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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2006 11:11:03 GMT -5
Pablo says the following teams are underrated:
Wisconsin (#7)
Oklahoma (#9)
Minnesota (#14)
Missouri (#15)
Iowa State (#21)
New Mexico State (#22)
Duke (#24)
Illinois (#25)
Oregon (#26)
Baylor (#29)
And these are overrated:
UCLA (#8)
Cal (#19)
Hawaii (#27, but with a bullet)
Tennessee (#28)
Ohio (#31)
Ohio is interesting. Pablo has always liked Ohio. I wonder what has changed?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2006 11:12:00 GMT -5
In general? The Pac10's getting too much respect and the Big12 not enough?
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 3, 2006 11:20:54 GMT -5
Pablo says the following teams are underrated: Wisconsin (#7) Oklahoma (#9) Minnesota (#14) Missouri (#15) Iowa State (#21) New Mexico State (#22) Duke (#24) Illinois (#25) Oregon (#26) Baylor (#29) And these are overrated: UCLA (#8) Cal (#19) Hawaii (#27, but with a bullet) Tennessee (#28) Ohio (#31) Ohio is interesting. Pablo has always liked Ohio. I wonder what has changed? Ohio is somewhere between UCSB, who they beat, and San Diego, who they lost to. They also lost some oomph with a 4 game match against a bad Buffalo team. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 3, 2006 11:26:08 GMT -5
In general? The Pac10's getting too much respect and the Big12 not enough? This is the general conclusions you are making about others, or Pablo? If the former, then, yeah, more or less. Pablo has been big on Oklahoma all year. Texas is hanging on by the skin of their first weekend, but as they keep losing, that is starting to fade. However, the key beneficieries are the teams that beat them. They are the ones getting big boosts, while Texas drops only a little. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2006 11:28:14 GMT -5
Yes, the former--what Pablo is saying about others.
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Post by baldyballer on Oct 3, 2006 11:57:26 GMT -5
I mainly follow big 12 teams and think they don't get enough repect. But I think Pablo is pretty accurate from let's say 30-200. I question the top 30 at times.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Oct 3, 2006 13:41:59 GMT -5
Remember when Pablo actually favored Oregon over UCLA? I think Pablo's still underestimating UCLA to some extent, but that's one of the things we'll know more about as the season progresses.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 3, 2006 13:45:25 GMT -5
Oregon has not been favored over UCLA outside of with a HCA in the first ranking of the season.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Oct 3, 2006 14:10:39 GMT -5
That's what I'm talking about: the Pac-10 opener for those schools. The 9/18 Pablo ratings actually favored Oregon (with HCA), but UCLA swept them -22 -13 -20. I think I can say with 95% confidence that Pablo's estimate of those teams' relative strengths was off.
I'm only suggesting that UCLA is a stronger team than its Pablo rating would indicate, much like Texas isn't as strong as its AVCA performance would indicate. There have only been 4 matches played since the Pac-10 opener, not enough yet to counterbalance whatever caused UCLA and Oregon to be rated so close together back then.
UCLA may be a case where the polls have them ranked more accurately than Pablo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2006 14:13:57 GMT -5
I'll bite. Aside from the Florida win and the 5-game win over UW at home, what do you base this on?
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 3, 2006 14:47:18 GMT -5
UCLA did kinda catapult with their wins over Florida and Hawaii, who as time has played out, are not what people thought they would be. If not for a total implosion by UW, they don't win that match. I think UCLA is really good, just not sure they are as good as some may think. I think PSU is the only team out there that I am convinced is really, really, good. UCLA, Stanford, Wash, Nebraska and USC, I still don't have a great feel for.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Oct 3, 2006 14:53:01 GMT -5
I said "may be". The Oregon match is enough to say that the relative rank of UCLA and Oregon was way off. Maybe their weaker preseason schedule threw Pablo off or something. Whatever it is, I think the effect is still dragging down UCLA's Pablo ranking.
Ask someone who's seen them play. Is UCLA playing like the fourth-best team in the Pac-10?
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Oct 3, 2006 14:57:06 GMT -5
Being a Washington fan, I can say this. Washington isn't "really, really" good. Not like last year. Oh, they'll play like it for some matches, but not others. They're certainly good, but I don't think they're ready to dominate the NCAA.
Yet. ;D
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 3, 2006 15:40:58 GMT -5
I said "may be" The Oregon match is enough to say that the relative rank of UCLA and Oregon was way off. Or maybe not. You can't overrate a single match. If UCLA's match against Oregon is enough to say the relative rank was "way off", then the USC match was enough to say the relative ranks of Oregon and USC was NOT way off. So then, Oregon should be ranked higher. But then, USC beat Washington in 4 last week, whereas UCLA went to 5. So the Washington match says USC should be higher than Oregon. How is your ranking system going to handle that? Will you tell it to ignore USC? |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 3, 2006 23:45:16 GMT -5
Ask someone who's seen them play. Is UCLA playing like the fourth-best team in the Pac-10? Absolutely not. (R)uffda! will eat his words when the Bruins win the PAC 10. Like he did when the Bruins knocked the Big 10 champs out of the tourney only a few years ago. ;D UCLA is for real. (R)uffda's insistence otherwise doesn't change anything. |
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