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Post by MVBFAN on Apr 26, 2024 8:26:02 GMT -5
Also the heart and gsac will not combine lol
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Post by MVBFAN on Apr 26, 2024 9:19:31 GMT -5
Saint Katherine closing
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Post by heyyouguuuuys on Apr 26, 2024 9:38:39 GMT -5
I think it is widely regarded The Master's and Vanguard are the favorites to win this whole song and dance. However, there are so many elite teams here that I think someone could make things interesting! My "darkhorses" are:
1. Ottowa AZ: Not sure this is even dark-horse, they are supremely talented, having gone tight with Master's and Vanguard in all but 2 sets of their losses, also beating Vanguard and various other high ranking teams. With an amazingly well-rounded setter and high yield outsides, zero reason to call this a full-blown upset. 2. Georgetown: This is contingent on them beating Vanguard, but if they do that right away puts them in discussion. Huge middles who block well and our efficient on the swings they get, strong play from RS, and an elite team-carrying outside. Round that out with a gutsy libero and TWO SOY caliber setters, and you have veteran team with all the pieces to do something crazy as the kids would say. 3. St. Xavier: Well-coached, filthy outside and libero, and strong players in every other spot form a thought team to beat. Plus, getting healthy and strong at the right time. No team last year brought as much energy or passion at Nationals. Poised to win that pool AND knock some people off at the top to bring the title back to the midwest.
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Post by nslot on Apr 26, 2024 10:45:17 GMT -5
So total national bids is a ratio between number of NAIA team with Men's volleyball they want it between 18-22% of total teams. It is important to the NAIA that at large bids be permitted and when they jumped for 8-12 it was mostly to make sure at larges could stay afloat. This year there were 61 NAIA team so 19.6 % of the field makes the national tournament. Next Year for sure we lose Menlo and Vanguard. I think you will continue to see school migrate towards D2 for example Jamestown is set to follow in 2025-2026. Schools that i know of that are adding men's volleyball programs Carolina University Entered the NAIA and had an existing team assume they will join the ACC Oakland City will join the River states - Formally know as the Mid South IUE will join the River states Brewton Parker will Join the ACC St. Thomas Will join the ACC I expect there to be maybe 65 teams next year meaning the 12 teams is still inside an acceptable % of the field 18% Auto bids will change though; ACC - Bluefield, Carolina, St. Andrews, Truett, Rienhardt, Life, Brewton Parker, Warner, Webber, St Thomas (10 teams - 1 Bid) River States- Cumberland, Campbellsville, Georgetown, Midway, Brecisa, Oakland City, Rio, IUE, St. Mary of the Woods (9 teams- 1 Bid) WHAC - Lawerence Tech, Lourdes, Indiana Tech, Goshen, Mount Vernon, Sienna Hieghts, Conerstone, Aquanis, Bethel (9 Teams - 1 Bid) Chicago Land - St. Xaiver, Calumet, Olivet, Judson, Trinity, St Ambrose, Viterbo, Roosevelt (8 teams 1 bid) Great plains- Jamestown, Dordt, Morningside, Ottawa, Central Christian (5 Team 0 bids) Heart - Grandview, Penn, Park, Movalley, Mount Mercy, Mo Bap, UHSP, Clarke, Graceland, Culver-stockton, Kansas Wesleyan( 11 teams -1 Bid) GSAC- OUAZ, Masters, Hope international, Arizona Christian (4 teams 0 Bids) CAL-PAC- UC Merced, Westcliff, BenU, St Katherine, Pacific Union, Simpson, Park Gilbert( 7 teams 1 bid) So as it stand there will be 6 at large bid and 1 host bid. I anticipate you will see major structural change in the Conference. Most likely the GSAC and CAL Pac combine but its to the determine of the CAL PAC as if those confences where combined this year Menlo would have gotten in over any of them. Something also will need to change for the Great plains especially with an emending exist from Jamestown they will be down to 4 and may be force to merge with the Heart cause them to climb to 15 in years to come. I could also see a split in the AAC future. You have 3 NAIA teams in florida with 2 non AAC member in GA (Life and Brewton Parker) if another florida school pulls the trigger it would vastly improve there travel to break away. Leaving the other 5 remaining AAC school looking for 1 more to give them a Bid. Talladega is also applying joining the AAC, at least temporarily while they finalize a D2 transition, giving them 11 possible if all 4 teams get accepted. I've heard that this isnt true Bluefield -7:30 hours carolina University - 7:30 hours Warner and Webber - 9:30 hours St. Andrews - 7 hours St. Thomas University -12 hours Rienhardt, Truett and Life - 2 hours Brewton Parker - 5 hours 6 of the 9 school would have to add an additional 7:30 trip minimum. Its not an accident that webber barely plays anyone they are trying to not spend money. I can't see this happening especially to a school that you know is a one year rental that does get you a second auto bid. If they went divisional to try and reduce travel how would that break ? South ST. thomas- Webber- Warner- Brewton Parker- Taladiga North Rienhardt- Life, Truett, CArolina Bluefield, St. Andrews West Truett, Rienhardt, Life, Taladiga, Brewton Parker East Bluefield St.Andrews , Carolina, Webber, Warner , St. Thomas Just seems impractical for an already sprawling conference
