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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 12, 2023 9:36:52 GMT -5
This would be smart move by the Big Ten IMO. 15 game conference season - with a conference tournament to end the season. They could make this into a big profit making event (that will continue to grow - and grow the sport) - much like the ACC did in basketball many decades ago. SEC should follow suit once Vandy is up. Another smart move by the Big Ten - play non conference matches during the 'conference season' - which a 15 game season would allow. 16 team conference is setup great for this (balanced regular season conference schedule - full conference tournament). I am guessing players and coaches would love this (we already know at least one coach does). Related - adding USC/UCLA with a regular 20 match conference season may do weird things to those previous RPI's and impact tournament seedings and bids. Be pro-active. A 15-match conference season seems like a lot of lost revenue for the programs that sell out their arenas. Power 5 coaches recently led the push to change the match limit to 32 matches instead of 28 dates so they could play more. But now Shondell thinks they are playing too much? I didn’t know there was a movement to play less 2 matches per week. That seems unnecessary to me. Not if you add several non conference matches. There would be a couple open weeks during the season to add matches - maybe a B1G/SEC challenge series. Should be able to end up with as many or more home matches.
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Post by n00b on Mar 12, 2023 13:17:06 GMT -5
A 15-match conference season seems like a lot of lost revenue for the programs that sell out their arenas. Power 5 coaches recently led the push to change the match limit to 32 matches instead of 28 dates so they could play more. But now Shondell thinks they are playing too much? I didn’t know there was a movement to play less 2 matches per week. That seems unnecessary to me. Not if you add several non conference matches. There would be a couple open weeks during the season to add matches - maybe a B1G/SEC challenge series. Should be able to end up with as many or more home matches. This seems more difficult. You’d need coordination with other conferences. Plus, having less important non-conference matches in the middle of conference play would make for a very weird flow of the season. I WOULD like to see waivers to allow for conference championship matches to be played on selection Sunday if and only if they secure a contract for a national linear broadcast.
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Post by vbnerd on Mar 12, 2023 13:53:13 GMT -5
The SEC had a conference tournament into the mid-2000s.
The reason they dropped it, accroding to a couple coaches at the time, was that everybody but UF took a loss and it hurt their chances of getting multiple teams in the tournament.
Basketball is different because almost every conference has a tournament and most of the conferences make piles of cash doing so. If every conference joined in, that's one thing, if it is a concern in basketball that 3-4 games in so many days wears you out for the NCAA tournament and the same would be a concern in volleyball. And it's a loss for almost everybody. It's one thing if everybody does it, but for one conference to do it alone? That seems like you are putting your teams at a disadvantage.
In very few conferences would there be a pile of cash at the end of the rainbow - getting people to give up Thanksgiving weekend and rivalry football games to go watch volleyball in Omaha or Indy seems harder than getting fans to travel in March.
And we saw what the NFL games did to the ratings of the WVB national championshipship match. With NFL on Thursday and Sunday, and college football and basketball playing Thursday-Friday-Saturday, where are we getting TV time for SEC/Big 12/Big 10/ACC(/Pac 12?) semi-finals.
Last, the college coaches JUST got a day off between NCAA matches nominally because of player safety, and that was just 2 days in a row. Now we think they are going to sign up for 3 or 4 matches in a row? They've been cutting back on matches for years, but now they are going to play an exempt event? It may seem exciting on TV and maybe it makes for a good twitter post to keep people taking about volleyball, but when push comes to shove, I don't see most coaches signing on for this.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 12, 2023 15:05:42 GMT -5
The SEC had a conference tournament into the mid-2000s. The reason they dropped it, accroding to a couple coaches at the time, was that everybody but UF took a loss and it hurt their chances of getting multiple teams in the tournament. That reasoning from coaches doesn't make sense. Losing to Florida (who had elite W/L records at the time) didn't hurt your RPI or chances of getting into the tournament.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 12, 2023 15:22:41 GMT -5
This seems more difficult. You’d need coordination with other conferences. Plus, having less important non-conference matches in the middle of conference play would make for a very weird flow of the season. I WOULD like to see waivers to allow for conference championship matches to be played on selection Sunday if and only if they secure a contract for a national linear broadcast. It would require teams from the other conferences having similar 1-week matches or be willing to play three matches in a week. Some already do play 3. I would hope they'd be quality non-conf matches, such as Nebraska scheduling Creighton, Wisconsin scheduling Marquette, USC/UCLA scheduling LMU/Pepperdine/Stanford, etc. The Ball State/BG/Northern Iowa teams could also get in some games against local competition. I think the Big East teams would love to play a Big Ten team in the middle of their conference season given the lack of competition.
