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Post by stevehorn on Oct 22, 2024 19:09:01 GMT -5
From what was posted on VT, it is also my understanding that Stowers was medically "retired". My recall is that she just announced her intention to enter the portal, but I could be wrong. Nothing prohibits a player from announcing intention to enter the portal before it opens. I'll also keep open the possibility that she might qualify for some portal exception due to the medical retirement. She was forced to medically retire by the university and was cleared by medical staff outside of Baylor to play elsewhere. I reread her post and she is entering in December. I wonder if she might go to Vanderbilt. Along with their QB that is getting all the pub, her brother also transferred from New Mexico State to Vanderbilt and is probably their top receiver. |
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Post by ilalum92 on Oct 23, 2024 11:36:59 GMT -5
Maddie Whittington medically retired from indoor at ILL and went and played beach at LSU. Would have loved to see her play a full season @ ILL uninjured. She had a major knee injury in HS and never recovered.
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Post by kimdc on Oct 23, 2024 22:40:51 GMT -5
From what was posted on VT, it is also my understanding that Stowers was medically "retired". My recall is that she just announced her intention to enter the portal, but I could be wrong. Nothing prohibits a player from announcing intention to enter the portal before it opens. I'll also keep open the possibility that she might qualify for some portal exception due to the medical retirement. She was forced to medically retire by the university and was cleared by medical staff outside of Baylor to play elsewhere. I reread her post and she is entering in December. Medical retirements and what medical staff will approve varies from school to school in all sports. It's not necessarily negative that the first school wouldn't clear a player. Sometimes it's the second school that shouldn't have. Some schools can also be more risk-averse because of tragedies that happened when a player was allowed to compete. Another school may not have had a tragedy yet, so they're not as cautious. It really varies. |
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Post by rjaege on Oct 24, 2024 5:37:46 GMT -5
Just a reminder that the only players that can enter the portal currently are those planning to transfer as grad students. Also there should be few players next season using the COVID year. Majority of those would be 2020 recruits that redshirted after the 20-21 season. If ur a 2020 recruit u should not be allowed to play in 2025…we need limits on how long or how old u can play imo…its college sports not the pros Very few 2020 recruits wi be playing in 2025, so deminimus impact. Also those SA's that are (if there are any), made decisions based on the rules that applied. Not right to change those rules after the fact. |
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Post by agean09 on Oct 24, 2024 5:48:47 GMT -5
Well, the NCAA, the schools, the players, and most fans see it differently as the rules have been around for decades and no one has seen a need to try to change them. Well the NCAA also didnt allow NIL or any student player to have a part time job or accept any type of money or compensation for a 100+ years…and yet here we are now…finally This thread is getting way off… but “any type of compensation”? My degree cost me 50k and I didn’t have anyone making my food, helping me with my classes, or paying my rent. Those things would certainly count as compensation imo. Should they get something additional for the use of their name/image… sure why not. But please don’t discount the value of those other things because the rest of us had to work incredibly hard in our own ways to pay for them throughout college, just like they probably did through athletics. |
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Post by skolgophers on Oct 24, 2024 6:14:38 GMT -5
She was forced to medically retire by the university and was cleared by medical staff outside of Baylor to play elsewhere. I reread her post and she is entering in December. Medical retirements and what medical staff will approve varies from school to school in all sports. It's not necessarily negative that the first school wouldn't clear a player. Sometimes it's the second school that shouldn't have. Some schools can also be more risk-averse because of tragedies that happened when a player was allowed to compete. Another school may not have had a tragedy yet, so they're not as cautious. It really varies. I don’t disagree with you, but her post indicate it was “higher ups” and not necessarily the medical staff who made the decision to pull her from the roster. She also uses the language “involuntarily” in terms of her medical retirement. If you read the post, it seems that someone in the ADs office made the decision for her. And yes, it very well could be because of some lessons learned or a tragedy. But either way, she’s going to be playing elsewhere in 2025. Oregon is the only other program she’s following on instagram - something to keep an eye on. |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Oct 24, 2024 6:27:30 GMT -5
I know of a 2020 player that is listed as a sophomore this year.
Played sparingly in 2020, then a 2 year church mission, could have redshirted in 23 but didn't.