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Post by heyyouguuuuys on Apr 26, 2024 10:51:14 GMT -5
Talladega is also applying joining the AAC, at least temporarily while they finalize a D2 transition, giving them 11 possible if all 4 teams get accepted. I've heard that this isnt true Bluefield -7:30 hours carolina University - 7:30 hours Warner and Webber - 9:30 hours St. Andrews - 7 hours St. Thomas University -12 hours Rienhardt, Truett and Life - 2 hours Brewton Parker - 5 hours 6 of the 9 school would have to add an additional 7:30 trip minimum. Its not an accident that webber barely plays anyone they are trying to not spend money. I can't see this happening especially to a school that you know is a one year rental that does get you a second auto bid. If they went divisional to try and reduce travel how would that break ? South ST. thomas- Webber- Warner- Brewton Parker- Taladiga North Rienhardt- Life, Truett, CArolina Bluefield, St. Andrews West Truett, Rienhardt, Life, Taladiga, Brewton Parker East Bluefield St.Andrews , Carolina, Webber, Warner , St. Thomas Just seems impractical for an already sprawling conference So...all 4 have applied, but everything is up in the air. No official word on acceptance until June, but all 4 have a chance as the AAC wants to grow. It would be two divisions with Pods for cross division play (remember most current AAC schools were Mid-South schools where this was common). It's a MASSIVE conference, but the AAC as a regular conference hasn't had a problem with that. The goal is with a few more schools adding to the conference and expressing interest, being at 12 or more by Fall 2025, so getting close to that now to set structure. The conference is in a spot where all 4 may join, or none...just a matter of presidents vote.
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Post by photogirl on Apr 26, 2024 11:43:49 GMT -5
I think it is widely regarded The Master's and Vanguard are the favorites to win this whole song and dance. However, there are so many elite teams here that I think someone could make things interesting! My "darkhorses" are: 1. Ottowa AZ: Not sure this is even dark-horse, they are supremely talented, having gone tight with Master's and Vanguard in all but 2 sets of their losses, also beating Vanguard and various other high ranking teams. With an amazingly well-rounded setter and high yield outsides, zero reason to call this a full-blown upset. 2. Georgetown: This is contingent on them beating Vanguard, but if they do that right away puts them in discussion. Huge middles who block well and our efficient on the swings they get, strong play from RS, and an elite team-carrying outside. Round that out with a gutsy libero and TWO SOY caliber setters, and you have veteran team with all the pieces to do something crazy as the kids would say. 3. St. Xavier: Well-coached, filthy outside and libero, and strong players in every other spot form a thought team to beat. Plus, getting healthy and strong at the right time. No team last year brought as much energy or passion at Nationals. Poised to win that pool AND knock some people off at the top to bring the title back to the midwest. Completely agree with this. I was already going to alter my prediction on the OUAZ vs William Penn matchup to OUAZ winning in 5 (I think I was weighing the Blake Music injury too much). OUAZ still has a top three setter and dominate outsides. Georgetown is a team that if they are playing their best can beat anyone. Georgetown leaping Jamestown in the seeding was very strange and moved them out of Pool A is a big benefit to The Master's and works against Vanguard. I still think Vanguard is is going to be very tough to beat and I have them winning 3-1. If Georgetown does pull off the upset, it means they are playing at their best and I would expect them to make it to the finals. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Saint Xavier pulls off the upset against Grand View and wins Pool C. I think their run would end in the semis. I don't think there is any chance of an upset in Pool A. Mainly due to The Master's but also the competition.
