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Post by Reach on Jan 24, 2024 13:15:58 GMT -5
Brazil and USA really revolutionized fast play as a way to combat the Cubans imo
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 24, 2024 13:17:21 GMT -5
I’ll call- Fafao/Hooker Sokolova/Tom Fabiana/Gioli Fabi Genuinely, are the cubans just not suited for todays game? I dont doubt you, as from what I know these players were insane. But everything ive read about those cuban teams/seen, seem like they may have been the best team to ever play they were so dominant in their time period, but they wouldn't be able to compete with the top teams today imo. everything is faster and more complex than it used to be - setters like wolosz and Maja would be something those blockers have never seen before, they would be totally overwhelmed by the bic and D ball, and the service pressure would break them down quickly imo
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 24, 2024 13:18:20 GMT -5
Genuinely, are the cubans just not suited for todays game? I dont doubt you, as from what I know these players were insane. But everything ive read about those cuban teams/seen, seem like they may have been the best team to ever play The style of volleyball they played was revolutionary but then everyone caught up and surpassed them In the pass game. Luis, Ruiz etc are all incredible players and full of highlights no doubt. Not sure how’d they face with todays serve and pass Makes total sense! thank you for clarifying. I know next to nothing about the international scene, and pretty much non existent on anything before 2012, so its always interesting to learn about these players and style of play
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Post by Reach on Jan 24, 2024 13:18:26 GMT -5
Genuinely, are the cubans just not suited for todays game? I dont doubt you, as from what I know these players were insane. But everything ive read about those cuban teams/seen, seem like they may have been the best team to ever play they were so dominant in their time period, but they wouldn't be able to compete with the top teams today imo. everything is faster and more complex than it used to be - setters like wolosz and Maja would be something those blockers have never seen before and the service pressure would break them down quickly imo Exactly. Still disagree about Hooker 😘
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Post by Reach on Jan 24, 2024 13:20:49 GMT -5
The Cubans invited high risk high reward though. Go watch them play USA in 2008 .. they served us off the court. It was incredible and embarrassing to watch. Then we met in the quarter or semis, can’t remember. We competed and they served almost everything out and fell apart.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 24, 2024 13:31:46 GMT -5
Now another question, would setters like Debbie Green, or players like Paula Weishoff still be considered the best of the best for US?
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 24, 2024 13:35:32 GMT -5
hooker? Over Boskovic, Gamova, Egonu ? Ew. The rest I can accept Hooker at her prime was every bit as good as anyone who’s ever played.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 24, 2024 13:36:32 GMT -5
Genuinely, are the cubans just not suited for todays game? I dont doubt you, as from what I know these players were insane. But everything ive read about those cuban teams/seen, seem like they may have been the best team to ever play they were so dominant in their time period, but they wouldn't be able to compete with the top teams today imo. everything is faster and more complex than it used to be - setters like wolosz and Maja would be something those blockers have never seen before, they would be totally overwhelmed by the bic and D ball, and the service pressure would break them down quickly imo No way.
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Post by madden55 on Jan 24, 2024 13:37:29 GMT -5
Hooker at her prime was every bit as good as anyone who’s ever played. Tijana had one almost as bad this morning so I cant laugh
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 24, 2024 13:44:46 GMT -5
Tijana had one almost as bad this morning so I cant laugh It happens, of course. At her peak, Hooker was amazing, but the real point is that Hooker's achievements and potential were torpedoed by karch. But Hooker never demonstrated (or had the full opportunity to develop) the consistency and mastery that some of the other greats did. The other factor is that Sokolova, Tom, KYK never had any serious injuries (Boskovich too afaik). Artamonova was imo the best attacker we've seen. She managed to make it to 2 Olympics after a knee injury (and child birth), but wasn't quite the same after. Zhu clearly isn't the same, but burning through athletes has always been a problem with China.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 24, 2024 13:48:44 GMT -5
Genuinely, are the cubans just not suited for todays game? I dont doubt you, as from what I know these players were insane. But everything ive read about those cuban teams/seen, seem like they may have been the best team to ever play The style of volleyball they played was revolutionary but then everyone caught up and surpassed them In the pass game. Luis, Ruiz etc are all incredible players and full of highlights no doubt. Not sure how’d they face with todays serve and pass The Cubans were the best athletes to ever play volleyball. They didn't adjust because they didn't have to. Aside from the issue of lack of resources, why would anyone think they couldn't see and adjust to what everyone else is doing?
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 24, 2024 13:49:30 GMT -5
The style of volleyball they played was revolutionary but then everyone caught up and surpassed them In the pass game. Luis, Ruiz etc are all incredible players and full of highlights no doubt. Not sure how’d they face with todays serve and pass The Cubans were the best athletes to ever play volleyball. They didn't adjust because they didn't have to. Aside from the issue of lack of resources, why would anyone think they couldn't see and adjust to what everyone else is doing? in 2024 they would simply just be turkish. lol
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 24, 2024 13:52:12 GMT -5
The Cubans were the best athletes to ever play volleyball. They didn't adjust because they didn't have to. Aside from the issue of lack of resources, why would anyone think they couldn't see and adjust to what everyone else is doing? in 2024 they would simply just be turkish. lol The cubans didn't have self-confidence issues like the turkish. DR is a different story.
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Post by Reach on Jan 24, 2024 13:56:32 GMT -5
Hooker at her prime was every bit as good as anyone who’s ever played. I like the one of her landing on Berg
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 24, 2024 13:57:44 GMT -5
I like the one of her landing on Berg I was going to post that one too, but I didn't want to pile on. lol
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