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Post by aggiedog on Sept 23, 2007 0:49:55 GMT -5
Just back from the match and the after-game Sideout Club get-together. Mike Jordan didn't hold anything back in his talk to the club members. "4 match points and 4 lollipop serves" "team didn't playup when it needed to and Hawaii did."
As for the fans, I sat two rows behind the Hawaii contingent of about 20 fans, who had seat in the first two rows behind the Hawaii bench. Yes, the NMSU fans were loud! There was one former student (unfortunately a friend of former NMSU player Alice Borden's) who was really trash-talking the Hawaii players before the game even started. Event staff gave her warnings and then she moved (was moved?) to a seat further away from the players. After that, she quit being a dork. Other than that person, I didn't see or hear any other "problems".
I won't say that the refs were bad. There were questionable/argued calls against both teams, and inconsistent calling of lifts/double-hits, but not that many.
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Post by Aikea on Sept 23, 2007 0:58:04 GMT -5
Just back from the match and the after-game Sideout Club get-together. Mike Jordan didn't hold anything back in his talk to the club members. "4 match points and 4 lollipop serves" "team didn't playup when it needed to and Hawaii did." As for the fans, I sat two rows behind the Hawaii contingent of about 20 fans, who had seat in the first two rows behind the Hawaii bench. Yes, the NMSU fans were loud! There was one former student (unfortunately a friend of former NMSU player Alice Borden's) who was really trash-talking the Hawaii players before the game even started. Event staff gave her warnings and then she moved (was moved?) to a seat further away from the players. After that, she quit being a dork. Other than that person, I didn't see or hear any other "problems". I won't say that the refs were bad. There were questionable/argued calls against both teams, and inconsistent calling of lifts/double-hits, but not that many. Thanks for the information aggiedog! Did someone get hurt in the stands? I saw the paramedics behind the benches. I hope nothing too serious.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Sept 23, 2007 0:58:26 GMT -5
Tough win but I'll take it. WAC tournament's going to be harder. Good win Wahine! A win is a win. I think the Wahine showed a lot of heart and determination to pull this one out at the end. They could have folded at anytime with all the match points NMSU had, but they continued to fight. The WAC tournament is definitely going to be another great showdown if these two teams make it through to the championship. But I definitely predict that it will be a well-played match as both teams will be greatly improved as they get ready for the NCAA tournament. We'll just have to wait and see to see which team improves the most by that time. But lets not forget these two teams will meet again in Honolulu before the WAC tournament. I think it's going to be another great match. Hawai`i fans need to pack the Stanley for that match...it's going to be a great one!
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Post by Gorf on Sept 23, 2007 0:59:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand all the talk of UH traveling.
They make the trip to the mainland 4 times this season, or 3 times if they stay on the mainland the 5-6 days between the Utah State match and the Nebraska match.
That's either 3-4 long flights for 9 matches on the mainland.
The 2nd and 3rd matches each trips are similar or or not excessively worse than match travels for many / most conferences plus they play ~2/3rds of their matches at home?
What am I missing / misunderstanding in their travel issues?
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Post by LowVBIQ on Sept 23, 2007 1:03:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand all the talk of UH traveling. They make the trip to the mainland 4 times this season, or 3 times if they stay on the mainland the 5-6 days between the Utah State match and the Nebraska match. That's either 3-4 long flights for 9 matches on the mainland. The 2nd and 3rd matches each trips are similar or or not excessively worse than match travels for many / most conferences plus they play ~2/3rds of their matches at home? What am I missing / misunderstanding in their travel issues? I think it is the HOURS spent traveling as well as the time zones that they cross. I know I am too old to be able to even stay awake for the schedule they keep starting with the red-eye out of Honolulu...Never mind any athletic endeavors short of tying my shoes.
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Post by ACE on Sept 23, 2007 1:07:10 GMT -5
Tough win but I'll take it. WAC tournament's going to be harder. Good win Wahine! A win is a win. I think the Wahine showed a lot of heart and determination to pull this one out at the end. They could have folded at anytime with all the match points NMSU had, but they continued to fight. The WAC tournament is definitely going to be another great showdown if these two teams make it through to the championship. But I definitely predict that it will be a well-played match as both teams will be greatly improved as they get ready for the NCAA tournament. We'll just have to wait and see to see which team improves the most by that time. But lets not forget these two teams will meet again in Honolulu before the WAC tournament. I think it's going to be another great match. Hawai`i fans need to pack the Stanley for that match...it's going to be a great one! I'm going to be there! I've booked my flight from the big island and my hotel and rented my car...now only if the superferry is operating....
