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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 29, 2023 15:48:51 GMT -5
see below for 3/9 updated rankings, and updated commentary.
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 4, 2023 22:20:51 GMT -5
Later tonight I'll update this to include Nuvali. I have to, since the VBM coverage still does not rank order by 9 events, or by ave finish per event, or show a team's lowest counting finish among top 9. IOW their list is worthless. at least they are covering tne NCAA tournament on overdrive.
Since these were the last points on offer for an undetermined amount of time (2024 VBW Calendar for the Spring is STILL not out), this edit should hold for at least 8-10 weeks.
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Post by acrossthepond on Dec 5, 2023 4:25:30 GMT -5
As I mentioned in some other post, it might be the case that Placette/Richard already counts as the host country team, which in turn would mean that #19 would also qualify via rankings. Currently the official rankings shows for #19 that they would qualify, although it might be the case that this switches once Viera/Chamereau get their 12th result in (they currently have 11 results).
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Post by larabeach on Dec 5, 2023 5:58:06 GMT -5
As I mentioned in some other post, it might be the case that Placette/Richard already counts as the host country team, which in turn would mean that #19 would also qualify via rankings. Currently the official rankings shows for #19 that they would qualify, although it might be the case that this switches once Viera/Chamereau get their 12th result in (they currently have 11 results). In VW.tv, While commentating one of their matches in Nuvali (I think it was the semis vs Spain). Travis mentioned (once again) that Placette/Richard finishing top 18 would mean a second olympic spot for France. And he joked that Viera/Chamereau must be their contrywomen biggest fans right now. I still have some doubts, you presented strong evidence there, but my reading of the (not-so-clear) rules agrees with him.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 6, 2024 22:18:29 GMT -5
bump
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 7, 2024 13:21:24 GMT -5
I'll update again after the tournament.
SUI2/SUI3: For now, SUI2 goes home, and remains at 5500. However, SUI3, Joanouk, advanced out of Pool to Championship round, earning a minimum of 600, replacing a low finish of 460, for a new minimum total of Best 9 of 5620. SUI3 is the new SUI2, knocking Esmee/Zoe back to SUI3, with about eight tournaments to go in this race.
GER2: Lippmann/Ludwig advance out of Pool, thus picking up min. 600, to replace their low counter of 240. Their new minimum Best 9 is now 5340, putting them just behind FRA in position 16 in the Top 9 finishes rankings. .
LAT: picks up minimum 760 for advancing directly from winning Pool into Quarterfinals. This replaces their low counter of 460, giving them a new minimun Top 9 of 6700.
Aside from SUI3 (now SUI2), and GER2, None of the other teams on the bubble, that is from positions 13-23 in Top 9 finishes, is into the Final 12.
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Post by dunninla3 on Mar 9, 2024 22:10:19 GMT -5
