers on than Twitter and I am not sure if some of these athletes don't know how to monetize max potential on IG, or do they just not care and complacent with what they have. Kerri has 231k I wonder if Klineman is high just because she is April's partner or if she is also doing something. Some of these players have really engaging IGs - Claes and Brandie for example and just need to do better at getting followers. hy not use your IG handle instead of or next to your name on your gear? Contests draw thousands to IG accounts especially ones that include tag a friend bonuses, doing appearances, club promos etc. At an average event how many AVP fans start following Claes because of something she did there? (just random name as example) Yea obviously I only did the top 10 in points for time reasons but there are others like Urango, Strange, Muno, Paulis, Field, Evans, Burik who all have decent followings as well just to name a few more. I follow Klineman and she often re-shares stories or posts that she is tagged in by Adidas and Ralph Lauren so that has to help her followers as well as being April's partner. |
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Post by blackmambabeto on Nov 29, 2023 0:21:35 GMT -5
where can I get my name on my shorts in OC or south bay area?!? would be sweet
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