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Post by gr8ful on Aug 8, 2021 7:48:50 GMT -5
Hmm, I do wonder who the trolls are here...: "volleytards" "Listen up losers" "Log off!" "Don't be a dick" "five Cheesehead Jesuses" "low vball IQ" "SUCK IT YOU LOSER!!!!" You only used 4 of my quotes....I'm sure I had at least 6 to 8 that were worthy....
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Post by ballervolley on Aug 8, 2021 8:19:51 GMT -5
#sorrynotsorry
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 8, 2021 8:55:44 GMT -5
Not just Karch...
When USA Volleyball replaced Doug Beal with a TV hack, I was hopeful for a pro-league but I thought that was probably a step backwards for the NTs. When they traded down from Mizuno to Adidas I thought that was a step back. When I saw the roster I wasn't optimistic. I haven't been around Bartch in a long time, but depending on her that much seemed like a bad idea. When they started playing and I realized they couldn't/wouldn't use the middle (11 kills in the first 6 sets in Tokyo) I knew we were in trouble. And who thought we could win with so little Kelsey Robinson?
But then China bottomed out. Bartch played well, Jordan Larson was Jordan Larson They killed what they could and kept Poulter many mistakes alive. JWO and Bartch meant we didn't need more Robinson (I never imagined that) Annie Drews was awesome. The middles weren't a big part of the offense but they were very efficient. (9-0-14 vs Serbia, 9-1-17 vs Brazil) And blocking. Oh my word, the blocking! And IDK what the heck happened to Brazil, but I'll take it.
Winning the gold means never having to say you are sorry. So as it turns out, USA Volleyball and Karch and all the moves along the way were correct. Or at least correct enough. Congrats to all involved!
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on Aug 8, 2021 9:05:11 GMT -5
Karch winning gold does not mean that all of his roster choices and all the other questionable %*$# he's done (i.e. the Logan Tom phone call, being a major diva during his prime while also cutting Hooker for being a "diva", bringing a cheerleader to Rio, etc) no longer matter. The guy made history. Ok. Doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes along the way.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 8, 2021 10:09:01 GMT -5
Karch winning gold does not mean that all of his roster choices and all the other questionable %*$# he's done (i.e. the Logan Tom phone call, being a major diva during his prime while also cutting Hooker for being a "diva", bringing a cheerleader to Rio, etc) no longer matter. The guy made history. Ok. Doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes along the way. The beauty of making mistakes is that they are the perfect learning moments. If and only if you keep an open mind to allow the mistake teach. Winning the gold does not negate the mistakes. But it does demonstrate that the lessons were learned and actions taken which comes from learning the lesson. Indeed, one salient tactic that Dunning Kruger sufferers implement repeatedly is the argument about the personnel moves over the years. Having lost does not imply that a missing player was the key, nor does having lost imply that a missing player would have been more productive. The point is moot because there is no way to test the assertions in reality, because they weren't there. You can talk all you want about players not picked, but your arguments are just fantasies in your mind.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 8, 2021 10:13:07 GMT -5
I was neutral on Karch, but his haters made the match threads so toxic that I'm almost as happy for him as I am for the players.
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Post by BIG🔴ENERGY on Aug 8, 2021 11:22:55 GMT -5
Karch winning gold does not mean that all of his roster choices and all the other questionable %*$# he's done (i.e. the Logan Tom phone call, being a major diva during his prime while also cutting Hooker for being a "diva", bringing a cheerleader to Rio, etc) no longer matter. The guy made history. Ok. Doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes along the way. The beauty of making mistakes is that they are the perfect learning moments. If and only if you keep an open mind to allow the mistake teach. Winning the gold does not negate the mistakes. But it does demonstrate that the lessons were learned and actions taken which comes from learning the lesson. Indeed, one salient tactic that Dunning Kruger sufferers implement repeatedly is the argument about the personnel moves over the years. Having lost does not imply that a missing player was the key, nor does having lost imply that a missing player would have been more productive. The point is moot because there is no way to test the assertions in reality, because they weren't there. You can talk all you want about players not picked, but your arguments are just fantasies in your mind. Great reminder about these hypotheticals only being mad-driven fantasies and lies. I can confirm with certainty, however, that if these pseudo-coaches on the keyboard like Reach and a handful of other wannabes were making tangible decisions for this team, USA would have been sent back to Anaheim a week ago or (in their words) “lucky” to have qualified for the Olympics at all. Like clockwork, after each of Karch’s roster selections for major tournaments were chosen and starting lineups announced, these couch-coaches belittled Karch and his chosen players while not knowing a damn thing about what was actually happening inside the USA gym or what exactly the team needed to succeed. These people had zero stats or insight from practices, yet their egos and fanaticism for certain players led them to portray Karch as some deranged cult leader bumping “Kumbaya” on the sound system. In the end, these people were absolute phonies and proved their ignorance of not just this sport at the highest level but also the players they hyped ad nauseum—only to properly embarrass themselves and their favorite (read: unqualified) players that Karch didn’t select.
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Post by Heinrich Schliemann III on Aug 8, 2021 11:30:46 GMT -5
I've been pro-Karch since forever and admire his learning and dedication as much as anything.