Olympic Beach Volleyball Rankings, table updated 3/9 after Doha, remarks updated 3/9. Women's Top 25, by Top 9 finishes. I used Across the Pond's Top 9 listing here fivb.12ndr.at/olympic-ranking/women . Lowest finish among the 9 counting finishes is found manually. To account for one team (AUS) that does not have 9 finishes, I made the assumption that the worst they will finish in playing tournament 9 is to add points that match their worst finish of the season. Women's Rankings, Top 9 finishes / Lowest finish among Top 9 1. BRA1, AP / Duda, 10300, 760 2. USA1, Nuss / Kloth, 8900, 600 3. USA2, Hughes / Cheng, 8840, 760 4. CAN1, Melissa / Brandie, 8000, 760 5. BRA2, Carol / Barbara, 7920, 760 6. NED, Stam / Schoon, 7380, 600 7. AUS, Clancy / Mariafe, 7380, (6780 + 600) -- note: (have played only 8, assumes 9th finish will equal lowest counting) 8. CHN, Xue / Xia, 6880, 600 9. ITA, Gottardi / Menegatti, 6880, 600 10. SUI1, Hüberli / Brunner, 7100, 600 11. LAT, Graudina / Samoilova, 6840, 600 12. GER1, Müller / Tillmann, 6500, 460 xx. BRA3, Taina / Victoria, 6340, 460 xx. BRA4, Agatha / Rebecca, 5940, 460 xx. USA3, Scoles / Flint, 5820, 460 13. SUI2, Joana / Anouk, 5620, 460 14. GER2, Lippmann / Ludwig, 5500, 360 xx. SUI3, Esmée / Zoé, 5500, 460 15. ESP, Alvarez / Moreno, 5460, 460 16. FRA, Placette / Richard, 5400, 460 xx. BRA5, Andressa / Vitoria, 5160, 460 17. FIN, Ahtiainen / Lahti, 4900, 460 18. LTU, Paulikiene / Raupelyte 4900, 460 ----------- xx. GER3, Ittlinger / Borger, 4800, 360 19. CAN2, Pavan / McBain, 4720, 340 20. POL, Gruszczynska / Wachowicz, 4680, 360 21. CZE, Hermannova / Stochlova, 4680, 360 22. AUT, Klinger / Klinger, 4480, 360 xx. BRA6, Talita / Thamela, 4440, 460 23. ESP2, Liliana / Paula, 4420, 400 24. THA, Nara / Wora, 4420, 300 25. CHN2, Wang / Dong, 4260, 300 Since the World Champion team is included in this list, the last qualifier on Points will be the team 18th in the rankings rather than 17th. Intra-country Races Brazilian women are notable in having six teams among the Top 27, including teams excluded by country quota of two teams. BRA2 just won Doha, so the race for the BRA2 spot is now over. USA: The race for USA2 is also over. The gap is over 2500 points. The team is no longer playing FIVB... I think Scoles had a procedure for her knee, if I remember correctly. GER: The race for GER2 just changed significantly, as expected, owing to GER3's good finish in Doha. GER3 is now GER2, and in 14th position in the Top 18, with good momentum. Ludwig to my eye is playing better than we last saw this team. Lippmann continues to improve. SUI: As expected SUI3, Joanouk, has surpassed SUI2, Esmee/Zoe. It seems unlikely that Joanouk will not continue to return closer to Top 8 in the world form. Joana looks better every time out. I think the race for SUI2 is now essentially over.
Doha did not see most of the "Bubble Top 18" teams participate. FIN, POL, CZE and CAN2 did not sign up. Of those that did, GER3, ESP, AUT, FRA and LTU, only GER3 improved but the other four did not break Qualis. In two weeks in the two BRA Challenge events, then two weeks later at the Guadalajara Challenge, we will see a chance for all of these Bubble teams to improve points and position in the Paris rankings. Those 3 Challenges are huge opportunities given how cheaply Challenge points can be attained.
Teams rank ordered 15-22 are all within 1000 points of each other. Of more significance, teams ranked 19-24 are all within a mere 560 points of matching teams #17/18 at 4900 points. The womens' race for Paris is going to involved about eight teams and will likely still involve at least five teams for the 18th spot all the way into June. The team that closed the gap the most in the Fall, to enter into spot #18 is CAN2. They now sit at 4720 and are just 180 points shy of breaking into the Top 18. Plus, they have a low counter of 340, so their next tournament is likely to gain them net Top 9 points. I would bet on CAN2 to surpass either LTU or FIN and make it to Paris.
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Post by ajm on Mar 9, 2024 23:32:51 GMT -5
Pavan/McBain took a risk by dropping out of Doha and they got lucky, as none of the teams in the 17-22 range made much of a movement. But they’ll need to show up to both Brazil Challengers and finish strong, as all those teams will be there. The race for those last 2-4 spots is going to be wild!
