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Post by bddad on Jan 15, 2020 18:55:26 GMT -5
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Post by dunninla3 on Jan 15, 2020 22:01:45 GMT -5
It's going to be wide open this year. Last year it seemed that UCLA and USC were at the top without a lot of argument. This year? UCLA lost four of its top 6 but has a very, very deep and talented bench. I'm thinking USC is stronger than 4. How odd not to see a volleyball and money rich school like Stanford on the list. I know there are reasons as posted on the Stanford Beach thread, but it's still strange.
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Post by beachcomber on Jan 16, 2020 11:16:07 GMT -5
Stanford is No.18 - the only team unranked at the end of 2019 to make the 2020 pre-season poll. No other team was moved more than two spots, so this is a pretty conservative list. It will be interesting, as always, to compare with the AVCA version...
11. FIU 12. Long Beach St 13. Arizona 14. South Carolina 15. Grand Canyon 16. Georgia St 17. TCU 18. Stanford 19. Arizona St 20. Charleston
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Post by pnw_mark on Jan 16, 2020 13:42:53 GMT -5
Top 8 don't go to the Gulf... 3 from West.. 3 from the East and 2 at-large. so in the far too early to tell who'll be there poll. We'd be better off have a poll for the top 5 for each coast:
1.UCLA 2.USC 3.Hawaii 4. Pepperdine 5. Cal Poly
1. LSU 2. FSU 3. Stetson 4. FIU 5. USC
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Post by jake on Jan 16, 2020 16:27:33 GMT -5
Top 8 don't go to the Gulf... 3 from West.. 3 from the East and 2 at-large. so in the far too early to tell who'll be there poll. We'd be better off have a poll for the top 5 for each coast: 1.UCLA 2.USC 3.Hawaii 4. Pepperdine 5. Cal Poly 1. LSU 2. FSU 3. Stetson 4. FIU 5. USC Seeing both Torrey Van Winden and her sister Adlee back on the sand,...like CAL POLY's chances.
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Post by dunninla3 on Jan 16, 2020 23:43:02 GMT -5
Top 8 don't go to the Gulf... 3 from West.. 3 from the East and 2 at-large. so in the far too early to tell who'll be there poll. We'd be better off have a poll for the top 5 for each coast: 1.UCLA 2.USC 3.Hawaii 4. Pepperdine 5. Cal Poly 1. LSU 2. FSU 3. Stetson 4. FIU 5. USC Seeing both Torrey Van Winden and her sister Adlee back on the sand,...like CAL POLY's chances. So glad TVW is able to play this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 3:16:41 GMT -5
Seeing both Torrey Van Winden and her sister Adlee back on the sand,...like CAL POLY's chances. So glad TVW is able to play this year. She is a game changer. Brings the team to a whole new level. I think she will be the next Big to impact the AVP if she stays healthy, and wants to pursue that route.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 17, 2020 9:20:08 GMT -5
Stanford is No.18 - the only team unranked at the end of 2019 to make the 2020 pre-season poll. No other team was moved more than two spots, so this is a pretty conservative list. It will be interesting, as always, to compare with the AVCA version... 11. FIU 12. Long Beach St 13. Arizona 14. South Carolina 15. Grand Canyon 16. Georgia St 17. TCU 18. Stanford 19. Arizona St 20. Charleston Behind Grand Canyon and 16 other schools? How does Andrew Fuller still have a job?
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Post by dunninla3 on Jan 17, 2020 14:25:56 GMT -5
Stanford is No.18 - the only team unranked at the end of 2019 to make the 2020 pre-season poll. No other team was moved more than two spots, so this is a pretty conservative list. It will be interesting, as always, to compare with the AVCA version... 11. FIU 12. Long Beach St 13. Arizona 14. South Carolina 15. Grand Canyon 16. Georgia St 17. TCU 18. Stanford 19. Arizona St 20. Charleston Behind Grand Canyon and 16 other schools? How does Andrew Fuller still have a job? As I recall reading on another thread, Stanford Admissions did not entertain Fuller's list of recruits until after the sport attained Championship status, which I'm pretty sure was 2016, so Admissions didn't get involved until 2017. Given the extremely low odds that front door admits are also ranked Beach players, his first real season was 2017, with that being his first actual recruiting class. Compare that to Pepperdine, FSU, USC and a couple others who were funding in 2012. UCLA two years later, 2014. Bottom line is that Stanford didn't start really funding the program or recruiting until 3-4 years after most of the top 10 teams. Combine that with Hambly's reluctance to clear his indoor players for Beach, and you've got a slower than normal rampup of the program. They have catching up to do, not the fault of Fuller, but I think in the next couple of years they'll make Top 10. The truth is we really have no idea whether Fuller is or will become a great beach coach until he can sand a competitive team and see how they do.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 18, 2020 0:23:14 GMT -5
Behind Grand Canyon and 16 other schools? How does Andrew Fuller still have a job? As I recall reading on another thread, Stanford Admissions did not entertain Fuller's list of recruits until after the sport attained Championship status, which I'm pretty sure was 2016, so Admissions didn't get involved until 2017. Given the extremely low odds that front door admits are also ranked Beach players, his first real season was 2017, with that being his first actual recruiting class. Compare that to Pepperdine, FSU, USC and a couple others who were funding in 2012. UCLA two years later, 2014. Bottom line is that Stanford didn't start really funding the program or recruiting until 3-4 years after most of the top 10 teams. Combine that with Hambly's reluctance to clear his indoor players for Beach, and you've got a slower than normal rampup of the program. They have catching up to do, not the fault of Fuller, but I think in the next couple of years they'll make Top 10. The truth is we really have no idea whether Fuller is or will become a great beach coach until he can sand a competitive team and see how they do. In that situation it probably isnt his fault that he didnt beat UCLA, but Grand Canyon? Stetson? with the drawing power of Stanford's academics behind him?
