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Post by jlo on Jan 3, 2007 16:32:23 GMT -5
Just thought I would throw this out there to see what people south of the 49th parallel think. Canada's national championships are open tournaments, ie any teams from around the globe are welcome. As a coach/parent I would love our players to have the oppurtunity to compete against the best US teams. Teams from Manitoba regularly attend various JO qualifiers and are competitive. We would need to send an all-star club team to compete for an open championship! Curious  |
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Post by Huskyfan on Jan 3, 2007 17:09:09 GMT -5
Teams from Puerto Rico (mainly in the younger age groups) have attended Junior Olympics in the past. I assume these teams qualified through one of the qualifying tournaments. So, I don't see why Canadian teams can not do the same.
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Post by jlo on Jan 3, 2007 17:23:47 GMT -5
Wow, I didnt know this. I was under the impression that the JOs were only open to US girls teams. I know that the JOs are open for boys since a 17 team from Manitoba qualified and finished 5th this past year. Can anyone else help to clarify this.
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Post by Huskyfan on Jan 3, 2007 19:11:11 GMT -5
I just check the USAV site. Last year, a Puerto Rican team won the 14 Open. From USAV website: Girls' 14 Open Tournament - Gold Division Champion  Arsel 14, Puerto Rico Front Row: Lourdes Bertran, Edwin Rodriguez, Christian Jimenez, Patricia Vera, Ashley Carrero, Claudia Rodriguez, Stephanie Gonzalez, Gelymar Rodriguez Back Row: Luna Maysonet, Shara Venegas, Valeria Rivera, Liza Alvarado, Patricia Flores |
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Post by silversurfer on Jan 3, 2007 21:03:02 GMT -5
Wow, I didnt know this. I was under the impression that the JOs were only open to US girls teams. I know that the JOs are open for boys since a 17 team from Manitoba qualified and finished 5th this past year. Can anyone else help to clarify this. Puerto Rican teams are eligible because it's, you know, a U.S. territory. Canada...not so much. As difficult as it is just for American teams to qualify for JOs these days, I don't think they're going to start opening it up for Canadian any time soon. Guys need teams, I imagine. Girls divisions are overloaded, and I'm sure that the USAV doesn't want to take a spot from an American team to make room for a Canadian one. |
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Post by Huskyfan on Jan 3, 2007 21:21:48 GMT -5
Wow, I didnt know this. I was under the impression that the JOs were only open to US girls teams. I know that the JOs are open for boys since a 17 team from Manitoba qualified and finished 5th this past year. Can anyone else help to clarify this. Puerto Rican teams are eligible because it's, you know, a U.S. territory. Canada...not so much. That is interesting, because Puerto Rico has its own separate volleyball federation and can send their own team to FIVB competitions and the Olympics. Plus, US players count as foreign players in their pro league. So, when it comes to volleyball, they are not much different from Canada. IMO, if a team of amateur girls within the age bracket comes to a qualifier, pays the fee, and wins a bid, why not let them in? |
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Post by jlo on Jan 3, 2007 21:37:20 GMT -5
That to me sounds like the American dream! I agree but I think SilverSurfer is correct.
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Post by silversurfer on Jan 3, 2007 21:47:59 GMT -5
Puerto Rican teams are eligible because it's, you know, a U.S. territory. Canada...not so much. That is interesting, because Puerto Rico has its own separate volleyball federation and can send their own team to FIVB competitions and the Olympics. Plus, US players count as foreign players in their pro league. So, when it comes to volleyball, they are not much different from Canada. IMO, if a team of amateur girls within the age bracket comes to a qualifier, pays the fee, and wins a bid, why not let them in? Because it's the US Junior Olympics. It's not an international competition. And like I said, they're having a hard enough time creating enough divisions for the all the American teams that want in. |
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Post by cyberVBmidwest on Jan 4, 2007 13:41:41 GMT -5
This is from the USAV 2006 Girls Pre-Tournament Manual:www.usavolleyball.org/media/juniors/06_girls/gjoPTM.pdfB. Foreign Team Participation for National Junior Competitions (e.g. USA Volleyball Junior Olympic Championships, National Invitational and all Qualifying Events) 1. A Foreign Team (registered with its National Volleyball Federation) may participate if it duly applies for and is accepted in compliance with the event's regulations, is not representing its country in an official capacity, and the federation of origin grants permission for participation. 2. Foreign Teams must purchase foreign player insurance, which will be provided by USA Volleyball. The expense shall be debited to the event at cost and shall be added to the entry fee. 3. A waiver to the foreign player insurance fee shall be granted to Canadians who provide written proof of 24-hour health coverage valid in the United States. 4. Each member of a Foreign Team shall have in his/her possession(s), and shall have previously filed with the Event Director, the following documents: a. Photo identification (Driver's license or comparable government issued document), and b. A signed copy of the USA Volleyball Code of Conduct and Waiver and Release of Liability (provided on page 2 of the Foreign Team Tournament Registration form). www.usavolleyball.orgAdditionally, for junior-age competitions, each Foreign Player (of a Foreign Team) must also possess and have on file with the Event Director: c. Copy of birth certificate or Government Issue Identification with birth date d. USA Volleyball's "Consent for Medical Treatment & Release" form, signed by the player's parent or legal guardian. Where does it say a Canadian team cannot compete in JO's??? They just need to qualify in a qualifier.
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Post by jlo on Jan 4, 2007 15:10:53 GMT -5
Thanks cyber. The team would have to be accepted which due to numbers would probably be rejected??
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Jan 4, 2007 17:23:53 GMT -5
Last year there were a couple of Brazilian teams that came to the Emerald City classic in Seattle, WA.
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Jan 4, 2007 18:29:28 GMT -5
Last year there were a couple of Brazilian teams that came to the Emerald City classic in Seattle, WA. Yes, but the ECC is just a regular tournament, not a qualifier. |
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Jan 4, 2007 18:31:07 GMT -5
Just above the section quoted by CyberVbMidwest it says:
For the USA Junior Olympic Girls Volleyball Championships, the following Territories and their associated Federations are eligible to participate by qualifying through one of the nine National Qualifiers:
• Puerto Rico
• Guam
• US Virgin Islands
• American Samoa
So Puerto Rico is treated differently than Canada, as it should be (since it is a US Territory and Canada is not).
While it is possible for a foreign team to participate if they jump through all the hoops correctly, it is doubtful they would be accepted in a qualifier if that means US teams would not be able to enter. Of course, there are some qualifiers that do not fill up their fields, so that would be the way in.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Jan 6, 2007 16:04:45 GMT -5
I just check the USAV site. Last year, a Puerto Rican team won the 14 Open. From USAV website: Girls' 14 Open Tournament - Gold Division Champion Arsel 14, Puerto Rico Front Row: Lourdes Bertran, Edwin Rodriguez, Christian Jimenez, Patricia Vera, Ashley Carrero, Claudia Rodriguez, Stephanie Gonzalez, Gelymar Rodriguez Back Row: Luna Maysonet, Shara Venegas, Valeria Rivera, Liza Alvarado, Patricia Flores Do "front row" and "back row" have different meanings in Spanish than in English?  |
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Post by pz9ysr on Jan 7, 2007 0:25:58 GMT -5
jlo good luck pursuing jo for your team. our team won canada-east as 14u, then last year won 15u canada-east and 15u canada-west. our coach approached usva to compete in a jo qualifier but was unsuccessful. boys are accepted due to numbers, but not girls. let us know if you have any better luck than us.
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