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Post by vbfan430 on Dec 3, 2004 7:13:23 GMT -5
www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dsindex/03-ds1.htmLewis University hit for sports violations NCAA puts school sports programs on probation for ethical breaches Friday, December 3, 2004 By John Hector Associate Editor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The NCAA on Thursday placed Lewis University on four years' probation for numerous infractions involving several sports teams, including its men's volleyball team, which won a national title in 2003 that the school already has forfeited. In a 31-page report, the NCAA called the conduct of former volleyball coach Dave Deuser "unethical" and said a "lack of attention ... from the president of the institution on down" produced an atmosphere at the Romeoville school that allowed sports teams to operate frequently without properly complying with NCAA rules. That inattention occurred "even at times when indications were given there were problems within the athletics department." The NCAA report was not unexpected. Lewis had conducted its own investigation of its athletic department in the past year and had imposed its own sanctions — including forfeiting the volleyball title — but the NCAA stiffened some of those sanctions. Lewis, for example, had self-imposed a two-year probation, but the NCAA, terming the violations "major" in nature, made it four years. Other penalties will curtail recruiting, scholarships and postseason play. "We felt they needed a little more time to make sure their ducks are in order," said Larry Blumberg of Washburn University in Topeka, Kan., the chairman of the NCAA Division II committee on infractions. In fact, the NCAA said it could have been justified handing down a five-year probation. The report focused on violations that occurred from the 1999-2000 school year to the 2003-04 school year, but said evidence suggested impropriety dating back to 1992. Between 1999 and 2004, Lewis allowed at least 14 student-athletes to practice, compete or receive financial aid although they were ineligible for reasons dealing with academics or transferring. The school also was cited for violations in the areas of recruiting, amateurism and travel rules. Recruiting violations included off-campus recruiting by nine coaches who had not taken the NCAA recruiting certification exam, coaches using personal funds for recruiting expenses, impermissible tryouts and coaches contacting recruits from other schools without written permission. The NCAA also found that the school's baseball, men's volleyball and men's soccer teams granted more athletic scholarships than allowed. The men's and women's track and field program provided cash for books, and one athlete received a loan from an assistant coach. The school also failed to fill out required eligibility forms for international students over a period of four years. Although no fewer than 10 sports are mentioned in the report, a good portion of the report deals with the men's volleyball program and the conduct of Deuser. Lewis, an NCAA Division II school with an enrollment of 4,400, was the toast of the collegiate athletic world in May 2003 when it won the NCAA volleyball title by beating Division I schools with larger enrollments. Under Deuser, who resigned under fire in May, the Flyers defeated Pepperdine University in the semifinals and Brigham Young University in the finals in 2003. Lewis also reached the Final Four in 1996 and 1998. But the report says Deuser and the school allowed two volleyball players to compete and receive financial aid although they were no longer considered amateurs. One player, Gustavo Meyer, of Mexico, played professionally in Switzerland. The other, J.R. Martins, of Brazil, played in France. Both were on the 2003 NCAA championship team. After being declared ineligible, Martins still was allowed to travel with the team to the 2004 NCAA tournament although Deuser was told by school officials the player could not go. Deuser, according to the NCAA, told school officials other players on the team paid for the Martins' expenses, but the NCAA report stated that claim was "not credible." "He provided false and misleading information to the director of athletics," the report said. "As a result, the institution permitted an ineligible student-athlete to travel ... at no cost." The NCAA said Deuser did not cooperate with its investigation despite its attempt to have him do so. Deuser has been barred from coaching at the collegiate level until 2009 unless he receives permission from the NCAA committee on infractions. Deuser on Thursday denied all of the allegations in the report. "I can't stress how erroneous this information is," he said. Lewis' volleyball team has been barred from postseason competition through the 2005-2006 season. The school had a self-imposed ban through the 2004-05 season, but the NCAA felt an extra year was warranted "due to the competitive nature gained by the team." The Lewis baseball team is barred from postseason play this season. The NCAA also extended by a year — through 2005-06 — the school's prohibition on paid recruiting visits for volleyball, as well as baseball and women's track and field. Lewis already has imposed a moratorium on international recruiting in men's volleyball and track and field at least