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Post by nslot on Apr 26, 2024 14:11:26 GMT -5
I've heard that this isnt true Bluefield -7:30 hours carolina University - 7:30 hours Warner and Webber - 9:30 hours St. Andrews - 7 hours St. Thomas University -12 hours Rienhardt, Truett and Life - 2 hours Brewton Parker - 5 hours 6 of the 9 school would have to add an additional 7:30 trip minimum. Its not an accident that webber barely plays anyone they are trying to not spend money. I can't see this happening especially to a school that you know is a one year rental that does get you a second auto bid. If they went divisional to try and reduce travel how would that break ? South ST. thomas- Webber- Warner- Brewton Parker- Taladiga North Rienhardt- Life, Truett, CArolina Bluefield, St. Andrews West Truett, Rienhardt, Life, Taladiga, Brewton Parker East Bluefield St.Andrews , Carolina, Webber, Warner , St. Thomas Just seems impractical for an already sprawling conference So...all 4 have applied, but everything is up in the air. No official word on acceptance until June, but all 4 have a chance as the AAC wants to grow. It would be two divisions with Pods for cross division play (remember most current AAC schools were Mid-South schools where this was common). It's a MASSIVE conference, but the AAC as a regular conference hasn't had a problem with that. The goal is with a few more schools adding to the conference and expressing interest, being at 12 or more by Fall 2025, so getting close to that now to set structure. The conference is in a spot where all 4 may join, or none...just a matter of presidents vote. I'm not sure what your sources are but ive heard the opposite. The voting member would be AAC schools so that would be St. Andrews, Reinhardt, Bluefield and Truett. Only 1 of those schools is thriving finically. i believe that Carolina has applied to the ACC for all sports and i have heard nothing but reason why the AAC won't accept them. Some AAC members actively prevent there teams from playing at Carolina due to previous altercations. Logistically it makes by far the most sense. Brewton Parker and St. Thomas have no where else to go and are essentially at the Mercy of the AAC. If the AAC voted to not accept them i would anticipate an instant coo from the other non AAC memebers: Life, Webber, Warner who would team up with those two and Talladaga to From there own conference with the hopes of Kieser or another well of florida school adding mens volleyball for 2025-2026. The AAC has not been okay with being massive, numerous school have restrictions on non conference travel that massively impedes there ability to play other non AAC teams. Additionally AAC member schools like Milligan, and Tennessee Wesleyan have shelved their programs as simply they are not willing to travel to Florida annually. The mid south was over 12 and the AAC teams walk away hoping to grow there actually AAC conference members which has not happened at all. Both Columbia international, and Tennessee weslyan said they would add and have not. Milligan has a mens JV team that been around longer then most programs in the NAIA. I can't see a senario where they get to 12 rather this massive geographical conference splitting into two seems way more likely by the Fall of 2025
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Post by splatterjack on Apr 26, 2024 15:46:18 GMT -5
I think it is widely regarded The Master's and Vanguard are the favorites to win this whole song and dance. However, there are so many elite teams here that I think someone could make things interesting! My "darkhorses" are: 1. Ottowa AZ: Not sure this is even dark-horse, they are supremely talented, having gone tight with Master's and Vanguard in all but 2 sets of their losses, also beating Vanguard and various other high ranking teams. With an amazingly well-rounded setter and high yield outsides, zero reason to call this a full-blown upset. 2. Georgetown: This is contingent on them beating Vanguard, but if they do that right away puts them in discussion. Huge middles who block well and our efficient on the swings they get, strong play from RS, and an elite team-carrying outside. Round that out with a gutsy libero and TWO SOY caliber setters, and you have veteran team with all the pieces to do something crazy as the kids would say. 3. St. Xavier: Well-coached, filthy outside and libero, and strong players in every other spot form a thought team to beat. Plus, getting healthy and strong at the right time. No team last year brought as much energy or passion at Nationals. Poised to win that pool AND knock some people off at the top to bring the title back to the midwest. Completely agree with this. I was already going to alter my prediction on the OUAZ vs William Penn matchup to OUAZ winning in 5 (I think I was weighing the Blake Music injury too much). OUAZ still has a top three setter and dominate outsides. Georgetown is a team that if they are playing their best can beat anyone. Georgetown leaping Jamestown in the seeding was very strange and moved them out of Pool A is a big benefit to The Master's and works against Vanguard. I still think Vanguard is is going to be very tough to beat and I have them winning 3-1. If Georgetown does pull off the upset, it means they are playing at their best and I would expect them to make it to the finals. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Saint Xavier pulls off the upset against Grand View and wins Pool C. I think their run would end in the semis. I don't think there is any chance of an upset in Pool A. Mainly due to The Master's but also the competition. The Masters coach Jared Goldberg has alot of influence in NAIA. Dose not suprises me that Georgetown leaped Jamestown in seeding. Look at the GSAC all conference team, almost all The Masters players.