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Post by guest2 on Mar 9, 2024 23:50:07 GMT -5
Olympic Beach Volleyball Rankings, table updated 3/9 after Doha, remarks updated 3/9. Women's Top 25, by Top 9 finishes. I used Across the Pond's Top 9 listing here fivb.12ndr.at/olympic-ranking/women . Lowest finish among the 9 counting finishes is found manually. To account for one team (AUS) that does not have 9 finishes, I made the assumption that the worst they will finish in playing tournament 9 is to add points that match their worst finish of the season. Women's Rankings, Top 9 finishes / Lowest finish among Top 9 1. BRA1, AP / Duda, 10300, 760 2. USA1, Nuss / Kloth, 8900, 600 3. USA2, Hughes / Cheng, 8840, 760 4. CAN1, Melissa / Brandie, 8000, 760 5. BRA2, Carol / Barbara, 7920, 760 6. NED, Stam / Schoon, 7380, 600 7. AUS, Clancy / Mariafe, 7380, (6780 + 600) -- note: (have played only 8, assumes 9th finish will equal lowest counting) 8. CHN, Xue / Xia, 6880, 600 9. ITA, Gottardi / Menegatti, 6880, 600 10. SUI1, Hüberli / Brunner, 7100, 600 11. LAT, Graudina / Samoilova, 6840, 600 12. GER1, Müller / Tillmann, 6500, 460 xx. BRA3, Taina / Victoria, 6340, 460 xx. BRA4, Agatha / Rebecca, 5940, 460 xx. USA3, Scoles / Flint, 5820, 460 13. SUI2, Joana / Anouk, 5620, 460 14. GER2, Lippmann / Ludwig, 5500, 360 xx. SUI3, Esmée / Zoé, 5500, 460 15. ESP, Alvarez / Moreno, 5460, 460 16. FRA, Placette / Richard, 5400, 460 xx. BRA5, Andressa / Vitoria, 5160, 460 17. FIN, Ahtiainen / Lahti, 4900, 460 18. LTU, Paulikiene / Raupelyte 4900, 460 ----------- xx. GER3, Ittlinger / Borger, 4800, 360 19. CAN2, Pavan / McBain, 4720, 340 20. POL, Gruszczynska / Wachowicz, 4680, 360 21. CZE, Hermannova / Stochlova, 4680, 360 22. AUT, Klinger / Klinger, 4480, 360 xx. BRA6, Talita / Thamela, 4440, 460 23. ESP2, Liliana / Paula, 4420, 400 24. THA, Nara / Wora, 4420, 300 25. CHN2, Wang / Dong, 4260, 300 Since the World Champion team is included in this list, the last qualifier on Points will be the team 18th in the rankings rather than 17th. Intra-country Races Brazilian women are notable in having six teams among the Top 27, including teams excluded by country quota of two teams. However, the gap between BRA2 and BRA3 is 1380 points. Based upon BRA2's consistency, I don't see that as a threat. I think the race for BRA2 is over. USA: The race for USA2 is also over. The gap is over 2500 points. The team is no longer playing FIVB... I think Scoles had a procedure for her knee, if I remember correctly. GER: The race for GER2 just changed significantly, as expected, owing to GER3's good finish in Doha. GER3 is now GER2, and in 14th position in the Top 18, with good momentum. Ludwig to my eye is playing better than we last saw this team. Lippmann continues to improve. SUI: As expected SUI3, Joanouk, has surpassed SUI2, Esmee/Zoe. It seems unlikely that Joanouk will not continue to return closer to Top 8 in the world form. Joana looks better every time out. I think the race for SUI2 is now essentially over. Doha did not see most of the "Bubble Top 18" teams participate. FIN, POL, CZE and CAN2 did not sign up. Of those that did, GER3, ESP, AUT, FRA and LTU, only GER3 improved but the other four did not break Qualis. In two weeks in the two BRA Challenge events, then two weeks later at the Guadalajara Challenge, we will see a chance for all of these Bubble teams to improve points and position in the Paris rankings. Those 3 Challenges are huge opportunities given how cheaply Challenge points can be attained.