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Post by Aikea on Sept 23, 2007 1:15:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand all the talk of UH traveling. They make the trip to the mainland 4 times this season, or 3 times if they stay on the mainland the 5-6 days between the Utah State match and the Nebraska match. That's either 3-4 long flights for 9 matches on the mainland. The 2nd and 3rd matches each trips are similar or or not excessively worse than match travels for many / most conferences plus they play ~2/3rds of their matches at home? What am I missing / misunderstanding in their travel issues? the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Sep/20/sp/hawaii709200370.htmlAnd that's good because Hawai'i (8-3, 2-0 Western Athletic Conference) travels more than any college volleyball team on the planet. Over the last five seasons, the 'Bows have averaged 42,000 miles a year. In the first of those five years, its four opponents in the WAC's West Division traveled a little over 40,000 miles combined. This year, with a rare mid-season match at top-ranked Nebraska, Hawai'i will travel more than 37,000 miles before the NCAA Tournament begins. There is little doubt it will have to go at least 5,000 more after that; the volleyball committee sent the 'Bows to Green Bay, Wisc., in 2005 and Penn State in 2006. 2007 (scheduled): Trip 1—9,458 Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State and San Jose State Trip 2—6,989 Boise State, Idaho and Utah State Trip 3—8,601 Lincoln, Neb. Trip 4—5,496 Nevada, Fresno State Trip 5—6,588 WAC Tournament in Las Cruces, N.M. Total before NCAA Tournament: 37,132
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Post by chipNdink on Sept 23, 2007 1:17:27 GMT -5
or maybe NMSU drops out, hmm that is the question. hawaii MAYBE will move up. Watch the poll carefully, Wahine and Aggie fans. UH is at 13, NMSU is at 25. Washington is at 8, Oregon is at 24. UH beat NMSU in 5 close games. Washington beat Oregon in 5 close games. The situations are very similar - let's see on Monday if the winners and losers receive the same fair treatment relative to each other, regardless of whether they are WAC teams or PAC teams. Nope, situations are not similar. It only shows that Oregon and NMSU were ranked too low (in Oregon's case, ranked way too low). While Hawaii was ranked way too high. Washington is still undefeated. The situations are not similar. If Oregon (previously with only 1 loss) had been given the proper respect they deserved in their ranking, then a close match with Washington would've and should've been expected. If Hawaii, with 3 losses already, had been given a correct lower ranking--rather than their over-inflated ranking, then a close match with NMSU would've and should've been expected as well. In one case, we have a close match between two high caliber teams. In the other case, we have a close match between two lower caliber teams. The situations only SEEM similar due to the incorrect rankings by the AVCA poll. You're only trying to make the two situations SEEM similar; but DEEP in your heart, you know the results show that Oregon deserves to be moved up in ranking, while Hawaii should be moved down in ranking.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 23, 2007 1:23:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand all the talk of UH traveling. They make the trip to the mainland 4 times this season, or 3 times if they stay on the mainland the 5-6 days between the Utah State match and the Nebraska match. That's either 3-4 long flights for 9 matches on the mainland. The 2nd and 3rd matches each trips are similar or or not excessively worse than match travels for many / most conferences plus they play ~2/3rds of their matches at home? What am I missing / misunderstanding in their travel issues? the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Sep/20/sp/hawaii709200370.htmlAnd that's good because Hawai'i (8-3, 2-0 Western Athletic Conference) travels more than any college volleyball team on the planet. Over the last five seasons, the 'Bows have averaged 42,000 miles a year. In the first of those five years, its four opponents in the WAC's West Division traveled a little over 40,000 miles combined. This year, with a rare mid-season match at top-ranked Nebraska, Hawai'i will travel more than 37,000 miles before the NCAA Tournament begins. There is little doubt it will have to go at least 5,000 more after that; the volleyball committee sent the 'Bows to Green Bay, Wisc., in 2005 and Penn State in 2006. 2007 (scheduled): Trip 1—9,458 Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State and San Jose State Trip 2—6,989 Boise State, Idaho and Utah State Trip 3—8,601 Lincoln, Neb. Trip 4—5,496 Nevada, Fresno State Trip 5—6,588 WAC Tournament in Las Cruces, N.M. Total before NCAA Tournament: 37,132 those are probably just air miles too ... let's remember that a lot of these road trips are also compounded by layovers and also long bus rides ... i have never been a travel apologist for HI ... and i'm not about to start. we're in the WAC and well, we just have to deal with what we are dealt ... but i just wanted to add to the discussion.
