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Post by D. B. Cooper on Sept 12, 2006 18:42:53 GMT -5
And not to pick on NU. It's the same for Russ Rose or Mary Wise.
Talk about getting a job, then your right...volleyball is like business. Employers want loyality while at the same time outsourcing your job to India, China or Mexico were someone will do it for much, much less. No different. Volleyball is about winning and business is about the bottomline.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 12, 2006 18:46:52 GMT -5
Loyalty is a weapon invented by management to keep the company together, especially during the rise of labor unions when employees finally had a fighting chance! In contrast, except for some notable exceptions, management has not been too loyal to their employees.
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Post by D. B. Cooper on Sept 12, 2006 18:49:01 GMT -5
You are right, I don't know. You don't know. That's the point...neither of us in position to judge. For players that transfer, I say good luck and hope you find what makes you happy. For the programs, I say the past is the past, you move forward and do the best with what you got.
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Post by beachman on Sept 12, 2006 18:50:39 GMT -5
The NCAA needs to implement the same rules for volleyball that they have in basketball.....you transfer, you sit a year.....at least that will cause many of these kids to put a little more thought in their initial choice, and hopefully cut down on some of the high pressure recruiting that these kids are subject to.....waaaay too many commits by kids who just completed their FRESHMAN YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL!
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 12, 2006 18:55:37 GMT -5
Incidentally, someone made a comment above about the small number of transfers out of UH (except for 1997). It's true. The volleyball Wahine program has been relatively immune of late. However, the basketball Wahine have had mass exoduses, and I beilieve the same goes for the UH men's basketball team. It's not a school by school thing, probably program by program, and perhaps even coach by coach. Someone correct me if I'm wrong about the UH bb teams. I remember highly touted recruits at UH who ended up transferring out, like back to Washington or Oregon, etc. But then again, the UH Wahine bb team plays in front of, what, 40 people in that HUGE SSC? I believe the UH Wahine soccer and water polo teams have had exoduses, too.
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Post by beachman on Sept 12, 2006 19:03:01 GMT -5
I'm not expert, but from what I can see volleyball players in Hawaii are close to celebrity status. It IS the main sport there and because these players are treated like royalty, which cuts both ways, they probably have few defections. I would imagine that many kids who choose to NOT go there do so because they are not interested in movie star status!
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Post by D. B. Cooper on Sept 12, 2006 19:06:40 GMT -5
Also, and I think you are starting to see it more and more, but why do top players think they have to all goto the same 5 schools or have to play in certain conferences? The pride of being recruited by the big name program fades real fast when you never see the playing floor. I think it's cool when top players decided to build a program up and pass on the "elite" programs. Players also need to remember it's just 4 years and will they be happy being replaced. A little honest soul searching in the beginning might prevent some future transfers.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 12, 2006 19:13:44 GMT -5
I've had interviews with personnel when they threaten to quit. I sit down with them. Talk to them. Ask them why they are leaving, what can we do to make things right, what will make him/her stay, negotiate a little. But I NEVER bring up loyalty arguments. Loyalty arguments are the last refuge of scoundrels.
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Post by cinnamonopus on Sept 12, 2006 20:56:21 GMT -5
I've yet to meet an employer who looks beyond the name of the institution someone graduated from and the degree they got. I don't think the transfer/not transfer argument will come into play very often when looking for a job. They'll look at the degree, but not how you got there. After that it's character. And who's to say what takes more character: toughing it out on the bench, or transferring to go after what you want. Not saying one is better than the other; just looking at both sides.
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Post by neodesha on Sept 12, 2006 21:54:55 GMT -5
I'm with you on loyalty, Wolfgang. As noted, there are a million good reasons to transfer, from academics to bullying or unethical coaches--let 'em go and leave 'em alone.
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Post by GatorVball on Sept 12, 2006 21:58:55 GMT -5
I think transfers happen for a variety of reasons. Kids commiting early is part of it. Kids not fully researching all their options, another reason. Kids are kids, they change their minds a lot when they are 18. What makes them happy today, might not tomorrow. Sometimes, they think they are going into a certain situation, but it ends up totally different. A coach could be so nice during recruiting, but be a total dictator once you are on campus. Injuries. Homesickness. Hate your teammates. School is too hard. It's too cold/hot. You end up pregnant. Coaches or assitants change. Tom Cruise is an alien.
The coach brings in new recruits at your position. I mean, if you're a coach and you want this stud player, but then the next year, an even better player is looking at your school, are you gonna pass on that player who you think is better, or let her go cause you have a player already and you want to keep her happy? No, you recruit the best players possible. Coaches recruit over players all the time.
I'd be interested to know which of the perennial top programs have the most transfers, over a 5 or 10 year period. Kids transferring out isn't something you like to see, but it's not necessarily a negative reflection of the program or coach being bad. Of course, sometimes it is.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 12, 2006 22:05:24 GMT -5
Tom Cruise is an alien?
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Post by GatorVball on Sept 12, 2006 22:07:33 GMT -5
Put that in there to see if anyone would read the whole thing. And yes, he is.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 12, 2006 22:10:17 GMT -5
You are right, I don't know. You don't know. That's the point...neither of us in position to judge. For players that transfer, I say good luck and hope you find what makes you happy. For the programs, I say the past is the past, you move forward and do the best with what you got. I didn't mean to be judging with my post, just that this article was yet another transfer that made me wonder. Looking at it more, it does appear she'll be closer to home at Ball State. There are some cases where I know the ins-and-outs of the transferring and all-sides of the story. Most I do not. I'm happy to not know a lot after dealing with a couple.
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Post by GatorVball on Sept 12, 2006 22:23:21 GMT -5
Here's two candidates for transfers next year.....Maggie Griffin of the Huskers, and Kate Price of Penn State. Katie should transfer to Florida so she can play with her cousin for their senior seasons.
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