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Post by ironhammer on Apr 1, 2024 0:40:53 GMT -5
1996 Cuba-Brazil in Atlanta comes to mind, but that was pretty extreme... Oh I remember that dust up well. Cuba had legends like Mireya Luis, Regala Torres, Yumilka Ruiz and Magaly Carvajal on the roster. Brazil similiarly had established players like Ana Moser, Fernanda Venturini, Márcia Fu and Virna Dias on the Atlanta roster. So that clash at the net were the top female volleyball players in the game going at each other. Not merely players known to cause trouble having a go at each other. But in the Brazilian domestic league, such dust ups at the net were more common. Today...I'm not sure if its still the case. But I remember those wild days.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 1, 2024 1:00:33 GMT -5
Basketball is a tough sport. Personally, I think fouling rules need to be restructured. There's just too much subjectivity in fouls, which leads to a lot of (understandable) grievances—where someone can foul out of a game for a completely a minor blocking foul, or simply, the wrong call. I'd like to see PFs for fouling out increased per game/half/quarter, or whatever. I'd like to see fouls reviewable. It's important to get the call right. I think making some types of fouls to be less consequential could alleviate (not cure) some of the issues we see on the court. For the record, I'm not trying to stereotype. I just really hate to see violence in our basketball games. It's horrendous. I really don't understand why you think allowing players to have more fouls available will make basketball less violent.
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Post by ned3vball on Apr 1, 2024 5:47:56 GMT -5
As long as they keep making girls out of sugar and spice and everything nice, but boys out snips and snails and puppy dog tails, this will be a problem.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Apr 1, 2024 7:00:52 GMT -5
Also, Reese was chirping at the UCLA bench after she fouled out, but, they let that go too. I don't know what exactly she said, but, it had the UCLA coach in a tizzy. In the post-game handshakes, Close ran past Mulkey, didn’t look at her, and barely touched her hand. I like Close as a coach and person, but she’s a bit too reactive IMO. Mulkey was demanding “What did she say?” like multiple times from the UCLA assistant and he wouldn’t say so they kept the handshake line moving. I know not everyone can read lips, but she was clearly trying to understand what had upset Close and wanted to hold Reese accountable for it. I know competitiveness gets the best of us, but I feel like most people are trying to be and do their best especially when it’s a group of people who have worked this hard for a single goal / purpose. It’s hard for most people to relate to that.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Apr 1, 2024 7:04:43 GMT -5
HVL in the pre-game press conf got asked about trash talk and she made some… comments haha. I loved them. She basically said that the same people writing nasty comments on the internet about them and other players throughout the country were never going to be in the situation where they’d know what they would do if they were in a competitive game bc they’re too busy taking about other people online to get to the point they’re all at in their profession. I was like “ohhhhkaayyy girlie get em”
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 1, 2024 9:05:32 GMT -5
There is not enough airtime to cover every curse in a men's basketball game. They cover incredulous oversteps by name players - like Lebron and The Decision ("I'm taking my talents to South Beach") which has dogged LeBron and cost him fans for more than a decade. Like the Draymond Green poor decision of the month, every month. Like Luka's technical foul count because he cannot NOT argue with officials. They seldom will introduce an unknown player to have one of these stories - not enough people care. So yeah, the top handful of players in the women's game are on display now, but in women's college volleyball, there really isn't anyone with enough public awareness for the media to care. It would be a great accomplishment for women's volleyball to have a star big enough for people to try to tear them down for poor sportsmanship.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 1, 2024 10:29:23 GMT -5
Basketball is a tough sport. Personally, I think fouling rules need to be restructured. There's just too much subjectivity in fouls, which leads to a lot of (understandable) grievances—where someone can foul out of a game for a completely a minor blocking foul, or simply, the wrong call. I'd like to see PFs for fouling out increased per game/half/quarter, or whatever. I'd like to see fouls reviewable. It's important to get the call right. I think making some types of fouls to be less consequential could alleviate (not cure) some of the issues we see on the court. Agree. College basketball would improve greatly with: Going from 5 to 6 fouls before disqualification. Consistency on charge/block calls. Charging is called way too much (when IMO it isn't a charge) - but even having consistency on this would help as it greatly impacts disqualifications.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 1, 2024 10:36:23 GMT -5
Would love to hear the reasoning on how allowing *more* fouling will improve college basketball.
The NBA has the same fouls to game length ratio as college and it's way way harder to defend in the NBA. Don't see anyone advocating for more fouls there.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 1, 2024 10:37:57 GMT -5
Actual rule change to improve college ball:
Defensive 3 seconds
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Post by gvfan on Apr 1, 2024 10:43:12 GMT -5
No double standard at all. If a player acts like an a-hole they should be called out as an a-hole. But now that women (in college basketball especially) are acting like a-holes and being called out for it they are now pulling the "gender" card.
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Post by tablealgebra on Apr 1, 2024 10:54:30 GMT -5
Lots of people on Twitter right now just trying to take down whoever they are angry about by posting select video. With women, it's easier to do because there's still a significant segment of the population who think women shouldn't be aggressive - which of course is completely against the alpha-mentality of basketball in general. So yeah, there's a lot of noise out there right now but I think in the long run, sports history will see it as exactly that - noise. Except the Reese/Clark thing which hits a lot of cultural hot-buttons.
Meanwhile, in volleyball Asjia is catching flack for staring a bit too long before turning and celebrating with her peeps. I think the standard is well-set in that regard, you'll continue to see the little stare-downs and that's it and everyone involved will shrug it off at the end.
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Post by trojansc on Apr 1, 2024 11:19:27 GMT -5
Texas / Washington State honestly should have been even spicier this past season. Greeny vs. Elliott, Asija vs. Magda, etc. I mean, there was some stare down action, but, it could have been more intense.
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 1, 2024 11:30:44 GMT -5
Texas / Washington State honestly should have been even spicier this past season. Greeny vs. Elliott, Asija vs. Magda, etc. I mean, there was some stare down action, but, it could have been more intense. I think the virtually zero-tolerance culture of volleyball officials keeps most kids from ever developing that kind of behavior and the fact the vast majority of youth players have never seen professional volleyball means they've never seen that behavior modeled at a higher level. (I, for one, think sh*t talking is great in volleyball and have no problem with it, especially in the college game)
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 1, 2024 11:34:01 GMT -5
Texas / Washington State honestly should have been even spicier this past season. Greeny vs. Elliott, Asija vs. Magda, etc. I mean, there was some stare down action, but, it could have been more intense. Why is Greeny v. Elliott supposed to be a thing? Now if it was Silvernail v. Elliott, I could understand....
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Post by anOPINionATEDbeACH(hookemboo) on Apr 1, 2024 12:36:53 GMT -5
HVL in the pre-game press conf got asked about trash talk and she made some… comments haha. I loved them. She basically said that the same people writing nasty comments on the internet about them and other players throughout the country were never going to be in the situation where they’d know what they would do if they were in a competitive game bc they’re too busy taking about other people online to get to the point they’re all at in their profession. I was like “ohhhhkaayyy girlie get em” She ateeee
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