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Post by thevolleybaker on Oct 9, 2023 15:16:39 GMT -5
The Nazis did not obtain a majority before they suspended elections, but it definitely was not a small subset of the population. You also have to keep in mind that there were fascistic parties and groups independent of the Nazis at the time who also enjoyed a good amount of support. As to your other point, they certainly did also vote for what the Nazis did to Jewish people and other marginalized groups in Germany. There were plenty of pogroms, attacks, and book burnings. There were also the Nuremberg Laws, deportations, and the horrendous ghettos. This was all support or at the very least tolerated by a very large part of the population. Hate, extermination, and war were ALWAYS central to Hitler’s campaign. He wrote it all down in Mein Kampf. Early propaganda was also deeply antisemitic, and Europe had a history of antisemitism long before the Nazis. Not sure you realized my point was that the German people were wrong - the extermination of people isn't good no matter how one wants to justify this. And that the Palestine people are doing the same thing with Hamas. Sorry, I jumped the gun.
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Post by guest2 on Oct 9, 2023 15:25:06 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity how much time have you actually spent in the Middle East? This is as relevant as "Well I served in the military, so shut up." There's a difference between being the guy who cooks food on board the Eisenhower and the guy dropped behind lines for three days waiting for a specific moment. Using the logic of "I lived there for a decade", that means all Americans over the age of 40 are experts in US government and law, right? I mean, they've lived here their entire lives. Heck, Rudy Guiliani knows everything because he's 80. Want him as the authority on the law? (Or Biden if you prefer the other side of the political fence) When you are discussing the attitudes of peoples and government then first hand experience is very useful. Particularly when the United States media has been notoriously unreliable and dishonest in their coverage of the region
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Post by guest2 on Oct 9, 2023 15:30:27 GMT -5
Does Israel have a stated position to exterminate all Muslims? Because it is pretty clear that Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran wants the extermination of all Jews on earth. So statements are louder than actions? So if Haas also said they didn't intend to kill all Jews, what then? Which statement is true? Or are you now taking the position of a radical group (Hamas) and presuming that is the position of the Palestinian government agency as well? Personally, I take deeds as bigger than words, so that when a government shoots journalists or detains 2 million people in an area the size of a county and then declares it won't permit any food in to civilians there, even though Hamas numbers less than 1% of the people, is that government really the good guy? How many innocents has Israel killed compared to Hamas since Hamas's founding in 1987? Exactly. Hamas are horrible and do not have the best interests of Palestinians in mind, but that doesn't make Israel the good guys. Because they aren't. Who are you referring to as the Palestinian government agency? Hamas is the government in Gaza This is where actual familiarity with the country and people comes in. Hamas enjoys widespread support both in Gaza, where they have been the Palestinian government for a long time, and in the West Bank, where most people view Hamas as more honest and massively less corrupt than the PA. In fact it is likely Hamas would be the government in the West Bank as well if free and fair elections were held and the results honored. Whatever their virtues or faults, Hamas is no more a fringe or radical movement in Palestine than the Democrats or Republicans are in the United States.
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Post by jsquare on Oct 9, 2023 15:50:53 GMT -5
And when Jews did this in the Warsaw Ghetto, they were considered heroes and still are today in Israel. They shot women and children while they were sleeping in their beds. They took Holocaust survivors hostage. Let’s not pretend this is honorable. That really makes Democrats and the media look despicable. So, probably not a good time to hold up ambassadorships, military promotions, threatening government shutdowns, and being without a House leader, don't you you think? Which party is responsible for that?
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 9, 2023 17:18:51 GMT -5
I would never want to be on the receiving end of Israel's wrath, especially with Netanyahu in charge. Israel is very decisive and merciless in retaliations. And, Mossad is very skilled and highly motivated in the revenge assassination business.
