|
Post by HOLIDAY on May 5, 2024 8:56:57 GMT -5
Well guys, if you think I was hasty and should have hung in longer, then there's nothing stopping you from picking up the mantle I have dropped. see you later, we need more arrogant sanctimonious person on this board like we need a hole in the head
|
|
|
Post by HOLIDAY on May 5, 2024 8:58:56 GMT -5
That’s exactly what happened. Unless you’re calling Barry Weiss a liar. No, you imbecile, that isn't why Weiss quit. Nor was the editor's resignation over anything that had to do with Weiss, it was over a column Tom Cotton wrote that he (the editor) never vetted before publishing. Not to mention that if you think the New York Times (whose publisher currently has a personal vendetta against Biden over not doing a sit down with the Times) or the Washington Post (whose publisher was employed for years by Rupert Murdoch) are some sort of far-left mouthpieces, then you've been living in a weird little right-wing bubble...oh, right. God you’re an idiot. You probably actually think also that the New York Times is accurate and fair. Lol. Democrats are either delusional or just flat out liars.
|
|
|
Post by T Gap on May 5, 2024 9:02:05 GMT -5
That's not even close to what happened at the Times. JFC. That’s exactly what happened. Unless you’re calling Barry Weiss a liar. HOLIDUMB, it should bother you that you're proven wrong every single day, multiple times. Why doesn't it? It's not normal behavior. You're the modern version of the crazy person on the street yelling the world's going to end. Making factually accurate posts isn't that difficult. There ARE many things to criticize Democrats and Biden for using actual facts. I could make a better case for your weak "dEmS aRe tHe wOrSt" arguments than you do. When you post your EASILY DISPROVEN NONSENSE, it makes you look stupid and makes your case look weak. We don't have to make up $hit to show that Trump and Republicans are failures and a disaster. We provide ACTUAL sources, a video that's not doctored, transcripts and direct quotes from court indictments, judge's rulings, and data. You post Facebook memes that weren't fact-checked. The best I've seen you do is post cherry-picked data. Do better, loser.
|
|
|
Post by HOLIDAY on May 5, 2024 9:04:28 GMT -5
Bari Weiss Open Menu Dear A.G.,
It is with sadness that I write to tell you that I am resigning from The New York Times.
I joined the paper with gratitude and optimism three years ago. I was hired with the goal of bringing in voices that would not otherwise appear in your pages: first-time writers, centrists, conservatives and others who would not naturally think of The Times as their home. The reason for this effort was clear: The paper’s failure to anticipate the outcome of the 2016 election meant that it didn’t have a firm grasp of the country it covers. Dean Baquet and others have admitted as much on various occasions. The priority in Opinion was to help redress that critical shortcoming.
I was honored to be part of that effort, led by James Bennet. I am proud of my work as a writer and as an editor. Among those I helped bring to our pages: the Venezuelan dissident Wuilly Arteaga; the Iranian chess champion Dorsa Derakhshani; and the Hong Kong Christian democrat Derek Lam. Also: Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Masih Alinejad, Zaina Arafat, Elna Baker, Rachael Denhollander, Matti Friedman, Nick Gillespie, Heather Heying, Randall Kennedy, Julius Krein, Monica Lewinsky, Glenn Loury, Jesse Singal, Ali Soufan, Chloe Valdary, Thomas Chatterton Williams, Wesley Yang, and many others.
But the lessons that ought to have followed the election—lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism, and the centrality of the free exchange of ideas to a democratic society—have not been learned. Instead, a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at this paper: that truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else.
Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. I was always taught that journalists were charged with writing the first rough draft of history. Now, history itself is one more ephemeral thing molded to fit the needs of a predetermined narrative.
My own forays into Wrongthink have made me the subject of constant bullying by colleagues who disagree with my views. They have called me a Nazi and a racist; I have learned to brush off comments about how I’m “writing about the Jews again.” Several colleagues perceived to be friendly with me were badgered by coworkers. My work and my character are openly demeaned on company-wide Slack channels where masthead editors regularly weigh in. There, some coworkers insist I need to be rooted out if this company is to be a truly “inclusive” one, while others post ax emojis next to my name. Still other New York Times employees publicly smear me as a liar and a bigot on Twitter with no fear that harassing me will be met with appropriate action. They never are.
There are terms for all of this: unlawful discrimination, hostile work environment, and constructive discharge. I’m no legal expert. But I know that this is wrong.
I do not understand how you have allowed this kind of behavior to go on inside your company in full view of the paper’s entire staff and the public. And I certainly can’t square how you and other Times leaders have stood by while simultaneously praising me in private for my courage. Showing up for work as a centrist at an American newspaper should not require bravery.
