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Post by badgerbreath on Mar 29, 2024 18:19:41 GMT -5
Hi Rainbow, is there any way to stream these spring matches? I've not seen anything and there is nothing on BTN+ for the FH match on the 19th yet. They haven't been streaming many spring matches regularly of late, and the ones they do stream are usually on FB. I imagine the FH scrimmage might be streamed, but we may not hear until later.
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 29, 2024 21:40:12 GMT -5
No way are they gonna try Devyn at OH. People float this idea every year, she even does one or two rotations there a year OOC. But it never comes close to happening. She is an enormous talent, but that is not where she could help the team. Orzol is OH2 unless Shadd Ceres makes some incredible progress her first year. There is no way Devyn, who trained all her career as a middle, could play OH at this level. This team has enough talent we don't have to think outside the box.
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Post by tablealgebra on Mar 30, 2024 4:52:24 GMT -5
No way are they gonna try Devyn at OH. People float this idea every year, she even does one or two rotations there a year OOC. But it never comes close to happening. She is an enormous talent, but that is not where she could help the team. Orzol is OH2 unless Shadd Ceres makes some incredible progress her first year. There is no way Devyn, who trained all her career as a middle, could play OH at this level. This team has enough talent we don't have to think outside the box. I don't know that this declaration is true in general. Lots of players switch positions, and it's not like Devyn isn't training the necessary skills. I would be surprised if she doesn't do some passing drills in practice even, though probably not as much as the OH's and DS/L's. It's just that Devyn has not shown particular aptitude for doing any of the OH kind of things at a high enough level - was it Marquette where she did the standard Rotation 1 switch one time and proceeded to hit it right into the block two times in a row (which to be fair, could also be a setting issue)? But just generally, if you're not even switching her to left side in Rotation 1 serve receive, and she's never passed at this level, and rarely plays back row, then there's not a good basis for her switching over to the left.
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 30, 2024 7:49:51 GMT -5
There is no way Devyn, who trained all her career as a middle, could play OH at this level. This team has enough talent we don't have to think outside the box. I don't know that this declaration is true in general. Lots of players switch positions, and it's not like Devyn isn't training the necessary skills. I would be surprised if she doesn't do some passing drills in practice even, though probably not as much as the OH's and DS/L's. It's just that Devyn has not shown particular aptitude for doing any of the OH kind of things at a high enough level - was it Marquette where she did the standard Rotation 1 switch one time and proceeded to hit it right into the block two times in a row (which to be fair, could also be a setting issue)? But just generally, if you're not even switching her to left side in Rotation 1 serve receive, and she's never passed at this level, and rarely plays back row, then there's not a good basis for her switching over to the left. It is so true. No middle ever has switched on a NC caliber team from middle to outside hitter without having played that position a lot in the past at a high level. A middle cannot pass and defend at this level...period. They may pick up the hitting and blocking but will not be able to master the other skills that make an OH unique. I have played high level, coached club and played usav for years. If you know if this happening, tell me. I would love to know it's possible.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 30, 2024 9:29:32 GMT -5
I don't know that this declaration is true in general. Lots of players switch positions, and it's not like Devyn isn't training the necessary skills. I would be surprised if she doesn't do some passing drills in practice even, though probably not as much as the OH's and DS/L's. It's just that Devyn has not shown particular aptitude for doing any of the OH kind of things at a high enough level - was it Marquette where she did the standard Rotation 1 switch one time and proceeded to hit it right into the block two times in a row (which to be fair, could also be a setting issue)? But just generally, if you're not even switching her to left side in Rotation 1 serve receive, and she's never passed at this level, and rarely plays back row, then there's not a good basis for her switching over to the left. It is so true. No middle ever has switched on a NC caliber team from middle to outside hitter without having played that position a lot in the past at a high level. A middle cannot pass and defend at this level...period. They may pick up the hitting and blocking but will not be able to master the other skills that make an OH unique. I have played high level, coached club and played usav for years. If you know if this happening, tell me. I would love to know it's possible. I mean Emily Hartong did for Hawaii. Hawaii is as constantly ranked the years she switched too. She became first team AA.
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Post by 200backer on Mar 30, 2024 12:35:57 GMT -5
I think I’ve asked this but I guess the badgers spring line up will be
MB: booth/Smrek or Robinson RS: Smrek or Robinson OH: Franklin and orzol L: GG S: Anderson
Everyone playing six rotations except the middles with no subs? Unless CC or damrow are back from surgery?
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 30, 2024 13:39:32 GMT -5
It is so true. No middle ever has switched on a NC caliber team from middle to outside hitter without having played that position a lot in the past at a high level. A middle cannot pass and defend at this level...period. They may pick up the hitting and blocking but will not be able to master the other skills that make an OH unique. I have played high level, coached club and played usav for years. If you know if this happening, tell me. I would love to know it's possible. I mean Emily Hartong did for Hawaii. Hawaii is as constantly ranked the years she switched too. She became first team AA. She played both OH and MB in club and high school She also played a bunch of beach vb. 🙄
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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 30, 2024 13:40:37 GMT -5
I mean Emily Hartong did for Hawaii. Hawaii is as constantly ranked the years she switched too. She became first team AA. She played both OH and MB in club and high school She played outside in club and HS? I thought she was only an opposite.