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Post by n00b on Mar 12, 2023 15:47:41 GMT -5
This seems more difficult. You’d need coordination with other conferences. Plus, having less important non-conference matches in the middle of conference play would make for a very weird flow of the season. I WOULD like to see waivers to allow for conference championship matches to be played on selection Sunday if and only if they secure a contract for a national linear broadcast. It would require teams from the other conferences having similar 1-week matches or be willing to play three matches in a week. Some already do play 3. I would hope they'd be quality non-conf matches, such as Nebraska scheduling Creighton, Wisconsin scheduling Marquette, USC/UCLA scheduling LMU/Pepperdine/Stanford, etc. The Ball State/BG/Northern Iowa teams could also get in some games against local competition. I think the Big East teams would love to play a Big Ten team in the middle of their conference season given the lack of competition. Yeah, Marquette and Creighton would. I can’t see the 9 other Big East teams wanting a week off.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 12, 2023 15:56:49 GMT -5
It would require teams from the other conferences having similar 1-week matches or be willing to play three matches in a week. Some already do play 3. I would hope they'd be quality non-conf matches, such as Nebraska scheduling Creighton, Wisconsin scheduling Marquette, USC/UCLA scheduling LMU/Pepperdine/Stanford, etc. The Ball State/BG/Northern Iowa teams could also get in some games against local competition. I think the Big East teams would love to play a Big Ten team in the middle of their conference season given the lack of competition. Yeah, Marquette and Creighton would. I can’t see the 9 other Big East teams wanting a week off. I'm not saying they would have to get a week off - saying that Creighton/Marquette would play a Tues/Wednesday mid-week matches before their weekend two-match Big East matches. So, 3 in a week. I still think they'd be willing.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 12, 2023 16:31:59 GMT -5
The SEC had a conference tournament into the mid-2000s. The reason they dropped it, accroding to a couple coaches at the time, was that everybody but UF took a loss and it hurt their chances of getting multiple teams in the tournament. Basketball is different because almost every conference has a tournament and most of the conferences make piles of cash doing so. If every conference joined in, that's one thing, if it is a concern in basketball that 3-4 games in so many days wears you out for the NCAA tournament and the same would be a concern in volleyball. And it's a loss for almost everybody. It's one thing if everybody does it, but for one conference to do it alone? That seems like you are putting your teams at a disadvantage. In very few conferences would there be a pile of cash at the end of the rainbow - getting people to give up Thanksgiving weekend and rivalry football games to go watch volleyball in Omaha or Indy seems harder than getting fans to travel in March. And we saw what the NFL games did to the ratings of the WVB national championshipship match. With NFL on Thursday and Sunday, and college football and basketball playing Thursday-Friday-Saturday, where are we getting TV time for SEC/Big 12/Big 10/ACC(/Pac 12?) semi-finals. Last, the college coaches JUST got a day off between NCAA matches nominally because of player safety, and that was just 2 days in a row. Now we think they are going to sign up for 3 or 4 matches in a row? They've been cutting back on matches for years, but now they are going to play an exempt event? It may seem exciting on TV and maybe it makes for a good twitter post to keep people taking about volleyball, but when push comes to shove, I don't see most coaches signing on for this. In conferences with 16+ teams, this would be national championship contenders are signing up for 4 matches in 4 days, 1 week before the tourney starts?
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Post by big10+4 fan on Mar 12, 2023 16:33:13 GMT -5
Kind of off topic but I wish the 3-4 major conferences would do a conference challenge in the preseason. For example purposes let's say you had the B1G, ACC, Pac12. They could do a 3-way conference challenge and have pods of 3 teams (1 from each conference) and play at one of the schools. Could set it up so that the top teams in each conf play at a school, the 2s play at another and so on.