Fair is fair though, maybe the idiots have a point: Swap in Destinee and Carlini for whomever you choose, set the middle a little more, and they could have won gold on the men's side too on their off days.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 8, 2021 12:09:38 GMT -5
Does VT need a "sorry Jordan Poulter" thread as well?
It all worked out. I don't have expertise about the game that would allow me to know if lineup and strategy choices are correct. I trust everyone is putting their best effort forward in all aspects of the game - coaching and playing -- and if it's not working it's not a result of stupidity or trying to sabotage the team. And as far as "it's not working" -- that's part of sports. Even for good/great teams, it's not always going to work - in a match, in a set, for a stretch in a set. People tend to really get on teams for not playing their "best." As I said last night, it's called "best" for a reason - because it's not the average level of play, the median level of play. Athletes and teams rarely play their "best." Champions just have a high average level and can come up big at big moments. Plus, there's usually incredible talent on the other side of the net which result in an unwelcome outcome even if playing well.
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Post by Reach on Aug 8, 2021 12:17:09 GMT -5
The beauty of making mistakes is that they are the perfect learning moments. If and only if you keep an open mind to allow the mistake teach. Winning the gold does not negate the mistakes. But it does demonstrate that the lessons were learned and actions taken which comes from learning the lesson. Indeed, one salient tactic that Dunning Kruger sufferers implement repeatedly is the argument about the personnel moves over the years. Having lost does not imply that a missing player was the key, nor does having lost imply that a missing player would have been more productive. The point is moot because there is no way to test the assertions in reality, because they weren't there. You can talk all you want about players not picked, but your arguments are just fantasies in your mind. Great reminder about these hypotheticals only being mad-driven fantasies and lies. I can confirm with certainty, however, that if these pseudo-coaches on the keyboard like Reach and a handful of other wannabes were making tangible decisions for this team, USA would have been sent back to Anaheim a week ago or (in their words) “lucky” to have qualified for the Olympics at all. Like clockwork, after each of Karch’s roster selections for major tournaments were chosen and starting lineups announced, these couch-coaches belittled Karch and his chosen players while not knowing a damn thing about what was actually happening inside the USA gym or what exactly the team needed to succeed. These people had zero stats or insight from practices, yet their egos and fanaticism for certain players led them to portray Karch as some deranged cult leader bumping “Kumbaya” on the sound system. In the end, these people were absolute phonies and proved their ignorance of not just this sport at the highest level but also the players they hyped ad nauseum—only to properly embarrass themselves and their favorite (read: unqualified) players that Karch didn’t select. I love how obsessed you are with me but like, who are you?
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Post by vballstartedit on Aug 8, 2021 12:24:45 GMT -5
Apologies need to be made to Micha Hancock as well. She did a phenomenal job when JP was out of commission temporarily. I agree!! I’m sure if we lost that Italy game and the quarterfinals, VT will blow up because of all the stuff that people will be spewing on her. Btw those people have not said anything at all about her now ... Nothing like a gold medal to shut them up!!!!
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Post by KO7 on Aug 8, 2021 12:43:32 GMT -5
Apologies need to be made to Micha Hancock as well. She did a phenomenal job when JP was out of commission temporarily. I agree!! I’m sure if we lost that Italy game and the quarterfinals, VT will blow up because of all the stuff that people will be spewing on her. Btw those people have not said anything at all about her now ... Nothing like a gold medal to shut them up!!!! Besides the Gold Medal match for obvious reasons, that one versus Italy is also my fav for these women in these Games. The resilience and perseverance to overcome Poulter’s injury against Egonu’s Italians was amazing to witness, and Hancock deserves a ton of credit for it (as do the others of course).
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Post by Reach on Aug 8, 2021 12:57:07 GMT -5
I love how obsessed you are with me but like, who are you? To be obsessed with you would require some form of desire or respect for you on my part, but my taste palate is infinitely more refined, so enjoy getting called out for your denial, lies, and envy of Karch and his rosters. You definitely deserved it! Go off qween.
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Post by ToddyJ on Aug 8, 2021 12:58:30 GMT -5
I love how obsessed you are with me but like, who are you? To be obsessed with you would require some form of desire or respect for you on my part, but my taste palate is infinitely more refined, so enjoy getting called out for your denial, lies, and envy of Karch and his rosters. You definitely deserved it! It would be a dull and boring world if we all agreed. I think you need to chill out a bit.
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Post by BIG🔴ENERGY on Aug 8, 2021 13:00:17 GMT -5
To be obsessed with you would require some form of desire or respect for you on my part, but my taste palate is infinitely more refined, so enjoy getting called out for your denial, lies, and envy of Karch and his rosters. You definitely deserved it! It would be a dull and boring world if we all agreed. I think you need to chill out a bit. Correct, there will always be people who are right and people who are wrong. 😭😭 Love this for the people who were wrong. It's quickly becoming clear that the backup setter for Karch is more of a cheerleading position than an actual playing position. I thought it was a fluke in 2016 perhaps but no, now it's clear. Hancock the only player not to play today. she didn't even get to use her special little serve. Karch getting a masterclass in coaching rn Kumbaya content is shown on PBS around 11am Yea Karch decided before they boarded the plane at LAX. He waisted these girls time. He’s a tool. Unless Karch plans to have Hancock start. Lord, help us all.
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