through summer 2005. Along with forfeiting its 2003 national title, the school had already forfeited Midwest Intercollegiate Volleyball Association conference championships from 2001 through 2003. Lewis is the second team in just over a year to give up a national volleyball title. The NCAA stripped Hawaii of the 2002 title because it had an ineligible player on its roster. The Lewis women's indoor track team forfeited Great Lakes Valley Conference titles from 2001 through 2003 and outdoor titles from 2001 and 2002. Lewis also had instituted measures — including several administrative changes — to improve its compliance of NCAA regulations. The school had reduced the number of scholarships in baseball, volleyball and soccer.Lewis' athletic department first came under NCAA scrutiny in 2001 when questions were raised about the track program. The investigation was later expanded to include volleyball and eventually other sports. Wayne Draudt, the executive vice president at Lewis, said a "lack of comprehensive review" over the years led to the problems cited by the NCAA. "Were we in violation? Yes," said Draudt, who has assumed oversight of the athletic department. "We can't criticize the NCAA. They were doing their job." Draudt admits Lewis was lacking in its oversight of the compliance of NCAA rules. He said Division II schools don't have the same resources to monitor compliance as Division I schools "that have six or eight people working on compliance full-time." But he said Lewis has taken steps to improve in that area. "It requires the complete cooperation of everyone at the university," he said. "It goes beyond the coaches." Indeed, in its report, the NCAA said the Lewis case "should serve as a cautionary tale to Division II institutions. It is imperative that sufficient resources be devoted to compliance so as to avoid the systemic and widespread violations which befell Lewis University." Lewis president Brother James Gaffney could not be reached for comment, but in a statement said: "Lewis University has taken significant steps to strengthen its compliance program and to provide the appropriate level of institutional control."
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Post by vbfan430 on Dec 3, 2004 7:14:11 GMT -5
And for Dave's response: www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dsindex/03-ds3.htmVolleyball coach rips NCAA's allegations Friday, December 3, 2004 By Phil Arvia Sports columnist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Within minutes of tearing open the FedEx delivery from the NCAA, Dave Deuser was livid. "It is a compilation of the most erroneous, misguided, uninformed accusations and bull (feathers) that I've ever seen," Deuser said. "It" would be the NCAA's report detailing the findings in its investigation into the Lewis University men's volleyball program Deuser ran until his resignation on May 17 of this year. At the time, Deuser cited his frustration with the NCAA, and the report made public Thursday only fueled those feelings. Though Lewis announced in October it was forfeiting the national championship the Romeoville university won under Deuser in 2003, the NCAA extended Lewis' self-imposed bans on postseason play and recruiting visits. The governing body also banned Deuser from coaching at member institutions for a period of five years dating from his resignation. But, according to Deuser — who since his resignation has taken a job as an administrative assistant in a land-development business owned by the father of one of his former players — he's not upset about the ban. "I had no intention of going back to coaching in the next five years anyway," he said. "That's fine. I'm not fighting it. They're going to do what they're going to do, and I knew they would probably suspend me from coaching. But once this is all said and done, the biggest disturbing thing is how wrong the information is and how the athletic director at Lewis is blatantly lying." At least that's the way it appeared to Deuser when reading the biggest charge leveled against him. The NCAA report states that he acted unethically by "providing false and misleading statements" to Lewis' athletic director so that J.R. Martins, a player on the 2003 championship team, could travel at NCAA expense to the 2004 Final Four in Hawaii. "That's an outright lie," Deuser said. Yet, even the truth as Deuser sees it is convoluted at best. According to Deuser, Martins was to travel to the Final Four as an assistant coach, a capacity in which he'd served all season. After an opposing coach alerted the NCAA that Martins had traveled to the conference tournament, the NCAA called Lewis, and Deuser decided to replace Martins on the Final Four travel list he'd already submitted with a team manager. Several Lewis players then volunteered to help Martins pay for a plane ticket. The travel agent allegedly told Deuser it would be simpler to purchase the ticket for the manager and leave Martins on the team itinerary, so Deuser did that with a credit card belonging to a female friend of Martins who was also traveling to the event and would be reimbursed by Martins. "He paid his own way with his own money and money his teammates, of their own accord, collected and gave him," Deuser said. "He gave that money to a friend who had a credit card... to put his ticket on the credit card. The reason we did