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Post by akbar on Apr 12, 2024 20:37:24 GMT -5
Peace in South West Asia hasn't existed since ....the Renaissance ?
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 13, 2024 0:25:03 GMT -5
Trump didn't just exclude the Palestinian's from the process, he formally recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and stated that the American embassy would be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which was a direct provocation and a rejection of the 2 state solution. Hamas said the move "destroys the peace process" and disqualified the United States from peace talks. In response, Hamas called for a new intifada, which eventually led to this. Are you really this stupid? Clearly I am, because I bothered to respond to you. Based on the tone of your response and the fact you didn't even actually challenge a single thing I said, I won't make that mistake again.
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 13, 2024 0:47:35 GMT -5
Trump didn't just exclude the Palestinian's from the process, he formally recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and stated that the American embassy would be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which was a direct provocation and a rejection of the 2 state solution. Hamas said the move "destroys the peace process" and disqualified the United States from peace talks. In response, Hamas called for a new intifada, which eventually led to this. No it didn't. Lets examine the logic here. Its 2023, Hamas is considering an attack. The following is the scenario you envision: Hamas leader 1 says, "in the last six years, Israeli settlers have stolen thousands of acres of Palestinian land by force. Killing people who owned the land and dispossessing families that had been there for centuries" Hamas Leader 2 says, "thats not enough for us to retaliate." Leader 1 then says, "ok, in the last six years, there have been over a hundred Israeli incursions into Palestinian land in which the IDF murdered civilians and kidnapped people, often children. They are still holding thousands of hostages" Leader 2, "Nope still not enough for us to retaliate." Leader 1, "In the last six years, the IDF has conducted multiple air force bombing campaigns against Gaza that killed many of our people." Leader 2, "Nope still not enough for us to retaliate." Leader 1, "Six years ago, Trump moved the embassy." Leader 2, "Thats it, thats the straw, lets go!!!!!" That was ... weird. What exactly are you babbling on about? What set you off, the word "eventually"?
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Post by franknvb on Apr 13, 2024 0:59:02 GMT -5
No it didn't. Lets examine the logic here. Its 2023, Hamas is considering an attack. The following is the scenario you envision: Hamas leader 1 says, "in the last six years, Israeli settlers have stolen thousands of acres of Palestinian land by force. Killing people who owned the land and dispossessing families that had been there for centuries" Hamas Leader 2 says, "thats not enough for us to retaliate." Leader 1 then says, "ok, in the last six years, there have been over a hundred Israeli incursions into Palestinian land in which the IDF murdered civilians and kidnapped people, often children. They are still holding thousands of hostages" Leader 2, "Nope still not enough for us to retaliate." Leader 1, "In the last six years, the IDF has conducted multiple air force bombing campaigns against Gaza that killed many of our people." Leader 2, "Nope still not enough for us to retaliate." Leader 1, "Six years ago, Trump moved the embassy." Leader 2, "Thats it, thats the straw, lets go!!!!!" That was ... weird. What exactly are you babbling on about? What set you off, the word "eventually"? It was weird to you because he used logic and facts to destroy your idiotic argguement
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 13, 2024 1:33:03 GMT -5
Peace in South West Asia hasn't existed since ....the Renaissance ? Ah, my younger days, hanging out with Leo in Florence, sketching out parachutes and helicopters and going to parties thrown by the Medicis. How could I forget those good times?
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Post by guest2 on Apr 13, 2024 1:42:37 GMT -5
No it didn't. Lets examine the logic here. Its 2023, Hamas is considering an attack. The following is the scenario you envision: Hamas leader 1 says, "in the last six years, Israeli settlers have stolen thousands of acres of Palestinian land by force. Killing people who owned the land and dispossessing families that had been there for centuries" Hamas Leader 2 says, "thats not enough for us to retaliate." Leader 1 then says, "ok, in the last six years, there have been over a hundred Israeli incursions into Palestinian land in which the IDF murdered civilians and kidnapped people, often children. They are still holding thousands of hostages" Leader 2, "Nope still not enough for us to retaliate." Leader 1, "In the last six years, the IDF has conducted multiple air force bombing campaigns against Gaza that killed many of our people." Leader 2, "Nope still not enough for us to retaliate." Leader 1, "Six years ago, Trump moved the embassy." Leader 2, "Thats it, thats the straw, lets go!!!!!" That was ... weird. What exactly are you babbling on about? What set you off, the word "eventually"? Your implication that moving the embassy led to the Hamas incursion six years later
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 13, 2024 2:06:20 GMT -5
That was ... weird. What exactly are you babbling on about? What set you off, the word "eventually"? It was weird to you because he used logic and facts to destroy your idiotic argguement I didn't make an argguement, or even an argument, and he made up a story, devoid of logic and facts, and I'm still an idiot, because I responded to you again.
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Post by vbman100 on Apr 13, 2024 6:19:38 GMT -5
Remember when we had peace in the Middle East? It seems Jared Kushner and Donald Trump were pretty damn good at keeping the peace in the Middle East. Now Israel is bracing for war against Iran. Great job Joe Are you talking about 1991, when there was a war between Iraq and Kuwait that we got involved in, I think a Republican was the president then. Or the 80s when Iraq and Iran were involved in fighting each other? I think a republican was president then. Or 2001, when Saudis attacked our country on 9/11. I think a Republican was president then. Or March 2018 – Palestinian protests begin at Gaza’s fenced border with Israel and Israeli troops open fire to keep them back. More than 170 Palestinians killed in several months of protests, prompting fighting between Hamas and Israeli forces.
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Post by cindra on Apr 13, 2024 6:55:05 GMT -5
Under trump the US military did a questionably legal assassination strike on Qassem Soleimani that led to attacks on US troops and a civilian plane being shot down. How is that peace?
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Post by longboards on Apr 13, 2024 7:23:48 GMT -5
Remember when we had peace in the Middle East? It seems Jared Kushner and Donald Trump were pretty damn good at keeping the peace in the Middle East. Now Israel is bracing for war against Iran. Great job Joe "The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) has been tracking deaths in the conflict since 2008 and its data shows that 5,600 Palestinians died up to 2020 while 115,000 were injured. 250 Israelis died during the same period while 5,600 were injured."
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 13, 2024 7:25:24 GMT -5
Remember when we had peace in the Middle East? It seems Jared Kushner and Donald Trump were pretty damn good at keeping the peace in the Middle East. Now Israel is bracing for war against Iran. Great job Joe "The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) has been tracking deaths in the conflict since 2008 and its data shows that 5,600 Palestinians died up to 2020 while 115,000 were injured. 250 Israelis died during the same period while 5,600 were injured." The same United Nations office that actually had people involved in the attack on Israel? Idiots.
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Post by longboards on Apr 13, 2024 7:30:53 GMT -5
"The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) has been tracking deaths in the conflict since 2008 and its data shows that 5,600 Palestinians died up to 2020 while 115,000 were injured. 250 Israelis died during the same period while 5,600 were injured." The same United Nations office that actually had people involved in the attack on Israel? Idiots. Ah, that's the decency you were taking about. Do you have evidence of this claim?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 13, 2024 7:32:27 GMT -5
The same United Nations office that actually had people involved in the attack on Israel? Idiots. Ah, that's the decency you were taking about. Do you have evidence of this claim? It was all over the news but let me find the link for you because you guys are not capable of doing it on your own.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Apr 13, 2024 7:34:30 GMT -5
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Post by mervinswerved on Apr 13, 2024 7:35:25 GMT -5
You know Israel never provided anyone any proof of that, right?
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