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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Sept 18, 2006 12:31:03 GMT -5
I don't think so. The PAC 10 is a talented conference but only Stanford and USC (of late) have been able to beat the Wahine on a consistent basis. This year Hawai'i is a banged up team but still, I don't think they'd lose that many PAC 10 matches. I seem to remember a certain two game sweap in Hawai'i September 16th and 17th of last year. Both 3-0 if I remember correctly. If you are trying to say "Hawai'i was good in the 90's so they aren't bad now" then I think your logic is lacking. |
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Post by pineapple on Sept 18, 2006 12:45:56 GMT -5
There is no question that Hawaii's losses have been largely, if not primarily, because of bad passing. Kanoe couldn't set and the hitters couldn't hit because of it. In the last couple of games the passing was better, although not as good as last year's. Consequently Hawaii played better and was able to beat a good Pepperdine team in 5, the tallest team and split with Cal Poly, a team that beat Texas, the second tallest team, ranked 8th at the time, in 5.
If Hawaii were to play the rest of the season the way they played with bad passing, as several have said at the beginning, it would be a long season for Hawaii and they could very likely lose more than win. But I doubt very much the passing will stay bad.
In my estimation, even with the injuries Hawaii would be tough to beat with good passing.
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Post by southie on Sept 18, 2006 13:54:20 GMT -5
Even though I'm a Texas fan, I can sympathize with Hawaii fans when their team was sent to Austin last year for the first 2 rounds. If you recall, the reasoning was that it was less expensive to send Hawaii to Texas, than to send Texas, LSU, and Texas State (I think) to Honolulu. I can definitely see Hawaii getting shipped out again, especially since 3 or 4 teams will have to expense going to Hawaii for the Regional.
The same thing happened in the women's soccer tournament last year. It was less expensive to send a seeded Cal-Berkeley to Austin for the first 2 rounds, than to send Texas, UTEP, and Rice (I think) to California.
Ever since 9/11, the NCAA has put a huge emphasis on limiting travel, and keeping teams in their natural region. So, after the top 16 seeds are set, regionalization becomes a primary goal.
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Post by SaltNPepper on Sept 18, 2006 14:25:45 GMT -5
Ever since 9/11, the NCAA has put a huge emphasis on limiting travel, and keeping teams in their natural regional. So, after the top 16 seeds are set, regionalization becomes a primary goal. If you were reading this board last year, then you will recall that after the committee made there tournament brackets last December, someone on this board (I think it was publius) made a (much better) bracket with the same top seeds the committee picked that would have required less teams traveling than the one the selection committee came up with. So while what you say may be the NCAA's stated goal and justification for some of their screwy bracketing, they aren't even following their own guidelines to minimize travel. If they were, then most of us fans couple probably live with it. |
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Post by Gorf on Sept 18, 2006 14:51:00 GMT -5
With preselected regional sites the host team for a regional should be away from home during the sub-regionals if they're not a top 4 seed.