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Post by dodger on Oct 24, 2024 10:12:40 GMT -5
Probably similar to Caffey. Normal redshirt year Injury year Played 3 years which completed normal five year time span Granted 6th year due to missing two years (redshirt plus injury) Covid year makes 7 Technically the last two may be reversed - not sure the order in which they occur. See to me thats crazy…i think an injury year should count but not a redshirt year…if u werent good enough to play that year it should still count as a year…then granting another year if eligibility cuz u missed multiple years? Like what are we doin here…thats just my take to each their own Thank god for the athletes that know one in rules for college thinks your idea had any merit!! |
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 24, 2024 10:47:52 GMT -5
Medical retirements and what medical staff will approve varies from school to school in all sports. It's not necessarily negative that the first school wouldn't clear a player. Sometimes it's the second school that shouldn't have. Some schools can also be more risk-averse because of tragedies that happened when a player was allowed to compete. Another school may not have had a tragedy yet, so they're not as cautious. It really varies. I don’t disagree with you, but her post indicate it was “higher ups” and not necessarily the medical staff who made the decision to pull her from the roster. She also uses the language “involuntarily” in terms of her medical retirement. If you read the post, it seems that someone in the ADs office made the decision for her. And yes, it very well could be because of some lessons learned or a tragedy. But either way, she’s going to be playing elsewhere in 2025. Oregon is the only other program she’s following on instagram - something to keep an eye on. Higher ups is a vague term and I'll assume she is indicating someone above the team and/or team medical staff. I'm thinking that someone in the medical evaluation process did not clear her to return to play. May well have been university medical people or an outside doctor and not the team medical staff who are usually not neurologists. I'm also thinking these decisions are often made by someone above the team level as legal liability is probably a factor in most cases and especially when it involves concussions. If a player wants to continue playing bad enough, they can probably eventually find a doctor that will clear them and a school that will take them. I remember several years ago, Texas had a highly rated linebacker recruit that had to medically retire because they found he had a narrowing of the spine condition is in initial medical check-up on campus. 2 or 3 years later he found a doctor that cleared him to play and transferred to a school where he played some. |
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Post by goroos on Oct 24, 2024 14:45:03 GMT -5
No! I was just picking a tea gif and I love Dolly. I was just making a joke and trying to spice up the Portal tea already. There are already some rumblings re: Jolene and a possible coaching change and/or retirement, and some comments re: Charlotte Glass. Is there potential for her to decommit before she even gets there? Her commitment to Duke always seemed a little weird to me. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Oct 24, 2024 14:50:14 GMT -5
I was just making a joke and trying to spice up the Portal tea already. There are already some rumblings re: Jolene and a possible coaching change and/or retirement, and some comments re: Charlotte Glass. Is there potential for her to decommit before she even gets there? Her commitment to Duke always seemed a little weird to me. I think she committed at a time when Duke had just rolled in a bunch of top recruits and high-academic kids committing there was like "en vogue" for a few months. Keefe, Muir, Thrower, etc. Also, Rubin was all lined up to commit there before Kevin offered her at the 11th hour. I wouldn't be surprised to see her back away, esp now that we see that even with top recruits, Jolene just can't seem to get it done. :/ |
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Post by devilhorns24 on Oct 24, 2024 15:15:27 GMT -5
I think she committed at a time when Duke had just rolled in a bunch of top recruits and high-academic kids committing there was like "en vogue" for a few months. Keefe, Muir, Thrower, etc. Also, Rubin was all lined up to commit there before Kevin offered her at the 11th hour. I wouldn't be surprised to see her back away, esp now that we see that even with top recruits, Jolene just can't seem to get it done. :/ This isn't correct. Glass committed in 2023. The people you named committed in 2020/2021. Duke has changed recruiting coordinators in this time frame. So, the main person responsible for recruiting Keefe, Muir, Thrower even Rubin was different than who did it for Charlotte Glass. In addition, Nagel isn't the person on the staff that I would credit for getting top recruits atm. Jeremy Garcia, who came over from Texas/Penn State is the person I would say is responsible for getting Charlotte Glass (and the other 2025/2026s like Zoë Gillen-Malveaux, Sara Lozano etc). In regards to Muir and Thrower, both have been through their share of injuries that have impacted their potential. Thrower specifically is currently injured and probably is done for the season and she went through injuries last year as well. Muir is always going through something it feels like. So Keefe has been the only remotely healthy "top" recruit in that time frame. |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Oct 24, 2024 15:27:39 GMT -5
I think she committed at a time when Duke had just rolled in a bunch of top recruits and high-academic kids committing there was like "en vogue" for a few months. Keefe, Muir, Thrower, etc. Also, Rubin was all lined up to commit there before Kevin offered her at the 11th hour. I wouldn't be surprised to see her back away, esp now that we see that even with top recruits, Jolene just can't seem to get it done. :/ This isn't correct. Glass committed in 2023. The people you named committed in 2020/2021. Duke has changed recruiting coordinators in this time frame. So, the main person responsible for recruiting Keefe, Muir, Thrower even Rubin was different than who did it for Charlotte Glass. In addition, Nagel isn't the person on the staff that I would credit for getting top recruits atm. Jeremy Garcia, who came over from Texas/Penn State is the person I would say is responsible for getting Charlotte Glass (and the other 2025/2026s like Zoë Gillen-Malveaux, Sara Lozano etc). In regards to Muir and Thrower, both have been through their share of injuries that have impacted their potential. Thrower specifically is currently injured and probably is done for the season and she went through injuries last year as well. Muir is always going through something it feels like. So Keefe has been the only remotely healthy "top" recruit in that time frame. Got it. Why do I remember her being one of the last "early" commitments? Like 8th/9th grade? I must be thinking of someone else, thanks for the clarification! |
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Oct 24, 2024 15:33:01 GMT -5
This isn't correct. Glass committed in 2023. The people you named committed in 2020/2021. Duke has changed recruiting coordinators in this time frame. So, the main person responsible for recruiting Keefe, Muir, Thrower even Rubin was different than who did it for Charlotte Glass. In addition, Nagel isn't the person on the staff that I would credit for getting top recruits atm. Jeremy Garcia, who came over from Texas/Penn State is the person I would say is responsible for getting Charlotte Glass (and the other 2025/2026s like Zoë Gillen-Malveaux, Sara Lozano etc). In regards to Muir and Thrower, both have been through their share of injuries that have impacted their potential. Thrower specifically is currently injured and probably is done for the season and she went through injuries last year as well. Muir is always going through something it feels like. So Keefe has been the only remotely healthy "top" recruit in that time frame. Got it. Why do I remember her being one of the last "early" commitments? Like 8th/9th grade? I must be thinking of someone else, thanks for the clarification! That was Alex Acevedo who committed to Oregon in the 8th grade (currently at Minny) |
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Post by hipsterfilth on Oct 24, 2024 15:34:14 GMT -5
Got it. Why do I remember her being one of the last "early" commitments? Like 8th/9th grade? I must be thinking of someone else, thanks for the clarification! That was Alex Acevedo who committed to Oregon in the 8th grade (currently at Minny) omg yes. who would even be committing to duke that early anyway? no clue why I got them confused. |
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