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Post by vbbadman1 on Jan 20, 2004 11:08:27 GMT -5
What does the header "GEN BHE" stand for on the right most column of a volleyball stat sheet?
Question?- Other than the final score, of course what statistics do you look at to get a picture of a match that you have not attended?
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Post by tigfan on Jan 20, 2004 11:12:41 GMT -5
It stands for "Gereral Ball Handling Error"... it's not a good stat to have. You get a BHE whenever you double contact or lift the ball. Usually setters get the most of these over the course of the season due to the fact that they're setting 150-200 balls a match... but anyone on the floor can get a BHE statted
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Post by westcoastvball on Jan 21, 2004 2:14:00 GMT -5
the stat that usually can show how uneven a match was is the hitting percentage. someone else said this in another post but i decided to put it in here for you also. for instance, the lewis/pepperdine match at lewis had lewis hitting .155 and pepperdine hitting .407. pepperdine ended up winning the match 30-23, 30-28, 30-20. a good hitting percentage sort of mimics a good batting average in baseball. if you hit .300 you're a pretty decent hitting team, .350 you're team is probably in the top 15 and over .400 you're team is probably going to be in the top 5.
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Post by VBbeast on Jan 21, 2004 12:11:51 GMT -5
First thing you look at is the hitting percentage, which typically indicates who wins, but since the advent of rally scoring I have seen many times where the winning team might not have the higher hitting percentage.
Do a quick check on service errors, blocks, aces and reception errors. Between those items you can usually tell how the match played out.
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Post by cougarize on Jan 21, 2004 14:59:21 GMT -5
First thing you look at is the hitting percentage, which typically indicates who wins, but since the advent of rally scoring I have seen many times where the winning team might not have the higher hitting percentage. Do a quick check on service errors, blocks, aces and reception errors. Between those items you can usually tell how the match played out. Even with rally scoring, I would say an overwhelming percentage of winners (probably 98 or 99) have a higher hitting percentage over their opponents. There are actually very few times teams win with a lower percentage. You might characterize it as 'many times' but it's really a false perception. It's true that service errors, aces and reception errors can be telling, but only to a certain extent. Staying in system is so important, but the most important stat, serving wise, would be a good pass to the setter. Partially shanked passes that throw a team out of system, but doesn't chalk up as anything, usually leads to a weaker attack, pulling the hitting percentage down. Blocks are important, but to an even lesser extent. A team can put up four blocks a game against the other team, but the other team can still hit .400. All in all, hitting percentage is the big stat to look at. After all when it comes down to it, volleyball is about the staying in system and looking for the bump, set and spike.
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Post by BarcelonaBob on Jan 22, 2004 1:58:15 GMT -5
Actually, the most critical stat (according to some of the prominent coaches I've talked to, including the guy on the hill in Malibu) is points-per-rotation. And that doesn't show up in the boxscore.
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Post by roy on Jan 22, 2004 3:10:34 GMT -5
Actually, the most critical stat (according to some of the prominent coaches I've talked to, including the guy on the hill in Malibu) is points-per-rotation. And that doesn't show up in the boxscore. I think a passing stat would be more critical stat. If a team is passing well, they can run their offense. You see a box score with teams having a low hitting percent and you wonder if the opposing team is just playing some really good defense, if the hitters just were not keeping the ball in, or if the passing got bad that the team couldn't run their options.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Jan 22, 2004 20:47:54 GMT -5
just a question...if a team had a poor blocking stat, but a great digging stat, wouldn't one compensate for the other?
Also, if high school, some schools depending on their conference keep digging stats differently. One school made any save a dig, the school I'm at now (different conference) a dig is only the 1st ball over the net off any type of attack? Any thoughts?
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Post by StuffU on Jan 22, 2004 23:16:27 GMT -5
the blocking -vs- digging stats do not cancel each other out, primarily because the blocking stats directly lead to points scored, whereas a dig still requires the team to successfully attack the ball for a point.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Jan 22, 2004 23:42:50 GMT -5
if a block is not sucessful but had a touch on it, is the first ball contacted by the receiving team considered a dig. Example: Team A attacks, Team B goes for block and just gets a touch on it, which sends it behind the court. TEam B libero, chases it down and puts it back into play (which if this was Ryan S. it would be passed perfectly to the setter)... ) ha ha. Would TEam B libero get credit for a dig?
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Post by newburyvball on Feb 12, 2004 8:10:15 GMT -5
yes team b would get a dig, but only if that team gets a second touch or if it goes to the other side of the net and stays in play.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Feb 12, 2004 15:25:52 GMT -5
so if the dig is overpassed back into the opponets court, then it's not a dig?
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Post by Serendipity on Feb 12, 2004 16:16:35 GMT -5
Yes, it's still considered a dig. It's only not a dig if the libero (or whoever) touches the ball but shanks it into the stands. As long as the first ball touched off an attack is kept in play, it's a dig. It is NOT a dig, however, if Team A attacks the ball into Team B's block and someone from Team A keeps the ball in play. That's a no stat. Some teams (wrongly) give this a dig. Here is a link to the NCAA statkeepers manual for those interested (watch wrapping): www.ncaa.org/library/statistical/volleyball_stats_manual/2003/2003_volleyball_stats.pdf
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Feb 12, 2004 23:15:19 GMT -5
cool, thanks a bunch for the info.
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Post by strobe on Feb 13, 2004 16:39:06 GMT -5
Regarding stats, could someone explain the blocking stats. What constitutes a BS and a BA. If 3 blockers are up and 1 of them clearly blocks the opponenet, how is that scored??
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