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[goGopherBill]

To my friend gorf..

Did I ever say that foriegn states dont fund trade schools?

I said they dont throw money away at students that show no improvement...I am ALL for training students real world job skills minus "underwaterbasket weaving and calculus" for everyday applications..we all cant be computor geeks..

I think that gays would not want gay kids taught and led by straight parents...they dont need to move to Canada...California and Mass. are still in the USA..

I think...

If my grandkids decide they are gay..I would continue to love them and support them...and it proves my assumption that "they decided" for themselves and its not genetic. I still like my liberal democratic straight and gay friends...hey they may win the next election! Though I doubt it...

Your assumptions that straight kids exposed to gay parents is not entirely correct...many straight kids have converted to gay after seeing that life style...I believe its just a learned environmental process...not genetic.not a disease...

on ward to the environment....
where registered Democrats out number the Republicans again.. yet Bush still got RE ELECTRED..

[itsallaboutme]

Your assumptions that straight kids exposed to gay parents is not entirely correct...many straight kids have converted to gay after seeing that life style

This thread should be re-titled "More lies & uninformed assumptions from goGopherBill.

[Gorf]

goGopherBill said:

To my friend gorf..

Did I ever say that foriegn states dont fund trade schools?

I said they dont throw money away at students that show no improvement...I am ALL for training students real world job skills minus "underwaterbasket weaving and calculus" for everyday applications..we all cant be computor geeks..

Bill, have you actually looked into the amount of money foreign countries put into their general education and trade schools?

Even if you don't want to be a "computer geek" does that mean that the children of our society ought to be raised to fear computers rather than being trained on how to use them and the commonly available software effectively?

Your analogy sounds like farmers of the distant past that thought education was wasted on their sons because they don't need to reeedin rightin and rithmatickin to plow the family farm.

I think that gays would not want gay kids taught and led by straight parents...they dont need to move to Canada...California and Mass. are still in the USA..

I think...

Since you're generalizing, I know you're wrong.

Gay parents that I know want only the same things for their children as they advocate for any other children.

For them to be healthy, happy, and have opportunities to succeed in life. Though they teach them that nothing is garanteed or promised. They don't teach them that being gay is the correct or only way to live life.

If my grandkids decide they are gay..I would continue to love them and support them...and it proves my assumption that "they decided" for themselves and its not genetic. I still like my liberal democratic straight and gay friends...hey they may win the next election! Though I doubt it...

They decision made by gays isn't predominantly in realizing that they are gay, but deciding to stop living that they've felt is a lie for the sake of their family, friends, and society by pretending to be straight when they've never felt that way.

Your assumptions that straight kids exposed to gay parents is not entirely correct...many straight kids have converted to gay after seeing that life style...I believe its just a learned environmental process...not genetic.not a disease...

Please show me your studies that indicate that Bill, the ones that haven't been refuted as being based on pure anti-gay bias.

There are numerous studies. Some do indeed cite differences in kids raised by homosexual parents as opposed to heterosexual parents.

They cite things like females raised by gay couples show more interest in doing things other than being "Suze homemaker" by wanting to work jobs that aren't considered to be tradition "women's work".

They cite thing like males raised by gay couples show less of a tendency towards overall aggression towards others.

They don't cite a higher percentage of children raised by gay couples ending up being gay themselves than children raised by straight couples.

Do you think that boys raised by single striaght moms have a higher chance of ending up being effiminate, or heaven forbid, gay because of being confused with no father figure being present?

Do you think that girls raised by single straight dads have a higher chance of ending up being masculine, and again heaven forbid, gay because of being confused with no mother figure being present?

on ward to the environment....
where registered Democrats out number the Republicans again.. yet Bush still got RE ELECTRED..

Yep...

GWB loves telling everyone that since he got relected he's having man dates.

I guess he's been coming out of the closet about being gay.

[goGopherBill]

Your arguments are pointless...any study you provide can be linked to those who support it.
If what you claim is true then why do gays want to change the fact of what a traditional marriage has been both in church and state?

They bend religion to meet their agenda..bend and use other civil rights to do the same...if thats not trying to influencing Americas youth I cant help but shake my head.They want everyone to accept their lifestyle as normal and it is not. The only reason we discuss it here at all was why the democrats cater to them and their failure to win elections...might be proof that society does not accept your conclusions...I never intended it to be so anti biased against gays ..but you are not thinking politically yet ..just emotionally.

Bring your computor skills to my world and you starve...
A welder doesnt need to know rocket science..a clerk typist doesnt need 4 years of p.e. and higher math either.
Thats all been for the benifit of hiring extra teachers...

An electrician doesnt need to know political science...music or how to play tennis.
Trade schools saved my kid...after high school failed to teach him any job skills...but thats right.. I talk of personal experience ...you use text books and Democratic double speak.

And turning my arguments around wouldnt win any debate points either..try something original.
If I say the sky is red ..blue and you say blue ..red it only shows your arguments are for arguments sake alone. and claiming some report it as you claim doesnt matter .I could do the same.

[Gorf]

goGopherBill said:

Your arguments are pointless...any study you provide can be linked to those who support it.
If what you claim is true then why do gays want to change the fact of what a traditional marriage has been both in church and state?

Duh..

Because they want some of the same rights that those in a "normal" marriage have?


In terms of the studies, many (if not the vast majority) of them were performed by people / groups that have no real bias one way or the other.

There actually are some credible researchers out there Bill - they don't become suspect just because their findings differ from what you want them to find.

They bend religion to meet their agenda..bend and use other civil rights to do the same...if thats not trying to influencing Americas youth I cant help but shake my head.They want everyone to accept their lifestyle as normal and it is not. The only reason we discuss it here at all was why the democrats cater to them and their failure to win elections...might be proof that society does not accept your conclusions...I never intended it to be so anti biased against gays ..but you are not thinking politically yet ..just emotionally.

You're describing your own actions here Bill.

The conservatives are the ones trying to force others into their lifestyles by limiting others.

The gays in particular are not telling you how to live your life, they simply want to be able to live their lives with some of the same rights that are given to others.

Bring your computor skills to my world and you starve...
A welder doesnt need to know rocket science..a clerk typist doesnt need 4 years of p.e. and higher math either.
Thats all been for the benifit of hiring extra teachers...

An electrician doesnt need to know political science...music or how to play tennis.
Trade schools saved my kid...after high school failed to teach him any job skills...but thats right.. I talk of personal experience ...you use text books and Democratic double speak.

More Bill bobbing and weaving...

You're making silly assumptions again Bill. My primary "computer skill" is general problem solving. It works in just about any field. You determine what needs to be done and find a good solution to completing the job effectively and efficiently.

And turning my arguments around wouldnt win any debate points either..try something original.

Actually, in terms of real "debates" refuting your opponents arguments is a major goal.

If you're arguments were sound, had merit, or had a basis in reality how could I possibly turn them around?

If I say the sky is red ..blue and you say blue ..red it only shows your arguments are for arguments sake alone. and claiming some report it as you claim doesnt matter .I could do the same.

ROFL.

You could do the same but you appear to be too lazy (or afraid?) to do any research to support your arguments. You frequently just throw things out that are anecdotal myths that have little if any basis in reality.

Gravity exists Bill, and even if you don't believe in it, if you jump off a tall building you will land and likely get hurt.

"186,000 miles per second. Its not just a good thing, its the law."