Part of me wishes I could say that my experience was unique. But the truth is that intellectual curiosity—let alone risk-taking—is now a liability at The Times. Why edit something challenging to our readers, or write something bold only to go through the numbing process of making it ideologically kosher, when we can assure ourselves of job security (and clicks) by publishing our 4000th op-ed arguing that Donald Trump is a unique danger to the country and the world? And so self-censorship has become the norm.
What rules that remain at The Times are applied with extreme selectivity. If a person’s ideology is in keeping with the new orthodoxy, they and their work remain unscrutinized. Everyone else lives in fear of the digital thunderdome. Online venom is excused so long as it is directed at the proper targets.
Op-eds that would have easily been published just two years ago would now get an editor or a writer in serious trouble, if not fired. If a piece is perceived as likely to inspire backlash internally or on social media, the editor or writer avoids pitching it. If she feels strongly enough to suggest it, she is quickly steered to safer ground. And if, every now and then, she succeeds in getting a piece published that does not explicitly promote progressive causes, it happens only after every line is carefully massaged, negotiated and caveated.
It took the paper two days and two jobs to say that the Tom Cotton op-ed “fell short of our standards.” We attached an editor’s note on a travel story about Jaffa shortly after it was published because it “failed to touch on important aspects of Jaffa’s makeup and its history.” But there is still none appended to Cheryl Strayed’s fawning interview with the writer Alice Walker, a proud anti-Semite who believes in lizard Illuminati.
The paper of record is, more and more, the record of those living in a distant galaxy, one whose concerns are profoundly removed from the lives of most people. This is a galaxy in which, to choose just a few recent examples, the Soviet space program is lauded for its “diversity”; the doxxing of teenagers in the name of justice is condoned; and the worst caste systems in human history includes the United States alongside Nazi Germany.
Even now, I am confident that most people at The Times do not hold these views. Yet they are cowed by those who do. Why? Perhaps because they believe the ultimate goal is righteous. Perhaps because they believe that they will be granted protection if they nod along as the coin of our realm—language—is degraded in service to an ever-shifting laundry list of right causes. Perhaps because there are millions of unemployed people in this country and they feel lucky to have a job in a contracting industry.
Or perhaps it is because they know that, nowadays, standing up for principle at the paper does not win plaudits. It puts a target on your back. Too wise to post on Slack, they write to me privately about the “new McCarthyism” that has taken root at the paper of record.
All this bodes ill, especially for independent-minded young writers and editors paying close attention to what they’ll have to do to advance in their careers. Rule One: Speak your mind at your own peril. Rule Two: Never risk commissioning a story that goes against the narrative. Rule Three: Never believe an editor or publisher who urges you to go against the grain. Eventually, the publisher will cave to the mob, the editor will get fired or reassigned, and you’ll be hung out to dry.
For these young writers and editors, there is one consolation. As places like The Times and other once-great journalistic institutions betray their standards and lose sight of their principles, Americans still hunger for news that is accurate, opinions that are vital, and debate that is sincere. I hear from these people every day. “An independent press is not a liberal ideal or a progressive ideal or a democratic ideal. It’s an American ideal,” you said a few years ago. I couldn’t agree more. America is a great country that deserves a great newspaper.
None of this means that some of the most talented journalists in the world don’t still labor for this newspaper. They do, which is what makes the illiberal environment especially heartbreaking. I will be, as ever, a dedicated reader of their work. But I can no longer do the work that you brought me here to do—the work that Adolph Ochs described in that famous 1896 statement: “to make of the columns of The New York Times a forum for the consideration of all questions of public importance, and to that end to invite intelligent discussion from all shades of opinion.”
Ochs’s idea is one of the best I’ve encountered. And I’ve always comforted myself with the notion that the best ideas win out. But ideas cannot win on their own. They need a voice. They need a hearing. Above all, they must be backed by people willing to live by them.
Sincerely,
Bari
|
|
|
Post by HOLIDAY on May 5, 2024 9:06:28 GMT -5
Sounds like Joseph Goebbels, and of course you Democrats go along with it like a bunch of idiotic morons. From her own words she knows that she was being forced out so resigned.
