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Post by planetasia01 on Apr 14, 2004 22:16:07 GMT -5
Yup.. ucsd got to the final 4 On the club side of the equation... many teams go to far- off tournaments anyway just to get some good, non-league competition (to keep it real intersting), scout teams for possible matchups at Nationals, get the team used to traveling, and also to have fun in far off places. This past season my team has traveled to Far Westerns @ Davis, the Las Vegas Invitational, and Cal Cup @ UC Irvine. Many other teams have travel alot more, espcially some of he Midwest teams. I bet if UCSB decided to open up competition back up to club teams, they would have at least 15 teams waiting to get in. But on the other hand, you do need money for refs. With some of you being refs, how much do you get paid for reffing various levels of volleyball?
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Post by gobears on Apr 14, 2004 22:26:34 GMT -5
1. If an NCAA Div. 1 team got beat by a club team in the first pool, they occasionally ended up in the all club pool the second day. They hated that. Some paid to travel to Sta B from all over and did not consider it worth their while to play only club teams the second day with no chance to move out of that pool. 2. Lots more games/matches were played in this tourney than is usual .....to get it all done in 2 days. There were 12 club teams and 12 Div. 1 teams... and the MPSF schools, especially when sideout scoring was still in effect, complained that it wore their players out to play so much. They don't do tourneys like club teams do with a bunch of matches in two days. NCCVL just had a tourney last month with 8 matches in two days. MPSF coaches felt the quality of play was not/could not be good with so many matches. (You can guess what the club teams said!) 3. More and more MPSF teams would boycott the tourney for above reasons each year. And go to a variety of other 3 match tourneys just to shake the rust off. So...to fill the Div. 1 quota of teams, a couple MPSF schools would send their varsity and jv as two separate teams . 4. Then Arizona with their full scholarship club program won it all one year and that was the last straw. Az scholie money has dried up now I believe and they have to fundraise and pay out of their pocket like everyone else....and therefore don't have the strong players they got when they could give 12 scholarships or whatever it was. So Club teams were no longer invited. Ken had no choice if he wanted more MPSF teams to come. 5. I am sure there are budget and scheduling issues as well for using the Thunderdome ....the tourney dates started getting shoved around due to bball. With fewer teams paying to come, Ken P. obviously doesn't have the $$$ to pay for the Thunderdome. From the Club end of things, it is really a shame. The competition was great for them, and 2-3 club teams often ended up in the Power Pool, Championship Flight on Sat and gave a good accounting of themselves. Tourney also should be continued because the sport needs the exposure and the D1teams need to support all men's vb, if they don't want it to go away entirely at the NCAA level. Rumors already of a D 3 team dropping back to club next year, due to $$ cuts in the State funding for the school. And now that rally scoring is the rule, I really don't think the D1 teams would be too put upon to play good ball over the 2 days. Ya think?
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Post by BarcelonaBob on Apr 15, 2004 1:49:51 GMT -5
4. Then Arizona with their full scholarship club program won it all one year and that was the last straw. Az scholie money has dried up now I believe and they have to fundraise and pay out of their pocket like everyone else....and therefore don't have the strong players they got when they could give 12 scholarships or whatever it was. So Club teams were no longer invited. Ken had no choice if he wanted more MPSF teams to come. What year did Arizona win? I remember they played CSUN for 3rd place in 1999 (and lost), but LBSU played USC for the championship that year. Those were the years that Steve Walker (ex-LBSU star) set for Arizona. I can't remember what happened in 2000, since I left early that year. I remember LMU played somebody in either the 3rd place or championship match. Only time I can remember a club team making it to the championship match was in 1998, when Sac State played UCSB in the championship match and lost. They used a modified scoring format as an experiment (something like playing quarters and halves instead of games/match). I remember the UCSB faithful heckling the Sac State guys mercilessly. Funniest one was they were heckling one of the Sac State's OH's, a scrawny 6'1" guy who was making the UCSB block look stupid. They were teasing him because he had absolutely no calf muscles. But that guy could jump out of the gym, calves or no calves.
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Post by BearClause on Apr 15, 2004 10:31:26 GMT -5
What year did Arizona win? I remember they played CSUN for 3rd place in 1999 (and lost), but LBSU played USC for the championship that year. Those were the years that Steve Walker (ex-LBSU star) set for Arizona. I can't remember what happened in 2000, since I left early that year. I remember LMU played somebody in either the 3rd place or championship match. Only time I can remember a club team making it to the championship match was in 1998, when Sac State played UCSB in the championship match and lost. They used a modified scoring format as an experiment (something like playing quarters and halves instead of games/match). I remember the UCSB faithful heckling the Sac State guys mercilessly. Funniest one was they were heckling one of the Sac State's OH's, a scrawny 6'1" guy who was making the UCSB block look stupid. They were teasing him because he had absolutely no calf muscles. But that guy could jump out of the gym, calves or no calves. Arizona won it in 2002. www.dailynexus.com/sports/2002/2027.html
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Post by fightingminime on Apr 15, 2004 11:32:36 GMT -5
The won a lot in 2002 . . . they also won ALL THREE divisions of the men's club championships . . . EVERYONE at the finals was cheering against them . .
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Post by gobears on Apr 15, 2004 11:54:57 GMT -5
in 2002 the tourney was just considered scrimmage competition I believe by the NCAA as club teams participated. I hear now that all matches vs club teams are considered 'matches' towards the total allowed by the NCAA. Anyone have definitive info on that?
Still if there are a bunch of matches at the current Santa Barbara tourney between the MPSF teams that attend, they all must count as well.
Anyone know if the total # of NCAA allowed matches has been reduced lately and what the total is?
Also are offseason competitions with NCAA teams and club teams totally non counted towards anything? Cal ran an offseason tourney with STanford and UOP, UCSC I think and a bunch of club teams in mid Nov. I don't think it counted towards anything.
While teams aren't as sharp as early January maybe the only way to get this club and NCAA combo tourney up and running again somewhere is to do it in mid Nov?
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Post by BarcelonaBob on Apr 15, 2004 21:55:57 GMT -5
Ahh, I see now. I think that's why we skipped going to the E-bar that year, because the tournament had downsized, and was mostly club teams.
To see that tournament just kinda wither away is kinda sad. In the early 90's, even UH used to make the trek up to the mainland to play in it, up until they started their own early-season tournament, the Outrigger Invitational.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I think the combination of less money to spend by most programs, and the fact that other MPSF schools like UH, Pepperdine, and LBSU started their own tournaments in January led to the UCSB Invitational's decline. Another factor that contributed is the fact that UCSB's men's and women's bball teams have become more prominent in recent years, and have taken away emphasis on men's volleyball at the school in terms of facilities scheduling priority, etc.
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