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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 31, 2006 1:58:22 GMT -5
Hate to rain on the parade, but let's not forget that Hawaii was once a sovereign nation, ruled by a Queen, until American businessmen and descendants of missionaries orchestrated the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian nation, with support of the US government. And the point of you posting this is? YOu just opened a big can of worms with this. This was unnecessary to put here.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 31, 2006 6:37:00 GMT -5
Wolfgang mentioned the island syndrome, that after the novelty of being in Paradise wears off, you feel trapped on an island. Many of the military families stationed in Honolulu we've befriended say the same thing. On any island in Hawaii (8 major islands) you cannot drive longer than 30 minutes without seeing the ocean. What's so funny about this is that I felt the exact opposite when I first drove in the Midwest. Driving there for the first time I felt so trapped, landlocked and frustrated because I couldn't see the ocean.
I should also say that every major city in the country has its bad segments. There are some bad areas on Oahu, which is synonymous with the City and County of Honolulu, but they are not prevalent. You get an idea from Dog the Bounty Hunter. But even within these "bad" sections it's relatively safe as good civil minded people live there too. We do not have ghettoes. The native Hawaiians are naturally a laid back, friendly and loving people, who to me were the role model for the other ethnic groups, whether they're from Asia, Puerto Rico or Europe. More than 50% of marriages here are interracial. Part Hawaiians and part Caucasions are two of the fastest growing groups in the population.
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Post by gobows on Dec 31, 2006 9:42:59 GMT -5
Ditto on feeling lost on the mainland. Went there in my early twenties and felt so small and ...can't describe the feeling of the HUGE middle America and small me. Also expecting the ocean over every rise in the road and never seeing it.....felt absolutely lost and afraid. Who needs to drive more than an hour in one direction anyway? ?
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Post by PukaPants on Dec 31, 2006 15:06:27 GMT -5
Hate to rain on the parade, but let's not forget that Hawaii was once a sovereign nation, ruled by a Queen, until American businessmen and descendants of missionaries orchestrated the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian nation, with support of the US government. And the point of you posting this is? YOu just opened a big can of worms with this. This was unnecessary to put here. Because it's the TRUTH. Let's give the full history, not the sanitized tourist version. There's nothing wrong with it.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 31, 2006 16:41:11 GMT -5
;D Well, my island friends... we do have something in common. Cockroaches We are well aquainted with them in Florida. How glad I am for that! Not aligators. ;D
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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 31, 2006 17:30:37 GMT -5
Isn't it an oxymoron?
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Post by pineapple on Dec 31, 2006 19:39:54 GMT -5
Almost exactly.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 31, 2006 20:16:22 GMT -5
And the point of you posting this is? YOu just opened a big can of worms with this. This was unnecessary to put here. Because it's the TRUTH. Let's give the full history, not the sanitized tourist version. There's nothing wrong with it. I know it's the truth and I didn't say that there was anything wrong with it. I jus don't think that this is the appropriate place to bring it up. No one in this thread mentioned the history of Hawai`i. I'm a Hawaiian Studies and Hawaiian Language major at UH and I know all about it. So I'm not saying that it is unnecessary because I don't care or believe it or anything. I'm 100% against what happened and I'm a true Hawaiian that is deep into my roots and culture. I jus feel that it is unnecessasry to mention that here.
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Post by pineapple on Dec 31, 2006 22:39:58 GMT -5
Well, I am a brada like the two that seem to be in disagreement in the above. Let me put things in perspective. Hawaii is the only State that once was a kingdom, (reason we have the only palace in the US), then a Republic. Lahaina and Honolulu are older than most mainland cities. California, and Texas were still part of Mexico. In fact, Lewis and Clark hadn't crossed the mississippi yet when Hawaii was already established. Hawaii's Punahou and Lahaina Luna are two of the oldest high schools in the US, and Kamehameha HS is by far the weathiest. As can be seen, Hawaii's culture and society were already developed and far more advanced than many places on the mainland when Hawaii was annexed by the US at the turn of the century.
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Post by italianmattd on Jan 1, 2007 7:03:14 GMT -5
Thank you! It's time to move on!
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Post by bunnywailer on Jan 1, 2007 11:55:52 GMT -5
Hawaii is overrated.
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Post by baywatcher on Jan 1, 2007 13:15:26 GMT -5
As a Caucasian mainlander who was in an inter-racial marriage, I seriously considered moving to Hawaii just so my 1/2 and 1/2 kids would feel at home. Of course, I would be an outlander and probably could never have gotten a decent job, so didn't go. Great to see TV commercials with all races intermingling, without being self-conscious or forced. Would love to see the Final Four in Oahu on a regular basis, along with Nebraska and a few other spots. Friendly Hawaiian culture, laid back and accepting, is perfect for vacations, and that's whats being discussed here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2007 14:40:42 GMT -5
Hawaii is a great place to live, but be prepared for sticker shock. Almost everything is more expensive in Hawaii than it is on the mainland, just go to a grocery store to find this out. Honolulu usually comes in right behind only New York and San Francisco is cost of living surveys. Average home prices nearing $650K
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Post by lazybones on Jan 1, 2007 18:07:32 GMT -5
Can't forget about all the New Year's Eve smoke.
Last night I met my friend's sister's boyfriend, this dude from Penn State, who was visiting his girlfriend's family here in Hawaii. We spent the night popping firecrackers together, and he had never seen a street so loud and smoky in his life.
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Post by honore on Jan 2, 2007 15:40:45 GMT -5
pineapple wrote:
Lahaina (Maui) celebrated their 175th anniversary in 2006. They are the oldest in the U.S. "west of the Rockies". Had to look up Punahou and was surprised that it was that old -- founded 1841.
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