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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 9, 2024 12:04:27 GMT -5
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Post by jeepers on Apr 9, 2024 12:21:29 GMT -5
Why though? Plenty of subs to have specialized experts.
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 9, 2024 12:32:39 GMT -5
Why though? Plenty of subs to have specialized experts. Why not? Expand the mind a little. Basketball coaches have infinite subs and this is how basketball has evolved. What is we went the opposite direction of specialization? |
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Post by jeepers on Apr 9, 2024 12:36:23 GMT -5
Why though? Plenty of subs to have specialized experts. Why not? Expand the mind a little. Basketball coaches have infinite subs and this is how basketball has evolved. What is we went the opposite direction of specialization? Basketball players don't rotate through a back row. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 9, 2024 12:41:10 GMT -5
Is this really talking about being "positionless" or just running a more diverse offense?
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 9, 2024 12:57:08 GMT -5
Why not? Expand the mind a little. Basketball coaches have infinite subs and this is how basketball has evolved. What is we went the opposite direction of specialization? Basketball players don't rotate through a back row. They still have to play both offense and defense. |
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Post by katn on Apr 9, 2024 13:04:53 GMT -5
it's called beach
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Post by Norah Sus on Apr 9, 2024 13:05:41 GMT -5
This is just step two of getting rid of setters by the Big Doubles industry.
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 9, 2024 13:23:24 GMT -5
Is this really talking about being "positionless" or just running a more diverse offense? I think it means both. Players can hit, block, and dig where they are. |
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Post by jsquare on Apr 9, 2024 13:50:33 GMT -5
This is just step two of getting rid of setters by the Big Doubles industry. This would require a setter with a high level of skills. |
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Post by Jim Dietz on Apr 9, 2024 14:07:04 GMT -5
Eliminate the libero and reduce the # of subs to 6...absolutely becomes possible. The problem is with so many substitutions available at all levels, players are made to specialize by the time they are 12-13, unfortunately. A change to positionless ball would have to be driven upwards from younger ages, much like the change in football strategic concepts came from HS coaches. |
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 9, 2024 14:10:20 GMT -5
Playing club on a team with strict roles, I was always intrigued by one of our rivals where the backup setter was the O1 so sometimes they moved to RS and they ran a true 6-2, or they flip and the Setter would hit outside. They'd leave the MH on the pin to hit over our setter in receive, and everybody could and did hit one balls if they wanted to cross or shift hitters on free ball plays. By Stone's definition maybe that is "Positionless - Stage 1."
Full positionless volleyball, to me, assumes flexibility of setter to have a choice as to which rotation you want to receive in. The setter coming from LB is awkward, so let the player in 3 set instead - or something like that, which would be the equivalent of letting your forward bring the ball up and initiate the offense. And while Norah Sus is joking about "Big Doubles" I think that rule change does facilitate some creativity which could include something like this.
I think the hard thing is that this requires a lot of practice time, discipline and roster continuity. While the double rule may facilitate some of this, the transfer portal does not so like stone says, it's going to need to groundswell from high school and club ranks, and I don't know that parents are going to pay more to train at a second position in large enough numbers for this to become popular. We'll see.
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Post by tablealgebra on Apr 9, 2024 14:27:04 GMT -5
The extrapolation from basketball to volleyball misses a big advantage of why positional flexibility is so important in basketball, which is that in basketball, your "man" (or woman) can be made to guard you no matter where you go. So if you are 6'6" and a 6'1" person is guarding you, you go into the post and there's a huge mismatch. But in volleyball, there's no need to follow your "man" around the court - just because your "positionless" middle blocker plays six rotation doesn't mean their opponent has to as well. Just because you have 3 designated setters doesn't mean your opponent has to as well. The advantage of flexibility in basketball is to get mismatches in a way which isn't possible in volleyball.
I can see skill flexibility being important among the skill-based positions: setter and outside hitter come to mind. But in positions where you just have to have a physical presence, like international opposites and middle blockers, I don't see a viable alternative to having the most physical player in there having a huge presence. I'll give you 6 positionless players to build a team around and you give me Paola Egonu to build a team around and let's see how it goes.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 9, 2024 14:48:47 GMT -5
Most sports can be played positionless if you have good enough players. But it's really hard for a team of generalists to beat a team of specialists if all the specialists have trained in their specialty to be better than the generalists doing the same thing.
Obviously if you have a team of people who are as good as the specialists at the specialist jobs and *also* as good as the *other* specialists at the other jobs, then you just have much better players, and you will have a huge advantage.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 9, 2024 14:50:19 GMT -5
I can see skill flexibility being important among the skill-based positions: setter and outside hitter come to mind. But in positions where you just have to have a physical presence, like international opposites and middle blockers Whoa. So middle doesn't require skill? |
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