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Post by n00b on Mar 12, 2023 16:51:56 GMT -5
The SEC had a conference tournament into the mid-2000s. The reason they dropped it, accroding to a couple coaches at the time, was that everybody but UF took a loss and it hurt their chances of getting multiple teams in the tournament. Basketball is different because almost every conference has a tournament and most of the conferences make piles of cash doing so. If every conference joined in, that's one thing, if it is a concern in basketball that 3-4 games in so many days wears you out for the NCAA tournament and the same would be a concern in volleyball. And it's a loss for almost everybody. It's one thing if everybody does it, but for one conference to do it alone? That seems like you are putting your teams at a disadvantage. In very few conferences would there be a pile of cash at the end of the rainbow - getting people to give up Thanksgiving weekend and rivalry football games to go watch volleyball in Omaha or Indy seems harder than getting fans to travel in March. And we saw what the NFL games did to the ratings of the WVB national championshipship match. With NFL on Thursday and Sunday, and college football and basketball playing Thursday-Friday-Saturday, where are we getting TV time for SEC/Big 12/Big 10/ACC(/Pac 12?) semi-finals. Last, the college coaches JUST got a day off between NCAA matches nominally because of player safety, and that was just 2 days in a row. Now we think they are going to sign up for 3 or 4 matches in a row? They've been cutting back on matches for years, but now they are going to play an exempt event? It may seem exciting on TV and maybe it makes for a good twitter post to keep people taking about volleyball, but when push comes to shove, I don't see most coaches signing on for this. In conferences with 16+ teams, this would be national championship contenders are signing up for 4 matches in 4 days, 1 week before the tourney starts? 3 matches for teams seeded 1-4.
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Post by n00b on Mar 12, 2023 16:53:09 GMT -5
Kind of off topic but I wish the 3-4 major conferences would do a conference challenge in the preseason. For example purposes let's say you had the B1G, ACC, Pac12. They could do a 3-way conference challenge and have pods of 3 teams (1 from each conference) and play at one of the schools. Could set it up so that the top teams in each conf play at a school, the 2s play at another and so on. As long as RPI exists, this wouldn’t benefit anybody. You want the bottom teams in your conference beating up on low majors, not playing competitive matches.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 12, 2023 17:00:46 GMT -5
In conferences with 16+ teams, this would be national championship contenders are signing up for 4 matches in 4 days, 1 week before the tourney starts? 3 matches for teams seeded 1-4. With a 16 team tourney, that doesn't really work without leaving the worst teams at home (and big conferences don't have the appetite for that)
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Post by n00b on Mar 12, 2023 17:13:14 GMT -5
3 matches for teams seeded 1-4. With a 16 team tourney, that doesn't really work without leaving the worst teams at home (and big conferences don't have the appetite for that) You use the format that large basketball conferences have used for years. Only teams #9+ play on day 1. Teams #5-#8 get a bye and start on day 2. Teams #1-#4 get a double bye and start on day 3. Allows it all to be at 1 venue with no more than 4 games per day.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 12, 2023 17:16:32 GMT -5
With a 16 team tourney, that doesn't really work without leaving the worst teams at home (and big conferences don't have the appetite for that) You use the format that large basketball conferences have used for years. Only teams #9+ play on day 1. Teams #5-#8 get a bye and start on day 2. Teams #1-#4 get a double bye and start on day 3. Allows it all to be at 1 venue with no more than 4 games per day. #5 wouldn't get a BYE after the conference expansion. You'd be forced to give #1-#4 a double bye and no one else - #5 would have to play TWO matches before facing off against #4.
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Post by big10+4 fan on Mar 12, 2023 17:20:54 GMT -5
Kind of off topic but I wish the 3-4 major conferences would do a conference challenge in the preseason. For example purposes let's say you had the B1G, ACC, Pac12. They could do a 3-way conference challenge and have pods of 3 teams (1 from each conference) and play at one of the schools. Could set it up so that the top teams in each conf play at a school, the 2s play at another and so on. As long as RPI exists, this wouldn’t benefit anybody. You want the bottom teams in your conference beating up on low majors, not playing competitive matches. Meh. I don't see a huge thing there. For example, in the B1G the bottom two teams were Iowa and Rutgers. Iowa already played Colorado and Washington in non-con and Rutgers played K-State. Now obviously they lost those games but those wouldn't really be the teams they'd be playing in this anyway. They'd be playing games against teams like Cal and Mizzou. If teams like Iowa and Rutgers are going to play games against power 5 teams anyway might as well do a conference challenge format and play against teams more your caliber and potentially help out the conference RPI. Just replace those games against K-State/Wash/Colorado with the others. Might even be better.
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