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Post by jsquare on Oct 9, 2023 17:22:50 GMT -5
I would never want to be on the receiving end of Israel's wrath, especially with Netanyahu in charge. Israel is very decisive and merciless in retaliations. And, Mossad is very skilled and highly motivated in the revenge assassination business. Always think of Zeeva from NCIS when it comes to Mossad
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 9, 2023 17:26:08 GMT -5
I would never want to be on the receiving end of Israel's wrath, especially with Netanyahu in charge. Israel is very decisive and merciless in retaliations. And, Mossad is very skilled and highly motivated in the revenge assassination business. Always think of Zeeva from NCIS when it comes to Mossad I don't know who this is. Motivation is key. I would never ever want to go up against a highly motivated opponent, regardless of skill level, because they're relentless. I mean RELENTLESS. And I'll end up too exhausted to continue.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 9, 2023 17:43:14 GMT -5
I would never want to be on the receiving end of Israel's wrath, especially with Netanyahu in charge. Israel is very decisive and merciless in retaliations. And, Mossad is very skilled and highly motivated in the revenge assassination business. Always think of Zeeva from NCIS when it comes to Mossad I remember Nash Bridges in the late 90s. There was an Israeli-American construction contractor who worked on someone's house, and when there was someone who apparently cheated his client, he suggested that he might contact a friend of his who was former Mossad and could perform an assassination.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 9, 2023 17:44:16 GMT -5
Some Republicans are suggesting that Hamas has sleeper cells crossing into the US across the border with Mexico. Meanwhile, others are looking for explanations for how Hamas evaded Israeli intelligence in planning their attack, and suggesting that the intel Trump shared with Putin may have been given to Iran and then to Hamas: Donald Trump's Israel Intel Leak Under Scrutiny After Hamas Attack www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-israel-intel-russia-hamas-attack-1833094
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Post by akbar on Oct 9, 2023 17:47:20 GMT -5
Some Republicans are suggesting that Hamas has sleeper cells crossing into the US across the border with Mexico. Meanwhile, others are looking for explanations for how Hamas evaded Israeli intelligence in planning their attack, and suggesting that the intel Trump shared with Putin may have been given to Iran and then to Hamas: Donald Trump's Israel Intel Leak Under Scrutiny After Hamas Attack www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-israel-intel-russia-hamas-attack-1833094Smh. The Pentagon has begun requesting extra funding for Israel but the Republicans have made that impossible to address after making such a mess of the House. Step aside MAGA, the adults need to take over. President Biden will address the nation tomorrow.
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Post by joetrinsey on Oct 9, 2023 18:00:31 GMT -5
The Pentagon has begun requesting extra funding for Israel...
Is that a good thing?
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Post by jsquare on Oct 9, 2023 18:14:06 GMT -5
Always think of Zeeva from NCIS when it comes to Mossad I don't know who this is. Motivation is key. I would never ever want to go up against a highly motivated opponent, regardless of skill level, because they're relentless. I mean RELENTLESS. And I'll end up too exhausted to continue. I’m usually too exhausted to begin.
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Post by jsquare on Oct 9, 2023 18:17:59 GMT -5
Always think of Zeeva from NCIS when it comes to Mossad I remember Nash Bridges in the late 90s. There was an Israeli-American construction contractor who worked on someone's house, and when there was someone who apparently cheated his client, he suggested that he might contact a friend of his who was former Mossad and could perform an assassination. I toured the boat that was the set of their police precinct in San Francisco one time. It was just one of the boats at the pier. I couldn’t find the Nash Bridges name plate. Some one got that before me.
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Post by akbar on Oct 9, 2023 18:22:36 GMT -5
The Pentagon has begun requesting extra funding for Israel... Is that a good thing?
It is a thing.... good/bad tbd. They are our ally and getting attacked from multiple borders.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Oct 9, 2023 19:38:51 GMT -5
Some Republicans are suggesting that Hamas has sleeper cells crossing into the US across the border with Mexico. Meanwhile, others are looking for explanations for how Hamas evaded Israeli intelligence in planning their attack, and suggesting that the intel Trump shared with Putin may have been given to Iran and then to Hamas: Donald Trump's Israel Intel Leak Under Scrutiny After Hamas Attack www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-israel-intel-russia-hamas-attack-1833094well? It was a huge intelligence failure on the US's part. When you have an open border and people that despise the US what do you think is going to happen?
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