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Post by photogirl on Apr 26, 2024 16:16:17 GMT -5
Completely agree with this. I was already going to alter my prediction on the OUAZ vs William Penn matchup to OUAZ winning in 5 (I think I was weighing the Blake Music injury too much). OUAZ still has a top three setter and dominate outsides. Georgetown is a team that if they are playing their best can beat anyone. Georgetown leaping Jamestown in the seeding was very strange and moved them out of Pool A is a big benefit to The Master's and works against Vanguard. I still think Vanguard is is going to be very tough to beat and I have them winning 3-1. If Georgetown does pull off the upset, it means they are playing at their best and I would expect them to make it to the finals. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Saint Xavier pulls off the upset against Grand View and wins Pool C. I think their run would end in the semis. I don't think there is any chance of an upset in Pool A. Mainly due to The Master's but also the competition. The Masters coach Jared Goldberg has alot of influence in NAIA. Dose not suprises me that Georgetown leaped Jamestown in seeding. Look at the GSAC all conference team, almost all The Masters players. I have thought the same thing but wasn't going to say anything but now that the cat is out of the bag, I fully believe Goldberg talked Georgetown up during the seeding meetings to get them moved up to 7th and out of his pool (as it would have been had the seeding committee stayed with the national rankings). Bonus for The Master's is that it put Georgetown in the pool of their biggest threat in Vanguard. Two bird one stone? I am sure that the seeding committee can't talk about their own team but doesn't mean they can't influence the seeding of other teams that could benefit them.
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Post by franknvb on Apr 26, 2024 17:00:55 GMT -5
Completely agree with this. I was already going to alter my prediction on the OUAZ vs William Penn matchup to OUAZ winning in 5 (I think I was weighing the Blake Music injury too much). OUAZ still has a top three setter and dominate outsides. Georgetown is a team that if they are playing their best can beat anyone. Georgetown leaping Jamestown in the seeding was very strange and moved them out of Pool A is a big benefit to The Master's and works against Vanguard. I still think Vanguard is is going to be very tough to beat and I have them winning 3-1. If Georgetown does pull off the upset, it means they are playing at their best and I would expect them to make it to the finals. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Saint Xavier pulls off the upset against Grand View and wins Pool C. I think their run would end in the semis. I don't think there is any chance of an upset in Pool A. Mainly due to The Master's but also the competition. The Masters coach Jared Goldberg has alot of influence in NAIA. Dose not suprises me that Georgetown leaped Jamestown in seeding. Look at the GSAC all conference team, almost all The Masters players. When did he get these magical powers? Certainly didn't have them last year, Master's was not put in the proper seeding last year
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Post by photogirl on Apr 26, 2024 17:31:37 GMT -5
The Masters coach Jared Goldberg has alot of influence in NAIA. Dose not suprises me that Georgetown leaped Jamestown in seeding. Look at the GSAC all conference team, almost all The Masters players. When did he get these magical powers? Certainly didn't have them last year, Master's was not put in the proper seeding last year What makes you think The Master's wasn't in the proper seeding last year? I am sure you felt like they should have been seeded #1 because they had beat BenU Mesa earlier in the year and Vanguard in the GSAC finals. Or maybe you think #4 ranked Master's should have been seeded behind #3 Park, who won the Heart in 2023. If you watched Goldberg's own show on The Master's youtube channel with a former member of the selection committee from the Sunday before the selection show, it was pretty evident that The Master's was going to be seeded #3 (behind #1 BenU Mesa and #2 Vanguard) even though they had just beat Vanguard, Vanguard had swept them the prior two meetings and was ranked higher in the final poll. Watching, you could also see that Goldberg expected to be seeded #1 (so his magical powers had not grown to their full potential yet ;0) ). Now to what I think we can agree on, The Master's and Vanguard were by far the two best teams last year and the epic semi final between the two was what decided the national championship. Whomever won that match was better than BenU Mesa and the only reason the finals went 5, was Vanguard was worn out in their semi, while Benu had an easy match against Park. Had Will Avera not go hurt in the tournaments first match against Indiana Tech, it is possible we have a different champion.