Teams rank ordered 15-22 are all within 1000 points of each other. Of more significance, teams ranked 19-24 are all within a mere 560 points of matching teams #17/18 at 4900 points. The womens' race for Paris is going to involved about eight teams and will likely still involve at least five teams for the 18th spot all the way into June. The team that closed the gap the most in the Fall, to enter into spot #18 is CAN2. They now sit at 4720 and are just 180 points shy of breaking into the Top 18. Plus, they have a low counter of 340, so their next tournament is likely to gain them net Top 9 points. I would bet on CAN2 to surpass either LTU or FIN and make it to Paris. Analysis here is spot on, but it also equals "no team with any chance of medaling is still in danger of not qualifying." Whatever interest the qualification race has held in years past, it has none this year.
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Post by maizecrayons on Mar 10, 2024 0:07:08 GMT -5
Olympic Beach Volleyball Rankings, table updated 3/9 after Doha, remarks updated 3/9. Women's Top 25, by Top 9 finishes. I used Across the Pond's Top 9 listing here fivb.12ndr.at/olympic-ranking/women . Lowest finish among the 9 counting finishes is found manually. To account for one team (AUS) that does not have 9 finishes, I made the assumption that the worst they will finish in playing tournament 9 is to add points that match their worst finish of the season. Women's Rankings, Top 9 finishes / Lowest finish among Top 9 1. BRA1, AP / Duda, 10300, 760 2. USA1, Nuss / Kloth, 8900, 600 3. USA2, Hughes / Cheng, 8840, 760 4. CAN1, Melissa / Brandie, 8000, 760 5. BRA2, Carol / Barbara, 7920, 760 6. NED, Stam / Schoon, 7380, 600 7. AUS, Clancy / Mariafe, 7380, (6780 + 600) -- note: (have played only 8, assumes 9th finish will equal lowest counting) 8. CHN, Xue / Xia, 6880, 600 9. ITA, Gottardi / Menegatti, 6880, 600 10. SUI1, Hüberli / Brunner, 7100, 600 11. LAT, Graudina / Samoilova, 6840, 600 12. GER1, Müller / Tillmann, 6500, 460 xx. BRA3, Taina / Victoria, 6340, 460 xx. BRA4, Agatha / Rebecca, 5940, 460 xx. USA3, Scoles / Flint, 5820, 460 13. SUI2, Joana / Anouk, 5620, 460 14. GER2, Lippmann / Ludwig, 5500, 360 xx. SUI3, Esmée / Zoé, 5500, 460 15. ESP, Alvarez / Moreno, 5460, 460 16. FRA, Placette / Richard, 5400, 460 xx. BRA5, Andressa / Vitoria, 5160, 460 17. FIN, Ahtiainen / Lahti, 4900, 460 18. LTU, Paulikiene / Raupelyte 4900, 460 ----------- xx. GER3, Ittlinger / Borger, 4800, 360 19. CAN2, Pavan / McBain, 4720, 340 20. POL, Gruszczynska / Wachowicz, 4680, 360 21. CZE, Hermannova / Stochlova, 4680, 360 22. AUT, Klinger / Klinger, 4480, 360 xx. BRA6, Talita / Thamela, 4440, 460 23. ESP2, Liliana / Paula, 4420, 400 24. THA, Nara / Wora, 4420, 300 25. CHN2, Wang / Dong, 4260, 300 Since the World Champion team is included in this list, the last qualifier on Points will be the team 18th in the rankings rather than 17th. Intra-country Races Brazilian women are notable in having six teams among the Top 27, including teams excluded by country quota of two teams. However, the gap between BRA2 and BRA3 is 1380 points. Based upon BRA2's consistency, I don't see that as a threat. I think the race for BRA2 is over. USA: The race for USA2 is also over. The gap is over 2500 points. The team is no longer playing FIVB... I think Scoles had a procedure for her knee, if I remember correctly. GER: The race for GER2 just changed significantly, as expected, owing to GER3's good finish in Doha. GER3 is now GER2, and in 14th position in the Top 18, with good momentum. Ludwig to my eye is playing better than we last saw this team. Lippmann continues to improve. SUI: As expected SUI3, Joanouk, has surpassed SUI2, Esmee/Zoe. It seems unlikely that Joanouk will not continue to return closer to Top 8 in the world form. Joana looks better every time out. I think the race for SUI2 is now essentially over. Doha did not see most of the "Bubble Top 18" teams participate. FIN, POL, CZE and CAN2 did not sign up. Of those that did, GER3, ESP, AUT, FRA and LTU, only GER3 improved but the other four did not break Qualis. In two weeks in the two BRA Challenge events, then two weeks later at the Guadalajara Challenge, we will see a chance for all of these Bubble teams to improve points and position in the Paris rankings. Those 3 Challenges are huge opportunities given how cheaply Challenge points can be attained.
