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Post by learning on Jun 10, 2007 12:02:29 GMT -5
This is the kind of discussion I find so maddeningly confusing ... if Destinee's block against Nebraska was so incredible, does it not follow that Texas would have won? Yet, Texas did not beat Nebraska and has yet to win the Big 12, either in tourney or in conference... and in fact only took third in conference last year and didnot win their tournament either. So even Oklahoma was able to nullify this tremendous block.
Now, don't come back with the duh this is a team sport thing either, because so far this discussion has only focussed on how terrific this block is against the "player of the year," etc. It seems results should matter and if the block is overcome, then scores of athletes have a similar block, at least in terms of results, these athletes can threaten, they may jump a bit shy of Destinee, but the effect is the same.
Please explain how it is that Texas fans want to have it both ways ... that is, the block is so great and yet they don't win.
And of course congratulations to Destinee for her terrific victory in the high jump.
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Post by gobruins on Jun 10, 2007 12:45:01 GMT -5
Maybe she should concentrate on high jump full time and try to make a run at qualifying for the Beijing 2008 Olympics (I'm sure a lot of volleyball coaches would say "Yes!"). But seriously, she should consider. I have just checked the USA Track & Field statistics page, and Hooker is the top high jumper in the nation with 6-4. The top competition comes from Erin Aldrich (6-3.5) and Amy Acuff (6-2.75). Not a great comparison. While college athletes are peaking at the NCAA championships, international athletes are just beginning their season. Not saying that Hooker couldn't be a top international high jumper, just saying that you shouldn't compare college marks with international marks at this point in the season.
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Post by Murina on Jun 10, 2007 13:02:16 GMT -5
So Erin Aldrich played her last match for Altamura on the 6th of May. On the 20th she posted the second best high jump in the USA and one of the top 10 heights in the world for 2007 (1cm lower than Hooker's best)!
I don't know much about athletics, so I don't know if I should be impressed, but I am anyway!
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Post by Kampy on Jun 10, 2007 16:41:01 GMT -5
Texas did not beat Nebraska and has yet to win the Big 12, either in tourney or in conference... and in fact only took third in conference last year and didnot win their tournament either. So even Oklahoma was able to nullify this tremendous block. Just to clarify, the Big 12 does not have a post-season tournament. Everybody plays everybody once at home, & once on the road.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Jun 10, 2007 18:05:41 GMT -5
This is the kind of discussion I find so maddeningly confusing ... if Destinee's block against Nebraska was so incredible, does it not follow that Texas would have won? Yet, Texas did not beat Nebraska and has yet to win the Big 12, either in tourney or in conference... and in fact only took third in conference last year and didnot win their tournament either. So even Oklahoma was able to nullify this tremendous block. Now, don't come back with the duh this is a team sport thing either, because so far this discussion has only focussed on how terrific this block is against the "player of the year," etc. It seems results should matter and if the block is overcome, then scores of athletes have a similar block, at least in terms of results, these athletes can threaten, they may jump a bit shy of Destinee, but the effect is the same. Please explain how it is that Texas fans want to have it both ways ... that is, the block is so great and yet they don't win. And of course congratulations to Destinee for her terrific victory in the high jump. You find it so maddeningly confusing because your own post is, quite clearly, so madly confused. Destinee has the ability (with another year or two of training and better connection with her setter) to consistently hit over what is widely described as the best blocking team in the country. The comment was directed at this attacking ability. No one has breathed a word about Destinee/Texas having superior blocking to Nebraska or other NCAA teams, yet you have devoted multiple lines of ranting to arguing against that (imaginary) point.
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Post by vbuzz on Jun 10, 2007 18:59:16 GMT -5
I never thought I would say this but, I agree with you 100%.
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Post by Tex_VB_Fan on Jun 10, 2007 20:30:17 GMT -5
"Learning" has yet to learn how to comprehend what he reads. Wow, raises a big stink about a post he obviously misread.
