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Post by stanfordvb on Nov 30, 2024 0:58:27 GMT -5
If Louisville beats Stanford tomorrow does that pretty much solidify the 3-6 in order as psu, Louisville, Creighton, Stanford? There’s no way Stanford would end up infront of Creighton unless they beat Louisville right?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 30, 2024 0:58:32 GMT -5
Was Penn state that one year the lowest rpi to get a seed? #26. Since at least like 2010 yes, I am unsure about the brackets before that. And before then there would be some more shenanigans where there was seeding and then there was hosting as different levers the committee could pull. Kind of crazy how bonkers the tourney draws used to be. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 30, 2024 1:00:01 GMT -5
#26. Since at least like 2010 yes, I am unsure about the brackets before that. And before then there would be some more shenanigans where there was seeding and then there was hosting as different levers the committee could pull. Kind of crazy how bonkers the tourney draws used to be. Rpi meant nothing about hosting until 2010 right? I remember Hawaii being set the east coast in 2009 with a vastly low RPI and Danielson stank face was everything lol |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 30, 2024 1:07:41 GMT -5
In the first reveal, Penn State was ranked #3 mainly due to their sweep of #4 Louisville (who beat Creighton). Creighton was never gonna have an RPI Top 10 win as good as that of PSU. I just don't think PSU was ever going to fall below Creighton (in the committee's eyes) just because they lost at Top 10 Wisconsin and/or at home against #1 Nebraska; those 2 losses wouldn't erase their win over RPI Top 3 Louisville. Yeah, I don't think Creighton had a real shot if Penn State only had those three losses. The real question was whether Stanford could have gotten that spot if they beat Louisville. I would have given it to Penn State because I think Stanford losing to Miami has to matter, but it would have been close. Prior to the reveal on October 20, I thought Stanford was worthy of a Top 4 ranking. They had three RPI Top 10 wins over Wisconsin, Texas and SMU. But, the committee ranked PSU #3, Louisville #4, and Stanford #5. So, that told me the committee was more impressed with Penn State's lone RPI Top 10 win over RPI #1 Louisville (as of that date) than Stanford's three RPI Top 10 wins against teams whose RPI's were like 7-9 (I think). ncaastats.figstats.net/teamsheet.phtml/Stanford |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 30, 2024 1:09:44 GMT -5
If Louisville beats Stanford tomorrow does that pretty much solidify the 3-6 in order as psu, Louisville, Creighton, Stanford? There’s no way Stanford would end up infront of Creighton unless they beat Louisville right? It depends. Stanford technically has 4 wins better than Creighton's best win. I can easily see Stanford at 5. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 30, 2024 1:12:30 GMT -5
opinion question for anyone: would yall like to see 68 teams like basketball ever?
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Post by Fight On! on Nov 30, 2024 1:14:55 GMT -5
trojansIf there was space for 1, are you taking Arizona or Washington?
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Post by trojansc on Nov 30, 2024 1:20:49 GMT -5
The NCAA website is up to date in terms of its RPI Nitty-Gritty: stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/40828Going into Saturday, the RPI has Pepperdine at #50 and NOT #51. This helps San Diego's Top 50 wins (they have 3). That's a hope for San Diego, but their RPI might be too far off. |
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Post by huskersoftroy on Nov 30, 2024 1:23:19 GMT -5
opinion question for anyone: would yall like to see 68 teams like basketball ever? Personally I’d like to see the tournament expand to 72. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 30, 2024 1:25:38 GMT -5
trojansIf there was space for 1, are you taking Arizona or Washington? That's hard. It could go either way. I'd probably lean Washington if you made me pick between those teams.. but I'll have to look closer tomorrow if it really could be between them. I think I like them both. |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 30, 2024 1:31:22 GMT -5
It won't surprise me if the committee seeds Pittsburgh #1 if they decide the final factor is that the Panthers beat Penn State and Nebraska lost to them. I still think Nebraska's body of work should earn them the #1 seed.