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Post by aaronic on Sept 23, 2007 1:23:21 GMT -5
Watch the poll carefully, Wahine and Aggie fans. UH is at 13, NMSU is at 25. Washington is at 8, Oregon is at 24. UH beat NMSU in 5 close games. Washington beat Oregon in 5 close games. The situations are very similar - let's see on Monday if the winners and losers receive the same fair treatment relative to each other, regardless of whether they are WAC teams or PAC teams. Nope, situations are not similar. It only shows that Oregon and NMSU were ranked too low (in Oregon's case, ranked way too low). While Hawaii was ranked way too high. Washington is still undefeated. The situations are not similar. If Oregon (previously with only 1 loss) had been given the proper respect they deserved in their ranking, then a close match with Washington would've and should've been expected. If Hawaii, with 3 losses already, had been given a correct lower ranking--rather than their over-inflated ranking, then a close match with NMSU would've and should've been expected as well. In one case, we have a close match between two high caliber teams. In the other case, we have a close match between two lower caliber teams. The situations only SEEM similar due to the incorrect rankings by the AVCA poll. You're only trying to make the two situations SEEM similar; but DEEP in your heart, you know the results show that Oregon deserves to be moved up in ranking, while Hawaii should be moved down in ranking. Can you say biased? Why don't you start another thread for your team. .
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Post by chipNdink on Sept 23, 2007 1:30:05 GMT -5
Nope, situations are not similar. It only shows that Oregon and NMSU were ranked too low (in Oregon's case, ranked way too low). While Hawaii was ranked way too high. Washington is still undefeated. The situations are not similar. If Oregon (previously with only 1 loss) had been given the proper respect they deserved in their ranking, then a close match with Washington would've and should've been expected. If Hawaii, with 3 losses already, had been given a correct lower ranking--rather than their over-inflated ranking, then a close match with NMSU would've and should've been expected as well. In one case, we have a close match between two high caliber teams. In the other case, we have a close match between two lower caliber teams. The situations only SEEM similar due to the incorrect rankings by the AVCA poll. You're only trying to make the two situations SEEM similar; but DEEP in your heart, you know the results show that Oregon deserves to be moved up in ranking, while Hawaii should be moved down in ranking. Can you say biased? Why don't you start another thread for your team. . How am I biased? Just based upon the facts. Or have Wahine fans already forgotten being swept by Oregon State (in Hawaii even), while Washington just swept Oregon State easily (at Oregon state even). Come on, who's being "biased" here??
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 23, 2007 1:32:20 GMT -5
Watch the poll carefully, Wahine and Aggie fans. UH is at 13, NMSU is at 25. Washington is at 8, Oregon is at 24. UH beat NMSU in 5 close games. Washington beat Oregon in 5 close games. The situations are very similar - let's see on Monday if the winners and losers receive the same fair treatment relative to each other, regardless of whether they are WAC teams or PAC teams. Nope, situations are not similar. It only shows that Oregon and NMSU were ranked too low (in Oregon's case, ranked way too low). While Hawaii was ranked way too high. Washington is still undefeated. The situations are not similar. If Oregon (previously with only 1 loss) had been given the proper respect they deserved in their ranking, then a close match with Washington would've and should've been expected. If Hawaii, with 3 losses already, had been given a correct lower ranking--rather than their over-inflated ranking, then a close match with NMSU would've and should've been expected as well. In one case, we have a close match between two high caliber teams. In the other case, we have a close match between two lower caliber teams. The situations only SEEM similar due to the incorrect rankings by the AVCA poll. You're only trying to make the two situations SEEM similar; but DEEP in your heart, you know the results show that Oregon deserves to be moved up in ranking, while Hawaii should be moved down in ranking. the funny part is that you kinda proved Over's point ... and while you pretty much accuse him of making his claim based on faulty assumptions ... you make yours based on assumptions that are arguably faulty too ...
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Post by shai87 on Sept 23, 2007 1:39:08 GMT -5
i think we are comparing the washington/oregon 5 gamer. not oregon state, those are two completely different teams and two completely different schools. so why are we looking back at hawaii being swept by oregon state? thats over and done with.
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Post by chipNdink on Sept 23, 2007 1:39:49 GMT -5
... the funny part is that you kinda proved Over's point ... and while you pretty much accuse him of making his claim based on faulty assumptions ... you make yours based on assumptions that are arguably faulty too ... What faulty assumptions am I making?? I'm just stating facts: win/loss records, performance against common opponents (Oregon State in this case).
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Post by chipNdink on Sept 23, 2007 1:45:20 GMT -5
i think we are comparing the washington/oregon 5 gamer. not oregon state, those are two completely different teams and two completely different schools. so why are we looking back at hawaii being swept by oregon state? thats over and done with. 5 gamers show two teams are comparable and should be closely ranked. In Washington/Oregon case, it shows Oregon should be ranked HIGHER. In Hawaii/NMSU case, it shows Hawaii should be ranked LOWER. I brought up the Oregon State comparison to show that Washington and Hawaii are NOT playing at the same level, so that Washington going 5 with Oregon is NOT the same as Hawaii going 5 with NMSU.
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