If they're not a top 4 seed then they didn't earn the right to host both a rub-regional and a regional.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 19, 2006 1:04:26 GMT -5
As for the regional, it will be very interesting to see what happens to Hawaii, especially if they are not seeded. I think going to Hawaii is tough, not just because ye may face Hawaii, (which is tough) but should ye win, that is a long trip back to the mainland, and it takes alot out of ye. I was at the PSU regional last year, and Hawaii's travelled buried them. Agreed. I think Shoji mentioned that the Wahine just ran out of gas against Mizzou. Extreme travel is one of the reasons Hawai'i fans get so upset when the Wahine are sent packing as a seeded crew. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 19, 2006 1:05:23 GMT -5
I don't think so. The PAC 10 is a talented conference but only Stanford and USC (of late) have been able to keel hauled the Wahine on a consistent basis. This year Hawai'i is a banged up crew but still, I don't think they'd lose that many PAC 10 matches. I seem to remember a certain two game sweap in Hawai'i September 16th and 17th of last year. Both 3-0 if I remember correctly. If ye are trying to say "Hawai'i was good in the 90's so they aren't bad now" then I think your logic is lacking. Yes, Washington won those matches, thanks in no small part to the 30 yeard old Yugoslavian pro. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 19, 2006 1:09:31 GMT -5
Even though I'm a Texas fan, I can sympathize with Hawaii fans when their crew was sent to Austin last year for the first 2 rounds. If ye recall, the reasoning was that it was less expensive to send Hawaii to Texas, than to send Texas, LSU, and Texas State (I think) to Honolulu. I can definitely see Hawaii getting shipped out again, especially since 3 or 4 crews will have to expense going to Hawaii for the Regional. The same thing happened in the women's soccer tournament last year. It was less expensive to send a seeded Cal-Berkeley to Austin for the first 2 rounds, than to send Texas, UTEP, and Rice (I think) to California. Ever since 9/11, the NCAA has put a huge emphasis on limiting travel, and keeping crews in their natural region. So, after the top 16 seeds are set, regionalization becomes a primary goal. The Committee could have sent Hawai'i to the West Coast, instead of Texas, then Penn State. They create the tourney so while I understand the travel argument, it really doesn't have to be this hard. The Committee makes their own mess. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 19, 2006 1:13:59 GMT -5
With preselected regional sites the host crew for a regional should be away from home during the sub-regionals if they're not a top 4 seed. If they're not a top 4 seed then they didn't earn the right to host both a rub-regional and a regional. I disagree. If a host crew is a top 16 seed, they should be able to host the sub regional. If the Regional were held elsewhere, wouldn't that crew host a first and second sub regional anyway? Gonna have to add the Hawai'i exception here because everybody knows the Wahine get shafted every December. The point is most seeded crews host first and second round matches anyway, why should it be different because a pre determined regional is already in place? |
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Post by Gorf on Sept 19, 2006 11:09:07 GMT -5
BiK,
A top 16 seed earns the right to host either a sub-regional or a regional (prior to pre-selected regional site they would simply host a sub-regional) while top 4 seed earns the right to host both a regional and a sub-regional.
The NCAA should seed teams correctly though rather than mucking about with the seedings as they have since the advent of pre-selected regional sites.
I'd prefer they also stop having non-top-16 teams hosting sub-regionals in the name of "regionalizing".
They should also just plain get rid of the pre-selected regional sites since for the most part they've been a farce. Go back to giving the regional hosting duties to the top 4 seeds (and to appropriate alternates if top 4 seeds lose before regionals.)
With the NCAA's mucking with seedings you get Minnesota in 2004 as top 4 seed in name only going on the road for sub-regionals (to the site of a non-ranked team) then host a regional.
Plus, you had Washington as a non-top 4 seed hosting both regionals and sub-regionals. So the true top 4 seed of those two was Washington based on their being allowed to host both the regionals and sub-regionals. The NCAA simply needed to have the seeding numbers "look right" in order to fit teams into how they wanted the brackets to look.
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Post by chipNdink on Sept 23, 2006 20:24:21 GMT -5
Wow, what a difference just one week makes! Now who's regional does everyone want to avoid?  |
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Post by Denmark on Sept 23, 2006 20:36:28 GMT -5
AVOID WASHINGTON.
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Post by simplycurious on Sept 23, 2006 22:52:56 GMT -5
I'm avoiding the one with the coldest weather in December! ;D
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 23, 2006 23:57:27 GMT -5
You wouldn't have liked 2004, then, with the tropical destinations of Minneapolis and Green Bay. Actually, though, it only rained in Green Bay, which was fortunate since it didn't turn to ice and I was able to make it there. Still, 38 degrees, windy, and rainy isn't too fun. Watching the Badgers beat Hawaii was fun, though.
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Post by simplycurious on Sept 24, 2006 1:28:50 GMT -5
I still remember the Final Four in Massachusetts in '95. The snow was so bad the buses almost couldn't get to the arena for the matches and we weren't that far away from it.
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