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Post by bayarea on Jan 18, 2020 21:38:18 GMT -5
As I recall reading on another thread, Stanford Admissions did not entertain Fuller's list of recruits until after the sport attained Championship status, which I'm pretty sure was 2016, so Admissions didn't get involved until 2017. Given the extremely low odds that front door admits are also ranked Beach players, his first real season was 2017, with that being his first actual recruiting class. Compare that to Pepperdine, FSU, USC and a couple others who were funding in 2012. UCLA two years later, 2014. Bottom line is that Stanford didn't start really funding the program or recruiting until 3-4 years after most of the top 10 teams. Combine that with Hambly's reluctance to clear his indoor players for Beach, and you've got a slower than normal rampup of the program. They have catching up to do, not the fault of Fuller, but I think in the next couple of years they'll make Top 10. The truth is we really have no idea whether Fuller is or will become a great beach coach until he can sand a competitive team and see how they do. In that situation it probably isnt his fault that he didnt beat UCLA, but Grand Canyon? Stetson? with the drawing power of Stanford's academics behind him? "Stanford's academics" is a double edged sword...
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Post by dunninla3 on Jan 18, 2020 22:01:33 GMT -5
In that situation it probably isnt his fault that he didnt beat UCLA, but Grand Canyon? Stetson? with the drawing power of Stanford's academics behind him? "Stanford's academics" is a double edged sword... Yeah, that's true. The problem is the issue of perception. Forever, HS students have assumed that Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc. would be really tough schools in which to be a student. And that is probably true of Engineering majors, but that's about it. The truth is that almost every elite school, possibly with the exception of Cornell, really takes care of its students once they arrive. Stanford and Harvard median cum. GPA for undergraduates is 3.6. Almost impossible to get a C these days. So if anybody should tell you they aren't considering Stanford because of a fear of failing out, just point them to median GPA. And every elite Academic school has the "normals", and the "athletes". Everybody coexists just fine.
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Post by trollhunter on Jan 18, 2020 22:11:48 GMT -5
As I recall reading on another thread, Stanford Admissions did not entertain Fuller's list of recruits until after the sport attained Championship status, which I'm pretty sure was 2016, so Admissions didn't get involved until 2017. Given the extremely low odds that front door admits are also ranked Beach players, his first real season was 2017, with that being his first actual recruiting class. Compare that to Pepperdine, FSU, USC and a couple others who were funding in 2012. UCLA two years later, 2014. Bottom line is that Stanford didn't start really funding the program or recruiting until 3-4 years after most of the top 10 teams. Combine that with Hambly's reluctance to clear his indoor players for Beach, and you've got a slower than normal rampup of the program. They have catching up to do, not the fault of Fuller, but I think in the next couple of years they'll make Top 10. The truth is we really have no idea whether Fuller is or will become a great beach coach until he can sand a competitive team and see how they do. In that situation it probably isnt his fault that he didnt beat UCLA, but Grand Canyon? Stetson? with the drawing power of Stanford's academics behind him? I'm kinda of with guest2 on this one. Not so much with losing to Stetson and GCU, but ASU? And Washington and TCU in prior years? Yikes, not even real beach teams! Actually multiple losses to each over the years. His scheduling was bad (ambitious) last year also - he had 18 ranked teams on it, and got 18 expected losses. Even if he had Plummer and another indoor player available, they woulda been lucky to get to .500 At least this season schedule is more reasonable after a tough first weekend. They will still be lucky to make .500 again but should at least be close with some of the easy wins listed. Unless some of the freshman bigs are beach studs, I don't see the team improving to contention in the near future. He better get some mentoring on how to recruit to Stanford ASAP!
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 18, 2020 23:59:11 GMT -5
I like Andrew, good guy, great sense of humor. That said, I’m not sure he’s an elite coach, and he’s made some mistakes...but I’m going cut him a little slack. He came to Stanford with zero funding, and had to depend on who Dunning was willing to send to him as well as a handful of walk on’s. Fortunately for Andrew, Dunning was very, very pro-beach. Unfortunately for Andrew, Dunning abruptly departed, and Hambly came in with a far different perspective. Suddenly, a bunch of indoor players disappeared from the beach roster, and since beach only recently became fully funded, the roster was pretty thin in terms of scholarship players.
Then he lost the Nourses through no fault of his own, which was a massive blow to the program. However, now that he’s got some schollie money to toss around, things seem to be looking up - he’s got a really good freshman from Texas, and next season has three very good recruits led by Maya Harvey - who had her pick of every program in the country, and decommitted from UCLA to go to Stanford.
I think Stanford has a chance to be decent this season, and progressively better over the next few years.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 19, 2020 2:50:02 GMT -5
All of these would be excellent reasons why Stanford is 10th, but 18th? The financial/career benefits of a Stanford diploma and Northern California aren't a powerful enough draw to compete with schools named after hats or borderline community colleges scholarships or no? Ive sat on many hiring committees in a few industries and, fair or not, if candidates had under 10 years of experience in their field, there would have to be massive differences in their work experience before almost anyone wouldn't blindly hire the Stanford grad over someone with Grand Canyon U on their CV (who named that school anyway it sounds like a for profit school created to exploit immigrants) Same goes for Stetson (although I understand Stetson is actually fairly highly regarded?) Georgia St.,etc. I dont know Andrew Fuller other than having played against him once or twice a long, long time ago, and he at least worked his way up rather than just being handed a plum job, but as trollhunter mentions, he doesnt seem to be able to recruit and/or effectively advocate for his program. Its likely that Stanford does better this year for all the reasons mentioned by GLM and others, but how good should they be before giving Mr. Fuller a 5th year seems like a good idea. .500?
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