|
|
|
Post by T Gap on May 5, 2024 9:15:00 GMT -5
No, you imbecile, that isn't why Weiss quit. Nor was the editor's resignation over anything that had to do with Weiss, it was over a column Tom Cotton wrote that he (the editor) never vetted before publishing. Not to mention that if you think the New York Times (whose publisher currently has a personal vendetta against Biden over not doing a sit down with the Times) or the Washington Post (whose publisher was employed for years by Rupert Murdoch) are some sort of far-left mouthpieces, then you've been living in a weird little right-wing bubble...oh, right. God you’re an idiot. You probably actually think also that the New York Times is accurate and fair. Lol. Democrats are either delusional or just flat out liars. You still don't understand the difference between bias and facts or even opinion vs fact. A news source, left or right-leaning, can be biased but still credible and factual. You may not like The Washington Post or NY Times and yes they LEAN left; but they're much closer to the Center and MUCH more credible than most of the far-right, opinion-based, unsubstantiated crap you cite.
|
|
|
Post by HOLIDAY on May 5, 2024 9:20:04 GMT -5
God you’re an idiot. You probably actually think also that the New York Times is accurate and fair. Lol. Democrats are either delusional or just flat out liars. You still don't understand the difference between bias and facts or even opinion vs fact. A news source, left or right-leaning, can be biased but still credible and factual. You may not like The Washington Post or NY Times and yes they LEAN left; but they're much closer to the Center and MUCH more credible than most of the far-right, opinion-based, unsubstantiated crap you cite. oohhh Betty…….Bahaaaaa
|
|
|
Post by aardvark on May 5, 2024 11:20:13 GMT -5
Sounds like Joseph Goebbels, and of course you Democrats go along with it like a bunch of idiotic morons. From her own words she knows that she was being forced out so resigned. I carefully read the entire resignation. Please show exactly where she says she's being forced out. The only complaint I see is of a hostile work environment. Other workers. Her fault with management seems to just be a lack of policing her coworkers. Your complaint is entirely imaginary. You can call me whatever names you wish. I'm not going to be triggered into a flame war. As I said before, I feel they are a waste of time, and my time is very valuable to me. But cheer up, there seems to be a fair number of people here willing to trade insult for insult with you. I don't think you should have any problem filling up your time with that.
|
|
|
Post by mervinswerved on May 5, 2024 12:40:03 GMT -5
barry weiss
|
|
|
Post by HOLIDAY on May 5, 2024 13:15:02 GMT -5
Sounds like Joseph Goebbels, and of course you Democrats go along with it like a bunch of idiotic morons. From her own words she knows that she was being forced out so resigned. I carefully read the entire resignation. Please show exactly where she says she's being forced out. The only complaint I see is of a hostile work environment. Other workers. Her fault with management seems to just be a lack of policing her coworkers. Your complaint is entirely imaginary. You can call me whatever names you wish. I'm not going to be triggered into a flame war. As I said before, I feel they are a waste of time, and my time is very valuable to me. But cheer up, there seems to be a fair number of people here willing to trade insult for insult with you. I don't think you should have any problem filling up your time with that. Do you want to work in a hostile environment? Why was that even allowed in a prestigious newspaper? And you don’t think that behavior forced her out?
|
|
|
Post by HOLIDAY on May 5, 2024 13:16:00 GMT -5
Who gives a %*$#. I dictated it. You people knew exactly who I was talking about. But instead of concentrating on what she was saying you petty little bitches are concentrating on how it was spelled.
|
|
|
Post by mervinswerved on May 5, 2024 13:18:25 GMT -5
Who gives a %*$#. I dictated it. You people knew exactly who I was talking about. But instead of concentrating on what she was saying you petty little bitches are concentrating on how it was spelled. barry weiss
|
|
|
Post by mervinswerved on May 5, 2024 13:18:37 GMT -5
Who gives a %*$#. I dictated it. You people knew exactly who I was talking about. But instead of concentrating on what she was saying you petty little bitches are concentrating on how it was spelled. barry
|
|
|
Post by jsquare on May 5, 2024 13:19:31 GMT -5
Sounds like Joseph Goebbels, and of course you Democrats go along with it like a bunch of idiotic morons. From her own words she knows that she was being forced out so resigned. I carefully read the entire resignation. Please show exactly where she says she's being forced out. The only complaint I see is of a hostile work environment. Other workers. Her fault with management seems to just be a lack of policing her coworkers. Your complaint is entirely imaginary. You can call me whatever names you wish. I'm not going to be triggered into a flame war. As I said before, I feel they are a waste of time, and my time is very valuable to me. But cheer up, there seems to be a fair number of people here willing to trade insult for insult with you. I don't think you should have any problem filling up your time with that. How’s that convincing Holiday with kindness going for ya?
|
|
|
Post by jsquare on May 5, 2024 13:20:38 GMT -5
Who gives a %*$#. I dictated it. You people knew exactly who I was talking about. But instead of concentrating on what she was saying you petty little bitches are concentrating on how it was spelled. You seem to do a lot of dick tating
|
|