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Post by pancake74 on Mar 30, 2024 14:25:15 GMT -5
I don't know that this declaration is true in general. Lots of players switch positions, and it's not like Devyn isn't training the necessary skills. I would be surprised if she doesn't do some passing drills in practice even, though probably not as much as the OH's and DS/L's. It's just that Devyn has not shown particular aptitude for doing any of the OH kind of things at a high enough level - was it Marquette where she did the standard Rotation 1 switch one time and proceeded to hit it right into the block two times in a row (which to be fair, could also be a setting issue)? But just generally, if you're not even switching her to left side in Rotation 1 serve receive, and she's never passed at this level, and rarely plays back row, then there's not a good basis for her switching over to the left. It is so true. No middle ever has switched on a NC caliber team from middle to outside hitter without having played that position a lot in the past at a high level. A middle cannot pass and defend at this level...period. They may pick up the hitting and blocking but will not be able to master the other skills that make an OH unique. I have played high level, coached club and played usav for years. If you know if this happening, tell me. I would love to know it's possible. Question: what does Devyn as an inexperienced 1st time outside hitter bring to the team that TSC doesn't already do? If you're going to play an inexperienced 3 ro OH, why not use the one already playing that position? I don't see how an OH Devyn makes the team stronger than the other OHs and am kind of confused about why people think this is something Sheffield would do. Robinson was just invited to train with the national team as an opposite, it seems counterintuitive to take away a positional strength for the team.
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Post by tablealgebra on Mar 30, 2024 15:21:43 GMT -5
I don't know that this declaration is true in general. Lots of players switch positions, and it's not like Devyn isn't training the necessary skills. I would be surprised if she doesn't do some passing drills in practice even, though probably not as much as the OH's and DS/L's. It's just that Devyn has not shown particular aptitude for doing any of the OH kind of things at a high enough level - was it Marquette where she did the standard Rotation 1 switch one time and proceeded to hit it right into the block two times in a row (which to be fair, could also be a setting issue)? But just generally, if you're not even switching her to left side in Rotation 1 serve receive, and she's never passed at this level, and rarely plays back row, then there's not a good basis for her switching over to the left. It is so true. No middle ever has switched on a NC caliber team from middle to outside hitter without having played that position a lot in the past at a high level. A middle cannot pass and defend at this level...period. They may pick up the hitting and blocking but will not be able to master the other skills that make an OH unique. I have played high level, coached club and played usav for years. If you know if this happening, tell me. I would love to know it's possible. So basically you're saying you consider Devyn to be a middle playing out of position. I would say that Karch Kiraly and his staff think differently. Also, you don't think I know what the heck I'm talking about (based on pulling the "dude, I coached and played, I know" card). Well, you might be right about that.
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 30, 2024 20:49:02 GMT -5
It is so true. No middle ever has switched on a NC caliber team from middle to outside hitter without having played that position a lot in the past at a high level. A middle cannot pass and defend at this level...period. They may pick up the hitting and blocking but will not be able to master the other skills that make an OH unique. I have played high level, coached club and played usav for years. If you know if this happening, tell me. I would love to know it's possible. So basically you're saying you consider Devyn to be a middle playing out of position. I would say that Karch Kiraly and his staff think differently. Also, you don't think I know what the heck I'm talking about (based on pulling the "dude, I coached and played, I know" card). Well, you might be right about that. LOL Opposites don't pass or defend and Devyn's skill isn't hitting out of system but you go with your bad self. 🤣
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Post by tablealgebra on Mar 30, 2024 21:06:01 GMT -5
So basically you're saying you consider Devyn to be a middle playing out of position. I would say that Karch Kiraly and his staff think differently. Also, you don't think I know what the heck I'm talking about (based on pulling the "dude, I coached and played, I know" card). Well, you might be right about that. LOL Opposites don't pass or defend and Devyn's skill isn't hitting out of system but you go with your bad self. 🤣 I agree that Devyn's particular skill set doesn't translate to OH (also, she was a middle in HS which makes it harder). In fact, you could find that out about two pages ago where I made that argument myself. I'm also saying that claiming that the switch in general is impossible is going too far. Plenty of opposites pass (though yes, generally they don't), play back row and terminate out of system.
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Post by SportyBucky on Mar 30, 2024 21:15:05 GMT -5
LOL Opposites don't pass or defend and Devyn's skill isn't hitting out of system but you go with your bad self. 🤣 I agree that Devyn's particular skill set doesn't translate to OH (also, she was a middle in HS which makes it harder). In fact, you could find that out about two pages ago where I made that argument myself. I'm also saying that claiming that the switch in general is impossible is going too far. Plenty of opposites pass (though yes, generally they don't), play back row and terminate out of system. But the point you're missing is someone who primarily played middle for dnt move to OH.
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Post by InTheKnow on Mar 31, 2024 0:40:28 GMT -5
No way are they gonna try Devyn at OH. People float this idea every year, she even does one or two rotations there a year OOC. But it never comes close to happening. She is an enormous talent, but that is not where she could help the team. Orzol is OH2 unless Shadd Ceres makes some incredible progress her first year. There is no way Devyn, who trained all her career as a middle, could play OH at this level. This team has enough talent we don't have to think outside the box. Up to Sheff to decide that, but I don’t see her on the Left.
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Post by neatwithatwist on Mar 31, 2024 6:24:45 GMT -5
Perhaps the Spring scrimmages will offer a hint of Things to Come.
Or not.
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