no reply feature on the dan rather thread ?

[The Bofa on the Sofa]

I got that too, so let me continue here:

Here's what BiK wrote, modified slightly:

"The fact of the matter is [the Bush administration] was looking for a [reason, any reason to attack Iraq]. They [heard inspectors and others report that nothing was going on] and were looking to [create a justification] with phoney information. [The administration] didn't care to authenticate the [evidence] first, they jumped the gun and have now lost any remaining credibilty that it had."

The question I have is not about Dan Rather. It's why Dan Rather gets raked over the coals by the same people who give the administration a pass for doing the exact same thing that CBS did.

Your statement that they "...didn't care to authenticate the document first, they jumped the gun and have now lost any remaining credibilty that it had" is the epitome of irony, because it is EXACTLY what the Bush administration did. They didn't bother to critically examine the information they got from the intelligence agencies, and went ahead and used it anyway.

Now, if Bush and his buddies get a pass, then why not Rather?

I, OTOH, have been critical of the administration for this exact reason. They accepted everything that supported their case, no matter how fuzzy, and ignored those who said what they didn't want to hear. For example, did no one in the administration not question all the intelligence they were getting from that so-called "defector"? Especially since it was clear he had motives and they were having a hard time corraborating anything he said. Hey, that kind of sounds like Dan Rather...I am just being consistent when I say that both the administration and CBS news are a bunch of idiots, and neither are to be taken seriously.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Agent said:

I got that too, so let me continue here:

Here's what BiK wrote, modified slightly:

"The fact of the matter is [the Bush administration] was looking for a [reason, any reason to attack Iraq]. They [heard inspectors and others report that nothing was going on] and were looking to [create a justification] with phoney information. [The administration] didn't care to authenticate the [evidence] first, they jumped the gun and have now lost any remaining credibilty that it had."

The question I have is not about Dan Rather. It's why Dan Rather gets raked over the coals by the same people who give the administration a pass for doing the exact same thing that CBS did.

Your statement that they "...didn't care to authenticate the document first, they jumped the gun and have now lost any remaining credibilty that it had" is the epitome of irony, because it is EXACTLY what the Bush administration did. They didn't bother to critically examine the information they got from the intelligence agencies, and went ahead and used it anyway.

Now, if Bush and his buddies get a pass, then why not Rather?

I, OTOH, have been critical of the administration for this exact reason. They accepted everything that supported their case, no matter how fuzzy, and ignored those who said what they didn't want to hear. For example, did no one in the administration not question all the intelligence they were getting from that so-called "defector"? Especially since it was clear he had motives and they were having a hard time corraborating anything he said. Hey, that kind of sounds like Dan Rather...I am just being consistent when I say that both the administration and CBS news are a bunch of idiots, and neither are to be taken seriously.

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[The Bofa on the Sofa]

Your inability to formulate any meaningful response is noted.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Agent said:

Your inability to formulate any meaningful response is noted.

You mean that is not a meaningful response?

Let me put in in simple terms for you. Rather was using his position to play politics. That is completely unacceptable for a news anchor with a major network. He jumped the gun to try an influence the outcome of a Presidential election. His dislike of President Bush is so blantantly clear that it is disgusting.

President Bush's administration was clearly acting in the best interest of the Country by removing Saddam Hussein. I ask you, if Iraq did not have any involvement in WMD's, why was it being inspected off and on for 12 years? Why did the UN pass Resolution 1441 if it did not plan on enforcing it? (Sounds like Kerry's idiotic "I voted for it before I voting against it remarks"). Hussein was clearly successful at thumbing his nose at the UN. In today's world the American leadership has to be proactive rather than reactive and it needs to act in spite of the feeble debating society known as the UN (Utter Nonsense).

CBS news on the other hand, was just looking to help the democratic party regain the Whitehouse, Completely Unacceptable for a major news network that is supposed to be impartial.

[The Bofa on the Sofa]

Barefoot said:

You mean that is not a meaningful response?

Let me put in in simple terms for you. Rather was using his position to play politics. That is completely unacceptable for a news anchor with a major network. He jumped the gun to try an influence the outcome of a Presidential election.

But here's the problem: Even if I agreed with you, you haven't addressed the question.

Bush "jumped the gun" and the result was 1000 Americans killed in a war over nothing. How is that excusable while Rather's actions are not?

You can claim it was about motives, but those are mere assertions you are making. You assert that Rather did it to influence the Presidential election. However, why not say that he did it because he wanted the public to be _completely informed_ about the issues arising, and he was just duped by his source?