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Post by franknvb on Apr 26, 2024 18:28:52 GMT -5
When did he get these magical powers? Certainly didn't have them last year, Master's was not put in the proper seeding last year What makes you think The Master's wasn't in the proper seeding last year? I am sure you felt like they should have been seeded #1 because they had beat BenU Mesa earlier in the year and Vanguard in the GSAC finals. Or maybe you think #4 ranked Master's should have been seeded behind #3 Park, who won the Heart in 2023. If you watched Goldberg's own show on The Master's youtube channel with a former member of the selection committee from the Sunday before the selection show, it was pretty evident that The Master's was going to be seeded #3 (behind #1 BenU Mesa and #2 Vanguard) even though they had just beat Vanguard, Vanguard had swept them the prior two meetings and was ranked higher in the final poll. Watching, you could also see that Goldberg expected to be seeded #1 (so his magical powers had not grown to their full potential yet ;0) ). Now to what I think we can agree on, The Master's and Vanguard were by far the two best teams last year and the epic semi final between the two was what decided the national championship. Whomever won that match was better than BenU Mesa and the only reason the finals went 5, was Vanguard was worn out in their semi, while Benu had an easy match against Park. Had Will Avera not go hurt in the tournaments first match against Indiana Tech, it is possible we have a different champion. It should have been Vanguard 1, masters 2 and Ben u 3rd. Ben U lost the heads up matches. This kept an all gsac final
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Post by photogirl on Apr 26, 2024 19:09:31 GMT -5
What makes you think The Master's wasn't in the proper seeding last year? I am sure you felt like they should have been seeded #1 because they had beat BenU Mesa earlier in the year and Vanguard in the GSAC finals. Or maybe you think #4 ranked Master's should have been seeded behind #3 Park, who won the Heart in 2023. If you watched Goldberg's own show on The Master's youtube channel with a former member of the selection committee from the Sunday before the selection show, it was pretty evident that The Master's was going to be seeded #3 (behind #1 BenU Mesa and #2 Vanguard) even though they had just beat Vanguard, Vanguard had swept them the prior two meetings and was ranked higher in the final poll. Watching, you could also see that Goldberg expected to be seeded #1 (so his magical powers had not grown to their full potential yet ;0) ). Now to what I think we can agree on, The Master's and Vanguard were by far the two best teams last year and the epic semi final between the two was what decided the national championship. Whomever won that match was better than BenU Mesa and the only reason the finals went 5, was Vanguard was worn out in their semi, while Benu had an easy match against Park. Had Will Avera not go hurt in the tournaments first match against Indiana Tech, it is possible we have a different champion. It should have been Vanguard 1, masters 2 and Ben u 3rd. Ben U lost the heads up matches. This kept an all gsac final No way Vanguard and Masters should have been seeded above BenU Mesa last year (even though I think they were both better at the end of the year). BenU had ben ranked #1 for two polls in a row going into nationals and held a 2-1 head to head over Vanguard. Masters had a case to be above BenU (head to head win in controversial referee fashion, at least IMO, plus an unfortunate injury to Landon Fuller occurred), but they didn't have a great case to move above Vanguard (other than the most recent match but not when you look at the entirety of the year with two 0-3 loses to Vanguard).
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Post by franknvb on Apr 27, 2024 16:18:01 GMT -5
Crazy dangerous weather for the teams flying in
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Post by bebetter on Apr 27, 2024 17:51:44 GMT -5
Crazy dangerous weather for the teams flying in These SoCal guys flying into their first ever tornado watch. Crazy is right.
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