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Post by chipNdink on Nov 10, 2004 11:41:22 GMT -5
Where are all those people who "claim" they support Bush's war in Iraq?? Come on folks, sign up and get your butt over there; your country needs you!! Why is Bush trying to force people who have already been retired from the military for many years back into service against their will?? If you "truly" believe the war in Iraq is just, moral, and worthwile--then STOP talking about it and go over there to fight!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2004 11:49:49 GMT -5
Or, failing that, open up your wallets and PAY for it.
The Bush policy:
Your kids' lives Your kids' kids' money Better there than here
Right. It's all about MORALITY.
They make me sick.
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Post by chipNdink on Nov 10, 2004 12:02:39 GMT -5
Or, failing that, open up your wallets and PAY for it.... Yes, I agree. If poor and middle class families are sacrificing their children in Bush's war in Iraq, then the LEAST he can do is make the rich PAY for his war in Iraq; but NOOOOOOO, the rich are getting tax breaks and paying less and less during a time of war!!
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 10, 2004 13:11:51 GMT -5
Where are all those people who "claim" they support Bush's war in Iraq?? Come on folks, sign up and get your butt over there; your country needs you!! Why is Bush trying to force people who have already been retired from the military for many years back into service against their will?? If you "truly" believe the war in Iraq is just, moral, and worthwile--then STOP talking about it and go over there to fight!! I think I heard that loser Michael Moore say the same thing.
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Post by Eater on Nov 10, 2004 14:23:41 GMT -5
So, since you think we should have a police force, you're gonna go down to the ghetto and start arresting people?
Are you going to personally go down and put out the next fire in your town? Are you going to go teach in the ghetto like you want other people to do?
Are you going to voluntarily tax yourself more to pay for those social welfare programs you want? Under what retarded method are you even going to get certain people to pay more than others for specific programs? Do you even understand how government and civilization works?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2004 14:48:06 GMT -5
Not more. Nobody said "more." I think it is morally insupportable for us to claim this is the right war blah blah blah, but put off paying for it because we don't want higher taxes.
If it's the right thing to do, we need to pay for it.
Just like we need to pay for those police and firemen and those roads and those schools...
Now clean up your tone.
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Post by chipNdink on Nov 10, 2004 14:58:53 GMT -5
...Do you even understand how government and civilization works? Yes, quite well; which is more than I can say for you. Apparently you agree with Bush forcing re-activation of retired military personnel against their wishes. These are veterans who've already served their country well, and should not be forced to sacrifice further. You also apparently believe that Bush is correct in putting our country further and further into debt in order to pay for the war; that my friend, is NOT how governments and civilizations should work. You should learn from history.
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Post by chipNdink on Nov 10, 2004 15:09:42 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1100104882&start=3#0 date=1100110311]
I think I heard that loser Michael Moore say the same thing.[/quote] And your point is?? Apparently you have no point, so you've resorted to childish name calling. Come back when you've developed the ability to have a mature conversation and can debate a topic based upon the merits and facts.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 10, 2004 17:38:11 GMT -5
And your point is?? Apparently you have no point, so you've resorted to childish name calling. Come back when you've developed the ability to have a mature conversation and can debate a topic based upon the merits and facts. Isn't it obvious? My point is that you share the same whiny assed idealogy as that loser Moore so what does that make you? You have the audacity to tell me to come back when I've developed the ability to have a mature conversation after you post this nonsense..... "Where are all those people who "claim" they support Bush's war in Iraq?? Come on folks, sign up and get your butt over there; your country needs you!! Why is Bush trying to force people who have already been retired from the military for many years back into service against their will?? If you "truly" believe the war in Iraq is just, moral, and worthwile--then STOP talking about it and go over there to fight!!" Practice what you preach.
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Post by Eater on Nov 10, 2004 17:44:45 GMT -5
Yes, quite well; which is more than I can say for you. Apparently you agree with Bush forcing re-activation of retired military personnel against their wishes. These are veterans who've already served their country well, and should not be forced to sacrifice further. You also apparently believe that Bush is correct in putting our country further and further into debt in order to pay for the war; that my friend, is NOT how governments and civilizations should work. You should learn from history. Apparently you dont understand contracts any better than anything else. THEY SIGNED AN AGREEMENT SAYING THEY COULD BE REACTIVATED IF NECESSARY. Stop loss and the inactive ready reserve are both EXPLICITLY LISTED on the service contract. The yagreed to "sacrifice further" if the government wanted them to. Should learn from history? Well we went into debt to fight Vietnam, and that was bad. But then we went into debt to fight WW2 and that was apparently good, so what did you want me to learn? I could as easily argue we're going into debt for needless social programs as you can argue its for the war, it all comes from the same money.
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Post by Eater on Nov 10, 2004 17:46:19 GMT -5
Not more. Nobody said "more." I think it is morally insupportable for us to claim this is the right war blah blah blah, but put off paying for it because we don't want higher taxes. If it's the right thing to do, we need to pay for it. I dont see the problem in putting off paying for some of it until later (and why not say its social programs we aren't paying for?). I think we'll be better off economically by keeping taxes low and encouraging economic growth which will give us continued benefits and allow us to balance the budget and not stifling it by raising taxes.
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Post by Gorf on Nov 10, 2004 19:43:23 GMT -5
I dont see the problem in putting off paying for some of it until later (and why not say its social programs we aren't paying for?). I think we'll be better off economically by keeping taxes low and encouraging economic growth which will give us continued benefits and allow us to balance the budget and not stifling it by raising taxes. So, since you're so concerned with social programs and their cost would you care to enlighten us to the particular programs their costs that you find so objectionable? Has the GWB administration increased spending on those social programs? He's increased the national budget by roughly $140 -$150 billion per year in each of his first three fiscal years in office - and that doesn't include the $120 billion spent on the Iraqi war efforts for FY 2004. That's already at least $50 billion more than Clinton's administration increased the federal budget during his entire 8 years as president.
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Post by chipNdink on Nov 10, 2004 20:25:56 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1100104882&start=8#0 date=1100126291] ...Practice what you preach. [/quote] You mean like Bush avoiding combat in Vietnam by hiding out in the Guard, and then turning around and not only mis-using the National Guard as substitutes for full time military units, but extending their tours of duty BEYOND what was originally promised?
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Post by chipNdink on Nov 10, 2004 20:33:54 GMT -5
...The yagreed to "sacrifice further" if the government wanted them to. And thank God there are people like you and Bush who want to make sure these veterans will be forced to give that additional bit of sacrfice BEYOND what they've already contributed. How nice of you. Apparently you have no trouble sleeping at night knowing that these fine veterans are being forced to suffer more for "your greater good".
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Post by chipNdink on Nov 10, 2004 20:39:21 GMT -5
... I could as easily argue we're going into debt for needless social programs as you can argue its for the war, it all comes from the same money. I don't think we should go into debt for social programs either. Apparently you do. "...it all comes from the same money"?? And pray tell, WHAT money is that?? WHERE is that money coming from?? Bush has yet to answer that question. That's WHY we're going into debt.
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