Women's College Hoops 23-24

[bluepenquin]

Looking forward to the tournament (way more than the Men's side). I have only seen 3 games all season (3 more than the men's side).

I hope LSU, Iowa, USC, and South Carolina are in different sides of the bracket so they can all 4 make the final four. I will naturally be pulling for LSU and for anyone playing South Carolina. I do enjoy watching Clark play - and hope to get a chance to see the Watkins.

[trojansc]

Mar 11, 2024 10:13:11 GMT -5 bluepenquin said:

Looking forward to the tournament (way more than the Men's side). I have only seen 3 games all season (3 more than the men's side).

I hope LSU, Iowa, USC, and South Carolina are in different sides of the bracket so they can all 4 make the final four. I will naturally be pulling for LSU and for anyone playing South Carolina. I do enjoy watching Clark play - and hope to get a chance to see the Watkins.

USC, Iowa, and South Carolina will/should all be 1-seeds. LSU won't be placed in South Carolina's region, which is nice. Right now, the Bracketologist has South Carolina/Ohio State, Iowa/UCLA, Stanford/LSU, and USC/Texas as the potential Elite 8 matches if all of the brackets went Chalk.. great 1-2 pairings.

I really like NCAA Basketball Bracketing principles the more I think about it, they really spread teams/conferences around and prevent any potential conference re-match from happening until late in the tournament.

[bbg95]

Mar 11, 2024 10:34:35 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Mar 11, 2024 10:13:11 GMT -5 bluepenquin said:

Looking forward to the tournament (way more than the Men's side). I have only seen 3 games all season (3 more than the men's side).

I hope LSU, Iowa, USC, and South Carolina are in different sides of the bracket so they can all 4 make the final four. I will naturally be pulling for LSU and for anyone playing South Carolina. I do enjoy watching Clark play - and hope to get a chance to see the Watkins.

USC, Iowa, and South Carolina will/should all be 1-seeds. LSU won't be placed in South Carolina's region, which is nice. Right now, the Bracketologist has South Carolina/Ohio State, Iowa/UCLA, Stanford/LSU, and USC/Texas as the potential Elite 8 matches if all of the brackets went Chalk.. great 1-2 pairings.

I really like NCAA Basketball Bracketing principles the more I think about it, they really spread teams/conferences around and prevent any potential conference re-match from happening until late in the tournament.

I couldn't remember exactly what the principles were that govern teams from the same conference, so I looked them up:

Each of the first four teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regions if they are seeded on the first four lines.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional final if they played each other three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional semifinals if they played each other twice during the regular season and conference tournament.

Teams from the same conference may play each other as early as the second round if they played no more than once during the regular season and conference tournament.

Any principle can be relaxed if two or more teams from the same conference are among the last four at-large seeded teams participating in the First Four.

Yeah, this seems to be a good way to go about it.

[trojansc]

Mar 11, 2024 11:13:27 GMT -5 bbg95 said:

I couldn't remember exactly what the principles were that govern teams from the same conference, so I looked them up:

Each of the first four teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regions if they are seeded on the first four lines.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional final if they played each other three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional semifinals if they played each other twice during the regular season and conference tournament.

Teams from the same conference may play each other as early as the second round if they played no more than once during the regular season and conference tournament.

Any principle can be relaxed if two or more teams from the same conference are among the last four at-large seeded teams participating in the First Four.

Yeah, this seems to be a good way to go about it.

I'm looking at the women's one now, which is only slightly different than the men's (the women host 1st+2nd round, so it makes sense to have some differences): www.ncaa.com/_flysystem/public-s3/files/2022-10/NCAA-DI-womens-basketball-principles-procedures-2023.pdf

I thought these were all interesting:

• For the regional competition, a team may not be assigned to play in any arena in which it has played
more than three regular-season games, not including conference post-season tournaments.

• A team, outside of the top four seed lines, may be moved one bracket line from its true seed line (e.g.,
from a No. 13 seed line to a No. 12 seed line) when it is placed in the bracket, if necessary to meet the principles.

• If possible, avoid rematches of regular-season games in the First Four games and first- and second-rounds.

• Avoiding rematches of previous years’ tournament games in the first- and second-rounds.

• After examining the previous two years’ brackets, the committee shall attempt to avoid moving teams or
conferences out of its natural region or geographic area an inordinate number of times

• After the top four seed lines have been assigned, the committee will review the relative strengths of the

regional pods by adding the “true” seed numbers in each regional pod to determine if any severe numerical

imbalance exists. Generally, no more than five points should separate the lowest and highest total.

I'm really wondering if volleyball could apply these principles. Heck, maybe I'm asking too much. The volleyball committee was too lazy to even come up with a 'first four out' and did a freaking 'first eight out' in no specific order.

I'm not crazy about the avoiding regular season-game rematches, that's not really a big deal to me (except for the ones that are in-conference, obviously). 

[sclawman]

Brenda Frese is the only current coach besides Geno, Mulkey, Staley or Tara to win a national championship. So I'll take those 4 coaches'teams against the rest of the field.