Teams rank ordered 15-22 are all within 1000 points of each other. Of more significance, teams ranked 19-24 are all within a mere 560 points of matching teams #17/18 at 4900 points. The womens' race for Paris is going to involved about eight teams and will likely still involve at least five teams for the 18th spot all the way into June. The team that closed the gap the most in the Fall, to enter into spot #18 is CAN2. They now sit at 4720 and are just 180 points shy of breaking into the Top 18. Plus, they have a low counter of 340, so their next tournament is likely to gain them net Top 9 points. I would bet on CAN2 to surpass either LTU or FIN and make it to Paris. Analysis here is spot on, but it also equals "no team with any chance of medaling is still in danger of not qualifying." Whatever interest the qualification race has held in years past, it has none this year. Oh come on! Don’t pretend you’re not at least a little interested in seeing whether Pavs qualifies one last time???
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Post by guest2 on Mar 10, 2024 1:38:53 GMT -5
past, it has none this year. Oh come on! Don’t pretend you’re not at least a little interested in seeing whether Pavs qualifies one last time??? I find the Pavs thing sad and depressing. I hope she qualifies, but I also think if she teamed with someone like Laura or Taina, not even a top defender but just a good competent international defender, she could still be in the mix. I think a team like Pavs/Kraft could be as good as Tina/Ana relatively quickly. One more reason to hate country v country
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Post by ajm on Mar 10, 2024 10:28:08 GMT -5
Oh come on! Don’t pretend you’re not at least a little interested in seeing whether Pavs qualifies one last time??? I find the Pavs thing sad and depressing. I hope she qualifies, but I also think if she teamed with someone like Laura or Taina, not even a top defender but just a good competent international defender, she could still be in the mix. I think a team like Pavs/Kraft could be as good as Tina/Ana relatively quickly. One more reason to hate country v country Well, that’s kind of her own fault for burning bridges (reportedly) with all of Canada’s top defenders. The fact that she’s even in a position to qualify with Molly McBain is pretty incredible.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 10, 2024 15:18:26 GMT -5
I find the Pavs thing sad and depressing. I hope she qualifies, but I also think if she teamed with someone like Laura or Taina, not even a top defender but just a good competent international defender, she could still be in the mix. I think a team like Pavs/Kraft could be as good as Tina/Ana relatively quickly. One more reason to hate country v country Well, that’s kind of her own fault for burning bridges (reportedly) with all of Canada’s top defenders. The fact that she’s even in a position to qualify with Molly McBain is pretty incredible. "All of Canada's top defenders" is one person
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Post by ajm on Mar 10, 2024 19:18:17 GMT -5
Well, that’s kind of her own fault for burning bridges (reportedly) with all of Canada’s top defenders. The fact that she’s even in a position to qualify with Molly McBain is pretty incredible. "All of Canada's top defenders" is one person I’d bet Pavan would have her Olympic spot locked up by now with either Sophie or Heather.
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Post by guest2 on Mar 11, 2024 4:09:28 GMT -5
"All of Canada's top defenders" is one person I’d bet Pavan would have her Olympic spot locked up by now with either Sophie or Heather. Why should that matter? Unless your definition of "top defender" includes 20+ people, neither of those ladies are close to being top defenders.
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