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Post by PukaPants on Aug 29, 2006 23:56:29 GMT -5
You don't have to subscribe, just click on archives, select a date you want to view and scroll down to see all the stories for that date.
Nothing updated so far, but word going around is that Salt Lake Community College coach was one of the whistle blowers and it had something to do with violations no. 3 and no. 4 outlined in the story two posts above. I'm sure we'll find out more as this story unfolds.
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Post by Ajava on Aug 30, 2006 7:27:38 GMT -5
It's a little more than just 3 & 4. Start with number one.......it's why the NCAA put it at the top.
Lack of oversight or a total disregard for the rules....... either way, the microscope is just starting to come into focus.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 30, 2006 14:50:15 GMT -5
Whistle blowers crack me up. They justify their 'tattle-taling' by citing the rules in black-n-white, when what it comes down to is they can't find another way to beat so-n-so.
The same thing happened in Men's volleyball, some stupid rule that really doesn't matter in the scheme of things made two separate teams strip their titles.
The NCAA (or NJCAA in this case) also cracks me up about the whole issue because they ride in on their horse, swinging their 'mace of justice' and just beat the crap out of everything spewing it across the country and leaving it. Then, the pieces spawn up and create new targets down the road.
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 30, 2006 15:21:53 GMT -5
I doubt Ben Stroud's contemporaries in NJCAA are laughing because I am sure there are enough funny money going on in the JUCO ranks. if Ben can go down in a ball of flames then they can too. Let us not forget about Barton County.
The pettiness doesn't stop at that level either. A few years ago the state flagship institution in the middle of the state turned their lesser DI bretheren in the south eastern part of the state for running junior tournaments as fund raisers. If you were to look at the relative budgets for the two instituions you would be wondering why.
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Post by vbbrainiac on Aug 30, 2006 15:46:33 GMT -5
IDboy, you have been my favorite poster, until that comment. You are knowledgable, fun, and have a good sense of humor. BUT, rules are rules. The NCAA doesn't administrate perfectly, but most of the rules are there for a reason.
That 'stupid rule' that stripped 2 men's teams of their titles was/is the NCAA's attempt to keep professionals out of amateur sports. As soon as you begin to look the other way, then the field is not level. That is what most coaches want=a level playing field. This lets their coaching to do their talking (or winning) rather than recruiting/playing pros and not having to coach.
Most modern, civil societies have rules and consequences for not following the rules.
I like civility.
Stroud, apparently broke lots of rules and won with illegal players. This is becoming all to prevalent in our great sport at all levels.
IDboy, you are still my fav.....
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 30, 2006 16:24:12 GMT -5
IDboy, you have been my favorite poster, until that comment. You are knowledgable, fun, and have a good sense of humor. BUT, rules are rules. The NCAA doesn't administrate perfectly, but most of the rules are there for a reason. That 'stupid rule' that stripped 2 men's teams of their titles was/is the NCAA's attempt to keep professionals out of amateur sports. As soon as you begin to look the other way, then the field is not level. That is what most coaches want=a level playing field. This lets their coaching to do their talking (or winning) rather than recruiting/playing pros and not having to coach. Most modern, civil societies have rules and consequences for not following the rules. I like civility. Stroud, apparently broke lots of rules and won with illegal players. This is becoming all to prevalent in our great sport at all levels. IDboy, you are still my fav..... I guess part of my issue with this is that I haven't heard of any warnings, any checks and balances, or anything of a similar nature in place. It's, one minute, we're doing well, the next we're fired. I think that some coaches are going to 'push' the rules to get an edge on others. Many people in life do this. How does the NCAA or NJCAA handle this? They look the other way most of the time. But, when some squeaky wheel gets a turning, usually without much warning WHAM! Mace to the face of a program. Why don't we get press-releases saying the NCAA is investigating 'so-n-so' because some whistle-blower suggested wrong-doing or 'self-reporting?' It doesn't seem that they give much warning or even a fair trial. It appears more, at least the way the news is reported, that it was trial by execution. That is my beef. Re-reading my last post doesn't really convey the same meaning. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Aug 30, 2006 16:34:06 GMT -5
I think that some coaches are going to 'push' the rules to get an edge on others. Many people in life do this. How does the NCAA or NJCAA handle this? They look the other way most of the time. Do they look the other way? Or just don't look at all until they trip over it, or have it shoved in their way? |
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Post by bigfan on Aug 30, 2006 18:49:01 GMT -5
Whistle blowers crack me up. They justify their 'tattle-taling' by citing the rules in black-n-white, when what it comes down to is they can't find another way to beat so-n-so. Does this have any significance for the players who transferred to USC? |
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 30, 2006 19:45:09 GMT -5
Whistle blowers crack me up. They justify their 'tattle-taling' by citing the rules in black-n-white, when what it comes down to is they can't find another way to beat so-n-so. Does this have any significance for the players who transferred to USC? That's a very good question. Some people have already hinted at wrongdoings or professionality at Kaczor, but I know nothing regarding her status. |
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Post by PukaPants on Aug 30, 2006 23:34:36 GMT -5
Marta Siemiatkowska was never able to prove that she financed her own way to CSI, thus the 2004 sanction. I believe CSI had to forfeit their whole season that year.
I think I read somewhere that she was sent to CSI from Tennessee and USC sent Kaczor to CSI. Kazcor only did one year at CSI (freshman) and then transfered to USC where she is now listed as a junior.
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Post by vbbrainiac on Aug 31, 2006 15:33:59 GMT -5
The NCAA doesn't do CNN-style public hearings on coaches that break the rules. They do their own (lacking depth) investigations and then hand down penalties if penalties are due. That is the way it should be. This prevents innocent coaches from being publicly tried. I would say that most coaches don't 'whistle blow' unless they have reason. Only the REALLY dirty coaches get publicly admonished (matches forfeited, scholarships removed or being fired). And even then, most often it is football and basketball coaches that make headlines. There have been many a volleyball coach that have been docked scholarships or made to forfeit matches, but it rarely makes the sports headlines. Little violations get handled in-house.
Because the coach at CSI has been formally caught committing numerous violations and recently fired, it would be a logical leap to wonder about their foreigner's NCAA eilgibility.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 31, 2006 15:37:33 GMT -5
The founders of the United States saw problems with this style of judgment, so created a system of checks and balances, unfortunately, that system has been allowed to be appended to and ammended upon to become the mass of whatever it is today, but it disturbs me that the NCAA has the final word, especially since, I do not trust the massive money making gorilla that the NCAA is.
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Post by vbbrainiac on Aug 31, 2006 15:49:45 GMT -5
Agreed. In terms of the volleyball coach vs. the football or basketball coach, they have nothing to worry about. The NCAA focuses it's rules and investigations on those sports, rarely volleyball. My opinion is that there are lots of volleyball coach rules violators, but VERY few get caught or get punished. And, until the rules are enforced there will be an increase in rules ignorance and violations.
The NCAA's answer to you being 'disturbed' is play NAIA or don't play.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Aug 31, 2006 15:54:38 GMT -5
The NCAA's answer to you being 'disturbed' is play NAIA or don't play. Agreed, the NCAA does not care about it's fans or players. Luckily, I'm not a fan of the NCAA... just have to put up with them to see my favorite collegiate teams. |
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Post by vbbrainiac on Sept 4, 2006 13:43:42 GMT -5
"Does this have any significance for the players who transferred to USC?"
I think so....read the Men's/Boy's thread about the BYU's coach being forced to resign about shading dealings with illegal professionals.
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