[bbg95]

Mar 11, 2024 11:21:34 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Mar 11, 2024 11:13:27 GMT -5 bbg95 said:

I couldn't remember exactly what the principles were that govern teams from the same conference, so I looked them up:
Yeah, this seems to be a good way to go about it.

I'm looking at the women's one now, which is only slightly different than the men's (the women host 1st+2nd round, so it makes sense to have some differences): www.ncaa.com/_flysystem/public-s3/files/2022-10/NCAA-DI-womens-basketball-principles-procedures-2023.pdf

I thought these were all interesting:

• For the regional competition, a team may not be assigned to play in any arena in which it has played
more than three regular-season games, not including conference post-season tournaments.

• A team, outside of the top four seed lines, may be moved one bracket line from its true seed line (e.g.,
from a No. 13 seed line to a No. 12 seed line) when it is placed in the bracket, if necessary to meet the principles.

• If possible, avoid rematches of regular-season games in the First Four games and first- and second-rounds.

• Avoiding rematches of previous years’ tournament games in the first- and second-rounds.

• After examining the previous two years’ brackets, the committee shall attempt to avoid moving teams or
conferences out of its natural region or geographic area an inordinate number of times

• After the top four seed lines have been assigned, the committee will review the relative strengths of the

regional pods by adding the “true” seed numbers in each regional pod to determine if any severe numerical

imbalance exists. Generally, no more than five points should separate the lowest and highest total.

I'm really wondering if volleyball could apply these principles. Heck, maybe I'm asking too much. The volleyball committee was too lazy to even come up with a 'first four out' and did a freaking 'first eight out' in no specific order.

I'm not crazy about the avoiding regular season-game rematches, that's not really a big deal to me (except for the ones that are in-conference, obviously). 

Oh, right. I completely forgot that the women still host in the first two rounds.

[trojansc]

The AAC Women's Basketball Tournament is bonkers.

Teams in the semifinals:

10th-seed Rice knocked out #2 North Texas (and #7 UAB)
9th-seed East Carolina knocked out #1 Tulsa(and #8 Memphis)
4th-seed UTSA went chalk

The 4th team to join the semifinals will either be *14th-seed* Tulane or 3rd-seed Temple. 14th-seed Tulane has already pulled two upsets - they beat 11-seed SMU and 6-seed Charlotte.

Tulane-Temple are currently in TRIPLE Overtime.

3rd-seed Temple hangs on. What a run by Tulane though, that almost set up 10 vs. 14 in the semis!

[volleynerd]

in a world of Kim Mulkey's be a Muffet McGraw

x.com/LaChinaRobinson/status/1767267799003468005?s=20

[volleynerd]

so Kardoso is ineligible to participate in the team's first round contest

[volleynerd]

at first I was like no way USC will be a 1 seed but I also had no clue about this until now that USC leads the nation in Quad 1 wins with 8

they did also win the tournament in the toughest conference this year
SC, IA, STAN & SC are def all deserving of Top Seeds

LSU I dont see any higher than 3- they only have ONE quad 1 win

Notre Dame crashed the party and I could see being a TWO seed, as the Irish are on quite the rampage.... Wins over Louisville x2, Virginia Tech x2, NC State,

[volleynerd]

Connecticut is interesting, they dominated their conference, picked up SOME wins OOC but not enough (do have a #2 NET and a Top10 SOS) and all losses are to projected 1-3 seeds

[trojansc]

The AAC tournament wild-ness continues.

9th-seed East Carolina was down 9 points into the 4th quarter, but rallied back to win and head to the title game.
10th-seed Rice held off a Temple comeback and survived to advance to the title game.

#9 ECU vs. #10 Rice for the AAC Automatic Bid.

[trojansc]

Mar 12, 2024 8:41:08 GMT -5 volleynerd said:

at first I was like no way USC will be a 1 seed but I also had no clue about this until now that USC leads the nation in Quad 1 wins with 8

they did also win the tournament in the toughest conference this year
SC, IA, STAN & SC are def all deserving of Top Seeds

LSU I dont see any higher than 3- they only have ONE quad 1 win

Does WBB use the same quad metric that the men do?

Because if so, Quad 1 wins are (1-30 home, 1-50 neutral, and 1-75 road).

[bbg95]

Mar 13, 2024 13:47:57 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Mar 12, 2024 8:41:08 GMT -5 volleynerd said:

at first I was like no way USC will be a 1 seed but I also had no clue about this until now that USC leads the nation in Quad 1 wins with 8

they did also win the tournament in the toughest conference this year
SC, IA, STAN & SC are def all deserving of Top Seeds

LSU I dont see any higher than 3- they only have ONE quad 1 win

Does WBB use the same quad metric that the men do?

Because if so, Quad 1 wins are (1-30 home, 1-50 neutral, and 1-75 road).

I'm pretty sure it's the same. LSU's team sheet can be seen here. It looks like they're 8-5 in Q1.

[jayz34]

Almost time!