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Post by Rocky on Apr 16, 2004 23:48:37 GMT -5
Anyone go to the game that can give us some insight? I would love to hear the difference between last night and tonight. Did Pepperdine let down since they already have 4th place locked up? Did Hawaii play that much better? Was Pepperdine too tired from all the jumping last night (so many blocks)? Someone clue us in . . .
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Post by midwestfan on Apr 16, 2004 23:51:14 GMT -5
I like that ... too tired from jumping! Funny!
Hopefully VBCrusin and/or Bookum will show up sometime soon and let us know something.
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Post by 808empath on Apr 17, 2004 0:19:04 GMT -5
Awesome what a rebound, from last night, but still it doesnt help much... But good win for the warriors, at least they beat pepperdine on pepperdines home court... Go Warriors!!!
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Post by BarcelonaBob on Apr 17, 2004 0:22:22 GMT -5
This was a meaningless match from the get-go, as it had no effect on the standings or seedings for the playoffs.
Hawaii did erase their 0-for-whatever record at Firestone, it would have been nicer if they could have done it in a match that had implications.
I like the prospect of a UH/UCLA first-round match at Pauley. I think UH matches up better against UCLA than it does against Pepperdine, and it would be really nice if they were the ones to knock the Bruins out of the playoffs and out of consideration for a Final Four bid. I believe UCLA will have to win the MPSF tournament or at least knock BYU out in the semis (as the #3 seed they will probably be on the same side of the 8-team bracket as BYU), to get a Final Four bid. If they lose to BYU in the semis and LBSU makes the finals, then regardless of the results of the MPSF championship match - BYU and LBSU will both go to the Final Four, one as the automatic bid and one as the at-large.
Matter of fact, BYU has the advantage in most of the traditional at-large criteria, even if UCLA were to beat them in the semis, I still believe they will get the at-large berth.
Of course...it is the MPSF playoffs, and weird things can happen, like in 2000 when LMU knocked #1 seed LBSU out at the Pyramid in the first round.
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Post by warriordudette88 on Apr 17, 2004 0:31:43 GMT -5
i really think that hawaii has a better chance against UCLA than Pepp. i'd be more nervous if they had to go back to northridge. a lot of them played there last year when they swept so maybe it won't be as hard to get acclimated. the two teams split earlier in the year with hawaii having its original line-up. i don't think the additions of bender and woodward will make a big difference because everyone knows that scates will dissect tape on them. let's hope that they don't run out of gas in the third game.
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Post by Rocky on Apr 17, 2004 0:33:00 GMT -5
BarcelonaBob -
I don't believe UCLA would meet BYU any earlier than the finals of the MPSF tourney. I believe it goes like this:
First round: 8 at 1 (Stanford or UCI at BYU) 7 at 2 (UCSB at Long Beach State) 6 at 3 (Hawaii at UCLA) 5 at 4 (CSUN at Pepperdine)
Second round (hosted by the highest remaining seed): Winner of 8 at 1 vs Winner of 5 at 4 Winner of 7 at 2 vs Winner of 6 at 3
Finals (at the same site of the semis) Winner of each of the semis listed above
There should be some very exciting matches throughout the MPSF playoffs. I would not be surprised if there are some upsets.
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Post by BarcelonaBob on Apr 17, 2004 0:44:52 GMT -5
BarcelonaBob - I don't believe UCLA would meet BYU any earlier than the finals of the MPSF tourney. I believe it goes like this: First round: 8 at 1 (Stanford or UCI at BYU) 7 at 2 (UCSB at Long Beach State) 6 at 3 (Hawaii at UCLA) 5 at 4 (CSUN at Pepperdine) Second round (hosted by the highest remaining seed): Winner of 8 at 1 vs Winner of 5 at 4 Winner of 7 at 2 vs Winner of 6 at 3 Finals (at the same site of the semis) Winner of each of the semis listed above There should be some very exciting matches throughout the MPSF playoffs. I would not be surprised if there are some upsets. Yeah. I think you're right on that one. I forgot the 2nd round usually goes 1 vs. 4, and 2 vs. 3. That brings up some interesting possibilities if UCLA and LBSU were to meet in the semis. LBSU, I think (correct me if I'm wrong) owns both head-to-head regular season matches against UCLA. So, even if UCLA were to beat LBSU and then lose to BYU (assuming there are no upsets on that side of the bracket), I still believe LBSU has the at-large criteria over UCLA. We'll just have to see how everything plays out. I can see Scates making a big stink if he were to beat LBSU in the semis but get shut out of an at-large bid, but it would be no different than similar situations involving at-large berths in previous years.
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Post by Rocky on Apr 17, 2004 0:51:51 GMT -5
I would not be so quick to rule out upsets in any of the MPSF matches. We have seen it all season and why should it stop now!
The at large bid is going to be tough to guess. If BYU does not win the MPSF tourney than I think they have the best chance for the bid. If they do win the tourney I would have to give the edge to Long Beach. However, we have seen strange things happen in the past and as I have pointed out before, UCLA is a sentimental favorite (since this would be the first group not going to the final four in their four years of playing). I am not saying UCLA should get the at large, I am just saying we have seen stranger things happen in the past.
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Post by BarcelonaBob on Apr 17, 2004 0:55:35 GMT -5
I would not be so quick to rule out upsets in any of the MPSF matches. We have seen it all season and why should it stop now! The at large bid is going to be tough to guess. If BYU does not win the MPSF tourney than I think they have the best chance for the bid. If they do win the tourney I would have to give the edge to Long Beach. However, we have seen strange things happen in the past and as I have pointed out before, UCLA is a sentimental favorite (since this would be the first group not going to the final four in their four years of playing). I am not saying UCLA should get the at large, I am just saying we have seen stranger things happen in the past. Well...ever since the fiasco in 1994, the NCAA Selection Committee has been publishing the criteria for the at-large bid, and has pretty much stuck to it. One would hope that if things do get strange in the playoffs, that the committee will stick to the criteria and not judge on "sentimental value". Me personally, I'm am rubbing my hands at the prospect of a UCLA class completing their eligibility without a championship. There goes one of Scates' major recruiting blurbs - "Come to UCLA and you WILL win a championship in your 4-year career".
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Post by ACE on Apr 17, 2004 3:28:07 GMT -5
I think a true Final Four would be great for the sport. Although, last year was awesome. But having BYU, UCLA, Long Beach, and possibly Hawaii/Pepperdine in the Final Four would be spectacular.
Just have the Mens NCAA tournament feature the top 12 seeds:
#1 Seed First Round Bye #2 Seed First Round Bye #3 Seed First Round Bye #4 Seed First Round Bye
#5 vs #12 First Round #6 vs #11 First Round #7 vs #10 First Round #8 vs #9 First Round
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