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Post by beachcoach on Aug 10, 2025 11:30:07 GMT -5
BTW Baden is the first event where they test the "no double" rule plus coach on bench. I was watching just few (mainly Czech) matches didn't see any big difference compared to previous tournaments. Does anyone see any big difference? been following and talking to friends on site. No major differences in handling. It was never going to impact that much at this level it’s the rec level that’s going to melt down imo. Re coaches I am not a fan. As a player I play beach to be on my own. As a coach I want them to be free and to learn themselves. Different game different people. Also tou miss the players interaction between each other with a coach talking to them. Some coaches give them time to figure it out aome are in there quite quickly. I like the non coaching. Wonder who it will be upto as to if this goes through. Players reactions or coaches preferences. |
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Post by ramo2653 on Aug 10, 2025 13:20:30 GMT -5
Anyone feel like the bronze medal match was played at half speed or something? Looked more like something you'd see at the local beach on a Sunday morning than a medal match. Also Chase trying the delayed block jump was weird.
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Post by overonone on Aug 10, 2025 17:15:01 GMT -5
I think we had this discussion about rankings before. While I agree that TKN should be ranked higher in theory because of their good results and talent it’s ridiculous that they don’t show up at enough Beach Pro Tour events. The World Ranking is established on the ranking points earned at the eight (8) best performance as a team over a one year period. This isn’t some over-the-top rule from the governing bodies. In tennis, for example, the ATP counts 19 (!) results per year toward the ranking. TKN missed three Elite 16 tournaments in the fall. In my opinion, the wild rankings are more the players’ fault—because they don’t feel like playing more international tournaments—than the ranking system’s fault. Eight Beach Pro Tour results in one year should be achievable for all teams. They have played every available event for the last 9 months - the best team in the world should not be in Challenges. We have discussed this. Its why I used Cannon/Kraft for comparison. They have played one more event than TKN. (6 to 5) and they are 4th to TKN's 8th. TKN have actually won 3 of the last 6 top level events and are ranked 8th, five spots behind the Klingers. (the biggest tournament on tour doesn't count) But if you want, we could compare Muller/Tillman, who are ranked 2nd -DESPITE NOT WINNING ANY ELITES! They have 9 results, the same 5 Elites that TKN have plus: 1 Elite from last year 3 CEV events. They are ranked ahead of TKN because they played events that TKN were not allowed to enter. How is that not stupid? But perhaps the worst is Tina and Ana. They are ranked 6th with 8 results. They have fewer Elite results than TKN and - of course - have not won. Their extra 4 results are: A Futures event Saulkrasti - No idea what this is. 2 CEVs - which TKN are not allowed to enter. I understand your point about playing, but for 9 months, TKN have played every top tier event and have been fairly dominant. That they rank behind five teams that have not won an Elite in the ranking period is not reasonable. That they rank behind a team that has played fewer VBW events and finished much lower is insane. This system is just dumb. Finally, if there is any doubt that these ratings are as dumb as it gets, Anderson/Bauer are a top 20 team in the world according to the FIVB. TKN (and Shaw/Cheng, Mel/Brandie, Schalk/Shaw, Partain/Benesh, Quiggle/Rice) have withdrawn from Hamburg. 😢 Conflict with AVP Chicago? |
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Post by ajm on Aug 10, 2025 18:35:07 GMT -5
They have played every available event for the last 9 months - the best team in the world should not be in Challenges. We have discussed this. Its why I used Cannon/Kraft for comparison. They have played one more event than TKN. (6 to 5) and they are 4th to TKN's 8th. TKN have actually won 3 of the last 6 top level events and are ranked 8th, five spots behind the Klingers. (the biggest tournament on tour doesn't count) But if you want, we could compare Muller/Tillman, who are ranked 2nd -DESPITE NOT WINNING ANY ELITES! They have 9 results, the same 5 Elites that TKN have plus: 1 Elite from last year 3 CEV events. They are ranked ahead of TKN because they played events that TKN were not allowed to enter. How is that not stupid? But perhaps the worst is Tina and Ana. They are ranked 6th with 8 results. They have fewer Elite results than TKN and - of course - have not won. Their extra 4 results are: A Futures event Saulkrasti - No idea what this is. 2 CEVs - which TKN are not allowed to enter. I understand your point about playing, but for 9 months, TKN have played every top tier event and have been fairly dominant. That they rank behind five teams that have not won an Elite in the ranking period is not reasonable. That they rank behind a team that has played fewer VBW events and finished much lower is insane. This system is just dumb. Finally, if there is any doubt that these ratings are as dumb as it gets, Anderson/Bauer are a top 20 team in the world according to the FIVB. TKN (and Shaw/Cheng, Mel/Brandie, Schalk/Shaw, Partain/Benesh, Quigley/Rice) have withdrawn from Hamburg. 