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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 6, 2004 22:48:03 GMT -5
UC Santa Barbara 26 24 27
Brigham Young Univ. 30 30 30
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Post by vballguy2001 on Mar 7, 2004 12:04:13 GMT -5
I heard there was a huge fight after the match with carlos and UCSB's players and coaches?  .....anyone know for sure? |
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Post by Rocky on Mar 8, 2004 1:03:58 GMT -5
Anyone know when Evan Patak from UCSB will be returning to action . . . again?
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Post by PukaPants on Mar 8, 2004 9:30:13 GMT -5
I heard there was a huge fight after the match with carlos and UCSB's players and coaches? .....anyone know for sure? This is what I saw.... It was the game point in game three, Moreno and the USCB's middle (I think #25) were trash talking across the net. I'm surprised the up ref didn't catch it because it happened right below him. USCB fought off game point and then they served it into the net to give BYU the win. Moreno looked at #25 and held up his arms and hands with the "I told you so" gesture, more trash talking ensues, a BYU player grabs Moreno and leads him back to the huddle. The two teams line up to shake hands and when Moreno gets to the USCB head coach, I don't know if he said something to the coach or vice versa, but then you see the coach poking his finger into Moreno's chest and then it got heated as they exchanged lots of words - and if it wasn't for Alleman pulling Moreno out of that situation, I'm sure it would have been much much uglier. Finally security came in, but by then, the two teams were already separated. That was the only excitement to a very boring game. |
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 8, 2004 12:18:21 GMT -5
My bro-in-law was there and said there was way too much talking by UCSB for the whipping they took. It's too bad Patak was hurt, would have made for much better matches.
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Post by PukaPants on Mar 8, 2004 12:40:41 GMT -5
Okay, I don't care what anyone else says but I for one appreciate Moreno's fiery tenacity. The rest of the team ignored the trash talking so naturally, Moreno had to be the official spokesman and tell UCSB what's up.
Anyhow, I couldn't figure out why UCSB kept serving Alleman.......his passing was on the money Saturday night and opened up the BYU offense to many options. Victor Batista is fun to watch, Burke is not back to top form but is still threat in the middle. Too bad the UH game isn't in Provo.
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Post by Rocky on Mar 8, 2004 12:56:13 GMT -5
Does anyone have any idea how long Patak is out this time? He is what makes UCSB a big threat.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 8, 2004 13:09:52 GMT -5
Something I have learned about Carlos is he doesn't talk unless provoked. He often gets excited but doesn't taunt unless it is retaliatory. Their coach is so unemotional it is easy to see why the players would also not respond to the trash talking of UCSB.
I think they served Alleman because he usually doesn't pass. Throughout his BYU career you usually see him standing upright in the back behind the primary passers. It sounds like he has really improved that part of his game. This is great because they already have Nando and Shawn who can pass well.
I am glad BYU plays at UH and UCLA because if they can win at these places they will win a championship this year.
Selfishly, I get to watch the games over the net when they play at Hawaii. Also, with UH hosting the championship this year, the more BYU can play there the more prepared they will be come May. The UH crowd hates BYU and THEY WILL BE the majority of the crowd in May.
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Post by socalbud on Mar 8, 2004 14:54:02 GMT -5
I think the main difference between the teams was the setting. Moreno was super. He kept SB's middles off balance both nights. Timing of BYU's offense was sharp. BYU's OH's were 1 on 1 all weekend. Having seen UH, UCLA, Pepp and LBSU, if BYU can play consistently like they did this weekend, they're going to get alot more votes for #1. Balanced attackers, size and movement for blocking, but most impressive - setting. I thought the crowd was great. Loud but appropriate. Great for Men's VB. SB is now working on their 3rd setterthis season. Very frustrating for the offense. If they can't get that part of their program together, it doesn't matter when Patak returns. SB's passing was workable. It broke down after that. SB has adequate fire power, but if you can't load the guns you've got nothing to shoot. Curious to see how SB's coaching responds. There was no " fight" after the game. Some words exchanged, but as Peterson said "Not worth writing about". It will be fun to see how the Cougars deal with Pepp, UH nd UCLA.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 10, 2004 11:28:13 GMT -5
I spoke with Carlos yesterday and got his perspective on what happened Saturday night. He said that their coach, whichever one he had the altercation with, was blowing kisses at him and making other signs and yelling inappropriate comments at him. If he were just a fan it wouldn't be a big deal, but he is a coach. Coaches are held to a higher level. This is a coach with no class. What a lousy example to his team and a poor representative for his school. His job is to prepare his team, not to tear down the other team.
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Post by socalbud on Mar 10, 2004 14:57:18 GMT -5
Easy RedYukon. I've talked to the other side and it is a VERY different story than what you got. There are going to be two sides to this forever. Coach Gandara is respected and, as far as I know, everyone thinks he represents VB well. As stated previously, I agree with your coach, "It's not worth writing about". But a comment in general. As an athlete, why motivate your opponent? Moreno is an outstanding athlete. A superior setter. He knows it and so does everyone who has seen him play. He orchestrated a beautiful and devastating two matches against SB. If he had been gracious in winning he would have completely disarmed his opponents, not only on the court, but off the court as well. He would have won over his opponents with respect for his talent on the court AND his sportsmanship. Instead with his antics, he's now got people fired up at him, AND his teamates. That is self defeating. Don't give your opponents more reasons than they already have to defeat you. He's got a future. If he becomes a lightening rod for controversy, and generates animosity towards his team, his potential for being the team leader becomes diluted. Granted there are exceptions, eg Ali, but that's another topic.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 10, 2004 17:25:12 GMT -5
I was a little harsh and should have put a conditional on it. "If this is really what happened, then..." Sorry about that. I agree with you. There are always 2 sides. He didn't say which coach it was specifically but the antics did occur. I wouldn't want to get the opponent riled up at me either, especially at his place. Anyway I hope they settled their differences and have moved on. I hate to hear about stuff like that.
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Post by Rocky on Mar 10, 2004 17:56:15 GMT -5
Does anybody know the status of Evan Patak? He did not play at BYU due to an ankle injury. Just curious how soon he will be back playing. The Gauchos are hurting when he is out hurt!
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Post by beachman on Mar 11, 2004 8:47:09 GMT -5
So is Moreno the one who is 28 yrs. old?
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Mar 11, 2004 12:03:31 GMT -5
No Carlos is 21 this year I believe. JR Martins from Lewis University is 28.
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