You assume that Rather had bad motivations whereas Bush's intentions were honorable (proactive defense of our country). OTOH, plenty have claimed that Bush's motivations were anything but that, that the attack against Iraq was planned by Cheney and his buddies long ago because they knew it would be lucrative for Haliburton, that Bush was bent on revenge against Saddam for the assassination attempt on GHWB, etc. Attempting to play the "motives" card assumes that you know their motives, and you don't. All we know is what they did. Both "jumped the gun," acting on evidence from unreliable sources. But Rather is being held to a higher standard. For him, it is unexcusable. But when the Pres does it, leading us to a war that is becoming increasingly messy, he gets a pass.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Agent said:

You can claim it was about motives, but those are mere assertions you are making. You assert that Rather did it to influence the Presidential election. However, why not say that he did it because he wanted the public to be _completely informed_ about the issues arising, and he was just duped by his source?

I won't say it because I know otherwise. Rather is not stupid. Check that, he may very well be. At least that is what it's looking like now. The fact that CBS news has had a liberal slant should be of no surprise. Anybody who has sat through even one of its newscasts would know that to be true. You can't be "duped" by a source that you have sought with alacrity.

[The Bofa on the Sofa]

Barefoot said:

I won't say it because I know otherwise. Rather is not stupid. Check that, he may very well be. At least that is what it's looking like now. The fact that CBS news has had a liberal slant should be of no surprise. Anybody who has sat through even one of its newscasts would know that to be true. You can't be "duped" by a source that you have sought with alacrity.

So your basis for claiming that Rather intentionally did this is that "everyone knows CBS is biased"?

Well I say that everyone knows Bush has been hell bent on invading Iraq.

Again, you keep trying make this to be about Dan Rather. OTOH, I keep asking how George Bush is any different. Claiming that Dan Rather is biased doesn't address that question.

[Gorf]

Barefoot said:

I won't say it because I know otherwise. Rather is not stupid. Check that, he may very well be. At least that is what it's looking like now. The fact that CBS news has had a liberal slant should be of no surprise. Anybody who has sat through even one of its newscasts would know that to be true. You can't be "duped" by a source that you have sought with alacrity.

GWB, Cheney, and the rest of the PNAC neocons have done everything they can to be "political" and "partisan" on all topics yet they whine about anyone that isn't "on their side" making comments or doing things that are "politically motivated" or "partisan".

They're two faced liars out for only themselves.

Rather is paid to be an entertainer. Pretty much none of the networks that supposedly report the news are anything other than entertainment networks that report for the most part only those things that they can sensationalize the most. Most of them have a political bias of some nature as well.

The president of the country is supposed to represent and defend all of the people in the country. Not just those that are rich, part of large corporations with huge sets of lobbyist pushing their agendas forward, or whomever can most effectively assist in achieving his own personal agendas.

Rather did something dumb, he admitted his mistake, he's trying to find further information.

GWB has never admitted to any of the numerous mistakes he's made in office.

He continues to either be surprised by things that happen during his term as president or to make himself sound like the Iraqi information minister who repeatedly stated things like "the Americans are nowhere near Baghdad" (when the US tanks could be heard rolling around behind him).

Neither of which is a good thing to see / hear from your country's leader.

The first makes him appear to be incompetent, lazy, and out of control. The latter makes him appear to be little more than an oblivious fool.

The combination of the two is even worse since it has him "staying the course" because his doesn't appear to know or care about what's really happening.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Agent said:

Again, you keep trying make this to be about Dan Rather. OTOH, I keep asking how George Bush is any different. Claiming that Dan Rather is biased doesn't address that question.

Look at the topic of the thread Einstein. This IS about Dan Rather. Trying to deflect the spotlight isn't going to work!

[rikitikitavei]

Barefoot said:

I can't stomach my posts any longer and will refrain from posting. Honestly, I'm tired of the unpleasant individual that I've become. I think Roger should have let the Guillotine fall on "BiK" a long time ago. It shames me to think that I likely prevented people from sharing their thoughts on Volleytalk by my behavior, and for that I am sorry. Reading the sad news about the Cincinnatti assistant Coach really made me think. Life is fleeting in so many ways. I regret that I spent so much time here arguing with everybody. There is so much more to life than politics and volleyball.


Cry me a river BIK! Next time you have a an awakening....save it!

[IdahoBoy]

rikitikitavei said:

Barefoot said:

I can't stomach my posts any longer and will refrain from posting. Honestly, I'm tired of the unpleasant individual that I've become. I think Roger should have let the Guillotine fall on "BiK" a long time ago. It shames me to think that I likely prevented people from sharing their thoughts on Volleytalk by my behavior, and for that I am sorry. Reading the sad news about the Cincinnatti assistant Coach really made me think. Life is fleeting in so many ways. I regret that I spent so much time here arguing with everybody. There is so much more to life than politics and volleyball.


Cry me a river BIK! Next time you have a an awakening....save it!

Dude... if you're going to quote an old subject a hundred times in a board, at least do it right.... don't erase the "[ /quote]" next time, ok?

Sheesh.

By the way. BiK rocks. So those who stand against him must not rock.

[Barefoot In Kailua]

Cry me a river BIK! Next time you have a an awakening....save it!

Next time you get your panties in a bunch, take them off and unravel it.