😢 Conflict with AVP Chicago? Quiggle/Rice didn't qualify for Chicago but the speculation there is that they've split. The rest of those teams all qualified for AVP Championships. Newberry/Whitmarsh are in the Hamburg qualifier, but they'll probably drop out also if Newberry is playing Chicago with Urango. |
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Post by ajm on Aug 11, 2025 0:12:08 GMT -5
Tough, close loss for Chase and Miles in the semi final, 15-13 in the 3rd against Germany. Playing for bronze later on. Chase looking for his 5th Challenger level medal and Miles his 4th Challenger level medal. Two close losses today, but I felt like this event was their best performance of the season. Miles is siding out pretty consistently, and his defense was excellent this week. They’re in good shape now points wise for World Champs qualification. Maybe not quite a lock, but they’ll still have a couple more chances to replace a low finish if they need it. |
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Post by houdini on Aug 11, 2025 0:53:21 GMT -5
Previous comment: Finally, if there is any doubt that these ratings are as dumb as it gets, Anderson/Bauer are a top 20 team in the world according to the FIVB. [/quote] TKN (and Shaw/Cheng, Mel/Brandie, Schalk/Shaw, Partain/Benesh, Quiggle/Rice) have withdrawn from Hamburg. 😢 Conflict with AVP Chicago? [/quote][/div] * * *
I think Anderson/Bauer may very well be on the cusp of the top 20. They haven't won but play close game against the top teams - and have consistently finished fairly well.
If you look at Bauer's AVP stats she's actually one of the top defenders. Internationally some tough losses.
And with Tina/Ana it's no surprise that a team with two silvers in the last two Elites would be 6th, despite not having the defense to ever break through for a victory. And the local competitions do not add points to their average score.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 11, 2025 2:49:16 GMT -5
Previous comment: Finally, if there is any doubt that these ratings are as dumb as it gets, Anderson/Bauer are a top 20 team in the world according to the FIVB. [/quote] TKN (and Shaw/Cheng, Mel/Brandie, Schalk/Shaw, Partain/Benesh, Quiggle/Rice) have withdrawn from Hamburg. 😢 Conflict with AVP Chicago? [/quote][/div] * * *
I think Anderson/Bauer may very well be on the cusp of the top 20. They haven't won but play close game against the top teams - and have consistently finished fairly well.
If you look at Bauer's AVP stats she's actually one of the top defenders. Internationally some tough losses. And with Tina/Ana it's no surprise that a team with two silvers in the last two Elites would be 6th, despite not having the defense to ever break through for a victory. And the local competitions do not add points to their average score. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Quote function went haywire so I drew some lines to show where my response started The local competitions do add points, it is shown right here: en.volleyballworld.com/beachvolleyball/world-ranking/womenBut even if they didn't, finishing second in the last two Elites should never trump winning 2 of the last 3. One of the big problems with FIVB math is that the difference between 1st and 2nd is the same as the difference between 2nd and 3rd or 3rd and 4th. As to Anderson/Bauer, they are not a top 10 US team (I think thats inarguable - where they stand from 11-15 is debatable but unnecessary for our purposes.) Brazil x 4, Swiss x 2, Canada, Germany x 3, Latvia, Italy, Austria, Dutch, Spain. Thats 25 teams off the top of my head that are better than Anderson/Bauer, and have better results this year. Then you have another 12-20 like the French Italy 2, the Aussies, and several US and Brazilian teams not counted above, where its arguable, but to me I think they are closer to being the 20th best US team than the 20th best team in the world. |
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Post by houdini on Aug 11, 2025 9:31:32 GMT -5
Local competitions do add world ranking points. They are not included in entry points if the point total is lower than the previous lowest score.
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