Who will travel--who will host first rounds?

[IdahoBoy]

vbfanatic said:

I deleted Hawaii on purpose because it seems like the NCAA always wants to save money and sending 3 teams there if Hawaii is not a top 4 seed (Which they will not be) would be spending too much money. It is very unfair to Hawaii but the whole regionalization thing is screwed up in the 1st place. About Yale, I think they hosted last year. If it wasn't them, then it was some other team in the Northeast that was not a top 16 team. I didn't check their record to see how they were doing but I remember how shocked I was last year when they gave them a 1st round host. I guess I shouldn't be shocked by anything the NCAA committee does anymore.

I misunderstood your post to be the top 16 seeds not regional hosts.

I hate to beat a dead horse, but the NCAA MAKES money by sending teams to Hawaii. $100k including th cost of airfare/ldoging to send a team to Hawaii.

[IdahoBoy]

bearclause said:

idahoboy said:

Can you tell us more about this bill passed by University presidents?

I don't know about "University Presidents", but here's the D-I Championship handbook from last season (P. 23):
www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/general/2004-05/2004-05_d1_general_handbook.pdf

Nonrevenue Championship Site Assignment. For team championships that do not generate net revenues, pairings shall be based primarily on the teams’ geographical proximity to one another, regardless of their region, in order to avoid air travel in preliminary rounds whenever possible. Teams’ seeding relative to one another may be taken into consideration when establishing pairings if such a pairing does not result in air travel that otherwise could be avoided. Waivers of this policy may be granted by the Division I Championships/Competition Cabinet upon the recommendation of the sports committee, provided the Division I Championships/Competition Cabinet believes such a decision enhances the growth and financial development of the championship.

Notice how much emphasis there is on "nonrevenue" and "financial devlopment".

From what you quoted, it's BUILT-IN to the handbook that they can send teams to Hawaii! The last statement says: "such a decision enhances the growth and financial development of the championship." That says, "hey, if you can make money by sending a team to a moneymaker, than do it damnit! Just because the sport is considered a non-revenue sport doesn't mean we have to lose money on all ventures!"

[EagleEye]

One major problem with Hawaii hosting the first round is the expenses for the parents/fans to follow their team. When Western Kentucky was sent to Hawaii in 2002, only one set of parents made the trip(if memory serves me correctly). Getting airline tickets two to three days before traveling makes the tickets more expensive. In 2002 the price for airline tickets to Hawaii for the NCAA tourney for one set of parents from Western Kentucky was $5000.00 (This did not include hotel expenses.).Needless to say that set of parents stayed home. To me it is ridiculous for parents to have to spend that kind of mony to see their daughter play in the NCAA tournament.

[IdahoBoy]

eagleeye said:

One major problem with Hawaii hosting the first round is the expenses for the parents/fans to follow their team. When Western Kentucky was sent to Hawaii in 2002, only one set of parents made the trip(if memory serves me correctly). Getting airline tickets two to three days before traveling makes the tickets more expensive. In 2002 the price for airline tickets to Hawaii for the NCAA tourney for one set of parents from Western Kentucky was $5000.00 (This did not include hotel expenses.).Needless to say that set of parents stayed home. To me it is ridiculous for parents to have to spend that kind of mony to see their daughter play in the NCAA tournament.

Eh... you can see it online now.

Seriously though, that Western Kentucky came to Hawaii that year was weird, anyway. Talk about odd Geographical pairings. But I'll bet that none of the players complained about going to Hawaii.

Maybe only two parents were able to make the trip... but Western Kentucky had a nice sized fan-base at the match, including their mascot!

I expect WKU to lose in the first round of a fair-seeded tournament.... wouldn't it be nice to go someplace nice for those players?

[Barefoot In Kailua]

I agree with IB. The tourney is somewhat a reward for the teams who compete in it. If you don't have a legitimate shot at the title (like WKU) wouldn't you rather go to Hawai'i?

[gotoppers]

Actually, the girls (WKU) I think would rather play in there own backyard, like Louisville. They would have a tremendous fan base if they are sent there. And with volleyball, anything can happen on the court. So, I guess, I prefer to believe in that until the final point is scored and the last kill is made, anyone can win.

[bigfan]

beachman said:

Does anyone think that Hawaii will host the first weekend? If they travel, where will they go?

What about LBSU hosting a 1st round? They are co-champs

[Barefoot In Kailua]

bigfan said:

beachman said:

Does anyone think that Hawaii will host the first weekend? If they travel, where will they go?