SMU hasn't picked up an additional RPI Top 25 win (unless we count North Carolina) since the first reveal. Creighton has picked up one additional RPI Top 25 win over Marquette (who they had already beaten prior to the reveal, so not really a win over a different team). Wisconsin has picked up three additional RPI Top 25 wins, including one over RPI Top 5 Penn State; how much does that impress the committee?
At the moment, I think the committee will seed:
1. Nebraska
2. Pittsburgh
3. Penn State
4. Louisville
5. Stanford
After that, I can see the committee making significant changes from their initial reveal. Maybe something like:
6. SMU
7. Wisconsin
8. Creighton
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Post by mcmike on Nov 30, 2024 1:31:35 GMT -5
I know everyone has written off Minnesota as a possible host If the Selection Committee only sees wins and losses with no consideration for the details it's an extremely flawed system. I'm not a statistician, but Pablo(10), RichKern(17) Massey(15), evollve(14), etc. all put MN in the mix for hosting I don't understand how, given how KPI is supposed to account for close matches, that MN's number is 30+  In any case, if you look at the best win and worst loss of this group, their record in top 25 losses, etc. I do not believe that the high loss number given that MN faced more top 25s than anyone ought to be disqualifying 11/30 12am
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RPI W-L vtop 5set OppRecord SoSPct Best worst
25 loss win loss Win Loss
13 Utah BIG12 0.6610 24-5 3-5 BYU 497 -351 .6009 16 19
16 TCU BIG12 0.6450 21-7 2-6 WI 474 -330 .6030 19 108
Baylor
17 Marquette BE 0.6435 23-7 1-6 none 536 -364 .6158 15 80
18 Oregon BIG10 0.6432 22-7 2-6 Purd 503 -355 .5997 19 46
S.Cal
19 BYU BIG12 0.6422 19-9 3-6 Az.St 513 -299 .6445 12 137
Oregon
TCU
20 Baylor BIG12 0.6407 22-7 2-7 WI 472 -347 .5914 10 19
21 So Cal BIG10 0.6374 21-9 1-7 none 530 -354 .6149 18 99
22 Florida SEC 0.6368 21-6 2-3 none 419 -326 .5781 23 62
23 Texas A&M SEC0.6361 18-7 2-4 none 401 -272 .6071 11 133
24 Missouri SEC 0.6304 19-8 1-6 Tx A&M443 -301 .6027 11 133
Fla
25 Ga Tech ACC 0.6261 20-8 2-5 Stanf 475 -352 .5888 19 78
26 Minnta BIG10 0.6226 20-10 2-9 522 -359 .6078 8 46 Wash. aced 13x and 11SEs (a real clunker)
Stanford 13-15
Baylor 14-16
TCU 18-20
WI 18-20 an inch or two from a match-winning Wisc-sweeping block touch
Purdue 10-15
20-10 .667 0.6226
21- 9 .700 .033 0.6556
22- 8 .733 .066 0.6886 (yes, it's probably not a straight rpi addition)One of the 3 matchpoints won instead of lost and Minnesota is a top 16 team Two of the 3 won and Minnesota is on the edge of the top 10 |
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Post by raian13 on Nov 30, 2024 2:49:36 GMT -5
The NCAA website is up to date in terms of its RPI Nitty-Gritty: stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/40828Going into Saturday, the RPI has Pepperdine at #50 and NOT #51. This helps San Diego's Top 50 wins (they have 3). That's a hope for San Diego, but their RPI might be too far off. I looked up the most recent rpi and i was surprised how far down the list these former tournament teams got: UCLA Georgia Kansas State Houston Washington State |
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Post by maigrey on Nov 30, 2024 3:17:55 GMT -5
Honestly if penn state wants the 2 seed THAT badly they can have it 🥰 As a Wisconsin fan, I approve this message. 🤣 |
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Post by maigrey on Nov 30, 2024 3:26:44 GMT -5
opinion question for anyone: would yall like to see 68 teams like basketball ever? Let's be like tennis and have 128!😁 |
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