that was to add another player, Sean Phillips, as a manager to accompany the team, because I didn't want these headaches of taking J.R. if somebody was (talking about) whether or not he was eligible to go as an assistant coach and travel." It gets no less murky when considering the NCAA's charges that Deuser should have taken further steps in determining whether Gustavo Meyer had played professionally in Switzerland before coming to Lewis. Ultimately, Meyer admitted to playing three games for a team in Nafels and was suspended at the start of the 2003 season, then barred permanently when evidence unearthed after the championship appeared to show he'd played in more games. "The reality is, and you can choose to believe this or not, that when I was recruiting Gustavo back in 2000, I had no computer and no Internet access in my office at Lewis (to check on foreign players)," Deuser said. "On the salary Lewis was paying me, I couldn't even afford my own computer. What I had at home was a Web-TV unit in my bedroom. "We win the national championship and all hell breaks loose because little Lewis University isn't supposed to win the national championship. A handful of people who hate Dave Deuser, who hate our success, come out of the woodwork to try to take us down and to try to take me down and the program down. More accusations arise that he lied about how many games he played. "Lewis investigated that, found Gustavo's name on an archived Web site. Now, they're saying I should have known because they were able to go in a Google search in 2004. In 2001, I didn't even know what the heck a Google search was. I didn't even have a computer." What Deuser did have were papers he secured when questions about Meyer first surfaced stating Meyer played in only a three-game tournament in Switzerland. "The letter was signed by the president of the Swiss volleyball federation — the president of the federation signed off on the fact that he didn't play," Deuser said. "What more am I supposed to do? I've got the president of the Swiss federation, the manager of the team, a member of the team and the player all telling me the same thing. What am I supposed to do past that?" Deuser also disputed a section of the report asserting he illegally contacted prospective recruits at Junior Olympics events in Omaha, Neb., in 2000 and in Sacramento, Cal., in 2001. Deuser said the events were actually held in Phoenix and New Orleans, respectively — and that his contacts with the players in both cases were permissible in nature and instigated by the players. Those same two players were also alleged to have been contacted illegally by Deuser when they were attending other universities in Puerto Rico. Deuser said in one case the player wasn't on the team at the university he was attending, so permission wasn't required to contact him, and in the other he had written permission from the school's athletic director to communicate with the player. "I gave them the signed release from the Athletic Director at the University of Puerto Rico Rio Piedras," Deuser said. "Why they're claiming I never received written permission to speak with him, I have no idea." Deuser said he feels no responsibility for any of the problems Lewis is currently dealing with because, "they had nothing in place for supporting their coaches or compliance." He does, however, feel badly for the players currently at Lewis. "The players that are still there and what they're getting as far as a suspension from postseason play, that's the only thing that really hurts me," Deuser said. "They're hard working, good kids who are getting screwed." And what of the players on the 2003 team who saw their title taken away? "They can have the piece of wood back," Deuser said. "The championship was about the experience, it's about the memories, and it's about the accomplishment. Nobody can take that from us."
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Post by vbfan430 on Dec 3, 2004 7:16:05 GMT -5
Kevin Miller's Take: www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/031sd2.htmFormer Lewis volleyball player 'ashamed' over lost championship Friday, December 3, 2004 By Phil Arvia Sports columnist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Miller had just gone to the bench, rotating off the court after serving just like he always did. But that didn't diminish the feeling of what happened next on a Hawaiian evening in 2003. Brigham Young's volleyball team sent a ball wide, giving little Lewis University the championship point in the NCAA Finals, and sending Miller into a state of euphoria. "In one sense, it was better than being on the court," Miller said Thursday. "I could see the crowd's reaction. It was an unbelievable feeling." And so, in another way, was the feeling that came over Miller when the NCAA released the findings of its investigation into the men's volleyball program at Lewis, which last October forfeited the title won by Miller and his teammates. "I'm ashamed," Miller said. Why? Miller, after all, wasn't one of the two players — Gustavo Meyer and J.R. Martins — found to have been playing professionally in Europe, the main reason Lewis had to give back the first NCAA Division I title won by a Division II school. "Because I'm still in the Chicagoland area and I get a lot of flak from the local kids that used to play at Ball State and Loyola