What about LBSU hosting a 1st round? They are co-champs

That would be an absolute travesty as the 49ers are not worthy of a seed and the sub regional hosting opportunity that usually comes with it. There are exceptions however, like Hawai'i being sent on the road last year so the Committee can try to justify anything. I say try because we know that they are usually full of it.

[bigfan]

barefootinkailua said:

bigfan said:

What about LBSU hosting a 1st round? They are co-champs

That would be an absolute travesty as the 49ers are not worthy of a seed and the sub regional hosting opportunity that usually comes with it. There are exceptions however, like Hawai'i being sent on the road last year so the Committee can try to justify anything. I say try because we know that they are usually full of it.

The reasoning for LBSU hosting a 1st round could be that USC, UCLA and Pepperdine all are southland teams who will qualify fer the tournament. Who has the best facility and draws the best? LBSU. The Wahine were unbelievably screwed last year; it could be just a warm up act for this years monkey business.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

The Committee should really take into account, among other things, the game environment where these tourney matches are being played. Nobody wants to be placed in an environment where players of an opposing team are not only heckled but assaulted verbally by classless fans spewing profanity. The Pyramid is not a good choice as a host institution.

[The Bofa on the Sofa]

eov said:

Always the $64,000 question. Personally I think Nebraska will travel. A lady sitting next to us at games who works at the University said the folks she knows who work as event staff think NU is going to Boulder. Of course I wanted to say what event staff?? The old volunteers who "keep em off the floor?" I hope we host, if we don't and it's too far, we'll go to UNK and cheer on the Lopers.

Aside from the fact that the committee has not moved #1 seeds that are hosting regionals (if Nebraska were not a #1, it would be different), the biggest flaw in this whole suggestion is the idea that NU is going to Boulder(??). Boulder?

First, why in the heck would CU be hosting? Second, why would they send a Big 12 team there? They try to avoid such matchups.

Methinks your source is a lot off the mark.

[Deleted]

pablo said:

eov said:

Always the $64,000 question. Personally I think Nebraska will travel. A lady sitting next to us at games who works at the University said the folks she knows who work as event staff think NU is going to Boulder. Of course I wanted to say what event staff?? The old volunteers who "keep em off the floor?" I hope we host, if we don't and it's too far, we'll go to UNK and cheer on the Lopers.

Aside from the fact that the committee has not moved #1 seeds that are hosting regionals (if Nebraska were not a #1, it would be different), the biggest flaw in this whole suggestion is the idea that NU is going to Boulder(??). Boulder?

First, why in the heck would CU be hosting? Second, why would they send a Big 12 team there? They try to avoid such matchups.

Methinks your source is a lot off the mark.

That's why I said----who is your source?---- to the person I was sitting by. the majority of the event staff at NU events are senior citizens who are really just nice old folks that hope no one decides to storm the floor.

[chrisreed]

I think the crew that you have, your event staff basically being all senior citizens should be able to control the crowd storming the floor. Atleast 90% attending husker volleyball are senior citizens. Don't get me wrong, it is one of the best places to play knowing you will not get heckled out of the gym and one of the most appreciative fans for womens volleyball!!!

[Wolfgang]

Do any of you stop to talk to any Event Staff member? Nice people. That's the thing with senior citizens. You give them an audience and they'll talk all day long about "the good old days of yore." I try to make friends with them so they won't kick me out when they discover I have no tickets.

[Wolfgang]

eagleeye said:

One major problem with Hawaii hosting the first round is the expenses for the parents/fans to follow their team. When Western Kentucky was sent to Hawaii in 2002, only one set of parents made the trip(if memory serves me correctly). Getting airline tickets two to three days before traveling makes the tickets more expensive. In 2002 the price for airline tickets to Hawaii for the NCAA tourney for one set of parents from Western Kentucky was $5000.00 (This did not include hotel expenses.).Needless to say that set of parents stayed home. To me it is ridiculous for parents to have to spend that kind of mony to see their daughter play in the NCAA tournament.

Here's something I'm curious about:

How does air fare for bereavement work? You know...someone dies and you have to get on a plane quickly to make it to the funeral. Do the airlines provide discounts? If so, how do they check its authenticity? Do you have to give them the name and contact of a funeral home? How does this work?

Honestly, this is something I know absolutely nothing about. Once I have this info, my knowledge base would be complete. There is nothing I won't know. Anyway, I've had people die on me but they were all local.