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Post by BeiBei on Jun 10, 2007 21:34:50 GMT -5
This is the kind of discussion I find so maddeningly confusing ... if Destinee's block against Nebraska was so incredible, does it not follow that Texas would have won? Yet, Texas did not beat Nebraska and has yet to win the Big 12, either in tourney or in conference... and in fact only took third in conference last year and didnot win their tournament either. So even Oklahoma was able to nullify this tremendous block. Now, don't come back with the duh this is a team sport thing either, because so far this discussion has only focussed on how terrific this block is against the "player of the year," etc. It seems results should matter and if the block is overcome, then scores of athletes have a similar block, at least in terms of results, these athletes can threaten, they may jump a bit shy of Destinee, but the effect is the same. Please explain how it is that Texas fans want to have it both ways ... that is, the block is so great and yet they don't win. And of course congratulations to Destinee for her terrific victory in the high jump. This post is maddeningly amusing ;D ;D
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Post by Orpheus on Jun 11, 2007 8:40:08 GMT -5
Please explain how it is that Texas fans want to have it both ways ... that is, the block is so great and yet they don't win. As a Texas fan, it's difficult to respond to this statement because your facts are inaccurate, but I'll give it a try. 2006 record: 24-7, 2005 record: 25-5, 2004 record: 26-5. At the very least, those are above average winning records. Further, the emphasis Texas has placed on its own block up through this coming season is laughable at best. However, due to expectations from a "return to grace" program status that UT has earned, Texas fans want to have it both ways ... that is, learn to block despite their winning record.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Jun 11, 2007 12:38:49 GMT -5
Not to mention they took Stanford to 28-30 32-34 33-31 24-30 in the regional final. In kills, digs, assists, and aces the two teams were nearly identical. The difference, as we all know, was that Stanford outblocked Texas 18.5 to 11. Obviously Stanford's blocking will only improve this year, but it remains to be seen how much the Texas block will improve, but you'd expect there to be a big improvement with the recruiting class added to a more experience sophomore/junior core. If there isn't an improvement, of course we at VolleyTalk will be the first and loudest to criticize. So stay tuned. ;D
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Post by huskervbfan on Jun 11, 2007 13:08:20 GMT -5
I'd lay odds that some VT folks will criticize even if they do improve
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Post by brybry2 on Jun 11, 2007 13:55:39 GMT -5
This is the kind of discussion I find so maddeningly confusing ... if Destinee's block against Nebraska was so incredible, does it not follow that Texas would have won? Yet, Texas did not beat Nebraska and has yet to win the Big 12, either in tourney or in conference... and in fact only took third in conference last year and didnot win their tournament either. So even Oklahoma was able to nullify this tremendous block. Now, don't come back with the duh this is a team sport thing either, because so far this discussion has only focussed on how terrific this block is against the "player of the year," etc. It seems results should matter and if the block is overcome, then scores of athletes have a similar block, at least in terms of results, these athletes can threaten, they may jump a bit shy of Destinee, but the effect is the same. Please explain how it is that Texas fans want to have it both ways ... that is, the block is so great and yet they don't win. And of course congratulations to Destinee for her terrific victory in the high jump. You find it so maddeningly confusing because your own post is, quite clearly, so madly confused. Destinee has the ability (with another year or two of training and better connection with her setter) to consistently hit over what is widely described as the best blocking team in the country. The comment was directed at this attacking ability. No one has breathed a word about Destinee/Texas having superior blocking to Nebraska or other NCAA teams, yet you have devoted multiple lines of ranting to arguing against that (imaginary) point. Leave him alone. He's still "learning"...about how to write a cohesive argument. It doesn't seem like Hooker would have to drop volleyball to solely focus on Track. I mean, you run and you jump. Okay, I'm oversimplifying but it's not as complicated as other sports. Seems like Aldrich was able to meet the balance. Heck, Hooker could easily compete in Beijing just like the collegiate swimmers (and I think like other collegiate track stars but I'm not a follower of that sport). I think the bigger issue would be if Hooker wants to be great in volleyball, she would have to drop Track at some point. After 2008, Hooker could be our star OPP (only hitting no passing like Metcalf).
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