who are friends of mine," he said. "I always get digs about how we cheated and we didn't deserve to win it and this and that. After a while, you get tired of hearing that. "I've made my home here, in Naperville. I recently married. A lot of my friends live in the Chicagoland area, and I have to hear it." Things were so different after Lewis stormed to its fairytale title with Miller, a record-setting middle blocker from Racine, Wis., playing a key role. "We got so much praise from the media, the news stations, from the Chicago Cubs when we got honored on the field," Miller said. "They made such a big deal about how we were the only Division II school ever to do this ... David slays Goliath. To have it be proved that all this stuff was true and it's no longer allegations, it (stinks)." Worse is the nagging feeling that somebody might have been able to head things off before it all came to this — Lewis bounced from postseason play through 2006, former head coach Dave Deuser banned from coaching in the NCAA for five years, limits on scholarship and recruiting. "Realistically, it'll take years and years and years for the team to rebound," Miller said. "Whether or not Dave is at fault, with the NCAA coming down, there's no way possible it should have gotten to that. That means there were people within Lewis who weren't doing their job — whether it was the compliance director, whether it was the athletic director. Whoever it may be, they weren't doing their job. "The NCAA came in and investigated everybody, sat everybody down, questioned everybody. They were there for a couple weeks. That should have been taken care of, and it wasn't." The NCAA first questioned Lewis volleyball players in 2002, Miller said, then returned in 2003. "Someone didn't do their job thoroughly," he said. "You can't just put the blame on Dave. There's people there to make sure everyone is doing their job. That's why there's a position called compliance director." It was a part-time job at Lewis then. It's full-time now — too late for Miller, who after playing professionally for a brief spell in Spain, came home to tend to a family emergency, and tried to keep his hand in the game by volunteering to help at Lewis. He was turned away. "They didn't want me associating with the program because I was a player from the 2003 team — and I think that's crap," he said. Some things, though, are not. Miller is a 25-year-old with a new wife, a new job in graphic design — the field for which Lewis prepared him — and he still plays against the best players in the country in open tournaments. And in time, he might not feel the way he felt Thursday. "Everybody has to move on with their life," Miller said. "I guess that's where I'm at."
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Post by vbfan430 on Dec 3, 2004 7:17:14 GMT -5
Other Coaches Respond www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/031sd3.htmDeuser's credibility questioned by coaches Friday, December 3, 2004 By Phil Arvia Sports columnist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again Thursday, the day the NCAA blew up the Lewis University men's volleyball program he built from scratch, Dave Deuser denied knowledge of most virtually every charge leveled by college athletics' governing body. His former colleagues in the Midwest Intercollegiate Volleyball Association were not surprised. "Dave swore that to us on every occasion that he had an opportunity to tell us," former Loyola coach Gordon Mayforth said. "That's his word. That's what he says." But do you take him at his word? Ohio State coach Pete Hanson was succinct: "Um, no." The phrase "not credible" pops up continually in the passages devoted to Deuser in the NCAA's 31-page report, and that does not contradict the thinking of some he has competed against. "Yeah," Hanson, in his 21st year at Ohio State, said, "my personal opinion is the information that was borne out in the investigation reiterates that. "I feel bad for him in that there probably weren't appropriate safeguards within the administration to maybe avoid some of those circumstances. ... I think it was pretty clear that it was a systemic problem within that department. Now, does that relieve a particular coach of all responsibility and all blame if those types of circumstances happen? I'm not sure it does." MIVA Conference commissioner Bill Cooperrider shared that opinion — with Deuser. "There were people that approached Dave on different occasions, as professionals, just asking questions," Cooperrider said. "Dave always replied, 'Well, I'm just one man. What am I supposed to know about it?' "I do know this, and it was addressed at the last (conference) meeting David attended: Any coach at the Division I level has to know all these things. I was a Division I head coach, and I know that is the responsibility of the head coach. Passing responsibility or blame, that doesn't work. It didn't work with our conference and it really hasn't worked with Lewis right now and it didn't work with the NCAA. That's his responsibility. No coach that I know of would risk his job on a questionable situation. "Again, that's my opinion. I'm giving you my opinion. But I know that if I had a question — and most coaches that I've talked to at the Division I level, if they had a question, particularly on an international athlete — it'd be a no go." Of