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Post by woody on Jan 27, 2007 11:29:24 GMT -5
I can see I lost you at "model after." What part of "doubles, AVP size sand courts, four-on-four, or IVA rules did you not understand?"
A bit of IVA trivia. In 1980 it was ruled Olympic players in one sport could be professionals in another thus opening the door for professional athletes to participate. A good example being Babeto of Brazil who played several years in the IVA then the 1980 Olympics as an amateur.
The IVA or, International Volleyball Association Professional League was deemed not to be volleyball by FIVA, thus it was ruled to be another or different sport. As such IVA volleyball players were granted amateur status as volleyball players for the 1980 Olympics and after.
The ruling was based on the unique rules and format of the IVA; co-ed, fixed-position, different ball, different scoring. Interestingly so is beach volleyball, a different Olympic sport, I mean. So, exactly "how do you promote volleyball by not playing volleyball?" I don't know but the AVP seems to be doing okay.
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Post by bunnywailer on Jan 27, 2007 19:07:56 GMT -5
This has to be one of the better discussion topics I've seen. Thanks to you all for the memories. Here's my idea for a new pro league. They should model it after the World Team Tennis format. Two men and two women on a team. The first two matches, for example, would be a women's doubles and a reverse co-ed. After halftime they'd raise the net and have a co-ed and men's doubles. The fifth game (set) would be a four on four co-ed. They would use the small AVP size court to promote rallies. IVA style rules in the fours - no rotations - only the serve. Each player would play three games. Besides each team's overall win loss record, each of the five separate game formats would have its own won/loss record. So a woman player, for example, could be ranked #1 in Women's doubles, co-ed or reverse, and fours. That way even if a four-person team is not doing well they can still have one or two "teams" in contention for something. Each road trip would be two nights to help save travel costs. And I forgot to mention matches would be played on sand courts. Deeper the better. Imagine Misty's team playing Karch's team or Keri's team? Might also be a good format for older player's with skills and name recognition to still compete. Well? Dumb idea? Good idea? Let me have it? How do you promote volleyball by playing a game that is not volleyball? Who says it's not volleyball? When volleyball started, the net was 6 feet, teams had up to 20-something people on it, and you could catch the first ball over. Of course, that was around 1898, but that's beside the point. ;D
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Post by bunnywailer on Jan 27, 2007 19:37:12 GMT -5
The IVA was okay. Team Cup Volleyball was way better.
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Post by michy44 on May 29, 2007 13:01:52 GMT -5
How fun to have Google bring me to this thread! I hope you all are still following it.
I was a ballboy for the Comets in their final season. (Woody - maybe I met you?) They played in the Denver Coliseum, and that year, they had: Stan Gosciniak, Jon Stanley, Garth Pischke, Miles Pabst among others. I even still have my Comets cap!
I remember well the drug sting. It was right after the last spike of the last game of the season, and I remember the Casey brothers being escorted out of the arena in handcuffs. I was stunned. I remember that one of the brothers was a real nice guy, while the other was a prick. But they were both young and seemingly into the game. Little did all of us know.
Nice trip down memory lane, all. Thanks for letting me contribute.
- Mitch
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Post by 121212 on May 29, 2007 15:56:16 GMT -5
Some IVA info: www.geocities.com/prosportshistory/ivahistory.html International Volleyball Association -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coed Professional Major League Volleyball League Established: 1975 Folded: 1979 11 Total franchises 11 Defunct franchises 1 Franchise movement 1 Franchise name change IVA Franchise History IVA Champions 1 El Paso / Juarez Sol (1975-1977) 2 Los Angeles Stars (1975-1976) Orange County Stars (1977-1978) 3 San Diego Breakers (1975-1978) 4 Santa Barbara Spikers (1975-1979) 5 Southern California Bangers (1975) Tucson Turquoise (1976) Tucson Sky (1977-1979) 6 Phoenix Heat (1976-1977) 7 Denver Comets (1977-1979) 8 Seattle Smashers (1978-1979) 9 Albuquerque Lazers (1979) 10 Salt Lake City Stingers (1979) 11 San Jose Diablos (1979) Year Champion Runner-Up 1979 Tucson Sky Santa Barbara Spikers 1978 Santa Barbara Spikers Tucson Sky 1977 Orange County Stars El Paso/Juarez Sol 1976 San Diego Breakers Los Angeles Stars 1975 Los Angeles Stars San Diego Breakers IVA Championships by Franchise 2 Los Angeles/Orange County Stars 1975 1977 1 San Diego Breakers 1976 1 Santa Barbara Spikers 1978 1 Tucson Sky 1979
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