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Post by Greenie on Nov 29, 2005 16:25:06 GMT -5
Playing **against** "professional teams" is done all the time. College basketball teams have preseason exhibitions against paid "all star" teams or even the Harlem Globetrotters. Not anymore... they cut that out this year. I think they can only play college teams.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 29, 2005 16:34:08 GMT -5
Playing **against** "professional teams" is done all the time. College basketball teams have preseason exhibitions against paid "all star" teams or even the Harlem Globetrotters. Not anymore... they cut that out this year. I think they can only play college teams. OK - I guess they did. However - I just looked it up, and apparently they allow up to two competitions against "foreign teams" without any specification of pro/amateur status. These would be exempt from the "dates of competition" limit.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 29, 2005 16:45:08 GMT -5
The rules are very clear. You can play in a professional league, you can receive actual and necessary expenses (just like a college scholarship....housing, meals etc) and you can play in a league with pro's. Do those years count against your eligibility? Paying on a club team at a university, or even on a USAV team, counts as a year of eligibility. The NCAA eligibility clock (five years to play four seasons) starts as soon as someone enrolls as a full time student at any college. Some foreign student-athletes have gotten in trouble because they didn't think it was important. Then there's the 21st birthday rule, which mandates a one year loss of eligibility for every one year "window of participation" in a organized competition after the age of 21. Also ripe for abuse with older student-athletes. It's generally very hard to find anyone good enough to play at the NCAA level who hasn't played competetively in that sport. The name that comes to mind (as an exception) is Chris Weinke. He won the Heisman Trophy at Florida State at the age of 28, after several years of playing minor league baseball. This was legal only because the professional sport he played before enrolling at FSU wasn't football, he hadn't enrolled as a full-time college student, and he didn't play organized football since high school. So the question may be twofold. Has the five year window run out, and has eligibility been reduced?
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Post by Greenie on Nov 29, 2005 16:58:10 GMT -5
I don't think it has to be a college team. I think it's just any formally organized team, including things like USAV and even city league. In that case, I would think the foreign teams should count against eligibility.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 29, 2005 17:23:00 GMT -5
I don't think it has to be a college team. I think it's just any formally organized team, including things like USAV and even city league. In that case, I would think the foreign teams should count against eligibility. Personally I think "organized competition" is extremely broad. It could possibly mean YMCA or even company rec leagues. About the only thing that wouldn't count would be playing at open gyms or informal games with friends. I would imagine a volleyball skills camp wouldn't be considered "organized competition".
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Post by bigfan on Nov 29, 2005 17:26:37 GMT -5
How can you say you don't understand the NCAA rules but say you know that USC followed the rules that you don't understand? Not that the NCAA sees to always follow its own rules for all teams anyhow. You answered your own question.
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Post by Wolfgang on Nov 29, 2005 17:30:12 GMT -5
Don't jump me, but I'm thinking...polkas. You be the judge.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 29, 2005 17:32:34 GMT -5
Personally I think "organized competition" is extremely broad. It could possibly mean YMCA or even company rec leagues. About the only thing that wouldn't count would be playing at open gyms or informal games with friends. I would imagine a volleyball skills camp wouldn't be considered "organized competition". When is CAL going to jump on the recruiting bandwagon?
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Post by BearClause on Nov 30, 2005 2:39:48 GMT -5
When is CAL going to jump on the recruiting bandwagon? They have one heck of a 2006 class coming in. Mindi Wiley (6'2" MB with mad hops) from Sonoma Valley HS. Cat Dailey (6'1" polished OH) from Sage Hill HS. Hana Cutura (6'3" all everything OH - 17 years old for the "another ) from the Croatian Junior National Team. And last (but not least) Kristen Kathan (great backrow player and a remarkably effective leftside at 5'6") from Campolindo HS in Moraga, CA. I'm hoping to be floored by the 2007 class. Let's just say I've noticed a few tall bodies in the stands at Haas Pavilion.
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Post by bigfan on Nov 30, 2005 11:08:59 GMT -5
I'm hoping to be floored by the 2007 class. Let's just say I've noticed a few tall bodies in the stands at Haas Pavilion. Where is Mia Jerkov playing now?
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Post by BearClause on Nov 30, 2005 11:48:27 GMT -5
I'm hoping to be floored by the 2007 class. Let's just say I've noticed a few tall bodies in the stands at Haas Pavilion. Where is Mia Jerkov playing now? Last I heard - somewhere in Italy. She was born in Italy, which is probably why her folks named her Mia. Italian was one of the five or so languages she was fluent in. Oh - the comment about Hana Cutara should have been, '17 years old for the "another older foreign recruit?" questioners'.
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Post by uscyaaa on Nov 30, 2005 15:18:06 GMT -5
I can see how allowing Polish people to roam the USC campus can be so offensive. Yes. You know what you call a Polish Volleyball Player who signs to play with U$C??? yeah Beachman...you call her a smart player that doesn't want to play at a lesser program like Long Beach State
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Post by OverAndUnder on Nov 30, 2005 16:52:41 GMT -5
You know what you call a Polish Volleyball Player who signs to play with U$C??? "A future All-American" ??
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Post by gocalbears on Nov 30, 2005 17:55:07 GMT -5
Spekaing of Kathan 31 kills from the 5'6 oh last night couldn't get Campo a state title.
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Post by Murina on Nov 30, 2005 18:11:25 GMT -5
Where is Mia Jerkov playing now? Last I heard - somewhere in Italy. She was born in Italy, which is probably why her folks named her Mia. Italian was one of the five or so languages she was fluent in. She's playing for Forli', a staple team in italy's A1, but not a good one. she's the starting O1. Does well against the lower teams in the league but struggles against the better teams. Her team doesn't have much. ex backup setter for Italy Sangiuliano, german Dumler, and colombian Moreno are the biggest names. Ex Louisville star Sonja Percan is a back-up.
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