course, Deuser was not a Division I coach. Lewis is a Division II school, though it competed against the larger schools because there are so few men's volleyball programs nationwide. "Right, they're Division II," Cooperrider said. "But we're an open championship, and those are scholarship athletes. "I'm going to tell you something. A head coach — and I've said Division I, (but) Division II, Division III, high school — is responsible for their student-athletes. If you're recruiting a student-athlete, I don't know of anybody in the business that would put their professional reputation and their job on the line, if there were as many questions as there was on those guys." Deuser is quick to point out that many of the questions were raised by people from other programs. In a lengthy conversation Thursday, he said "the Ohio State coaches hate my guts because we beat them all the time," and he referred to "a (former) Loyola coach who hates my guts." "I'm sorry he feels that way," Mayforth said. "He firmly believes he did everything by the book, and I can't call him a liar, because how do you prove that? I'm definitely not saying he's lying. I have to take him at his word that he did everything he could. "I don't think anybody hated him. Nobody, to my knowledge, in the league hated Dave Deuser." Yet, many in the league did bring to light issues regarding the eligibility of players Gustavo Meyer and J.R. Martins. "Dave can say it was nit-picky, Dave can say people had a vendetta against him," Hanson said. "But the bottom line is there was only one program that was causing a lot of the issues within our conference, and that was Lewis. "I've lost a lot. I don't like losing. But if a team beats me and they legitimately beat me because they've got better guys, more power to them. ... But if it's proven that those guys shouldn't be there, then by golly, I'm going to fight for my kids." Cooperrider insisted the only thing the MIVA wanted was for the fight to be fair. "When you've got rules, you go by rules," he said. "You just don't say the rules are wrong and go on. People get fired for that. "I can't make an opinion about something when it's not an opinion, it's a rule. Dave was making like there was some kind of multiple-choice thing here."
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Post by rikitikitavei on Dec 3, 2004 9:08:40 GMT -5
Wake up Dave.....its over Dave......stick a fork in them Dave!
I never liked that program.....ask any MIVA coach.
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Post by midwestfan on Dec 3, 2004 9:59:28 GMT -5
I never liked that program.....ask any MIVA coach. It doesn't matter wheather you liked them or not, this is a terrible blow to men's volleyball. I hope the program can recover and be a strong competitor in the league.
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Post by rikitikitavei on Dec 3, 2004 11:03:27 GMT -5
Actually it is NOT a terrible blow. That program was dirty and has made others suffer the consequences. The MIVA will survive and I believe grow.
Teams like Mercyhurst, Findlay, Quincy and even this Carthage(soon) are all progressing. These are all good schools and are on their way up, are doing things the right way.
This year has scores of good junior players in the Mid-West looking to play. Maybe they will turn their heads towards the schools mentioned, get a good education, play some good volleyball, and develop a tradition.
Look Midwestfan.....you and I probably agree on heck of lot more things than we disagree about this sport, but in this case the demise of Lewis for a couple years is GOOD and Justified. Every MIVA coach.....let alone DI coach that I have ever talked with knew that program was dirty. Lewis popped onto the radar in the early 90's riding the wave of their 4 Canadians......and they can just as easily dissappear for a couple years too without much damage to the league.
Absolutely I feel for the kids left behind but hey, they have more important things to worry about than the post season.
When you cheat....you will get caught. Look at the whole sports world.
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Post by donkeykong on Dec 3, 2004 11:46:40 GMT -5
It doesn't matter wheather you liked them or not, this is a terrible blow to men's volleyball. I hope the program can recover and be a strong competitor in the league. This is not a blow...they cheated and got caught. Who didn't know Gustavo had played in Switzerland? This was well known by a ton of people and players. What was Deuser thinking?
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Dec 3, 2004 12:41:22 GMT -5
Quincy isn't progressing. They haven't done diddly squat since the Steinkeuler era.
As for the Kevin Miller story, that writer needs to do better research. The 2003 championship was at the Pyramid, not in some "hawaiian night". What a friggin dork.
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Post by midwestfan on Dec 3, 2004 12:45:52 GMT -5
Couple of more observations about this information:
1. I think it is wrong and a bad idea in general not to let Kevin Miller help out. What an asset he would be to their program at this time. Lewis U. continues to make bad decisions in my opinion.
2. No real revalation here, but someone is lying through their teeth. The University, Dave? I don't think it's the NCAA. And I don't believe for a second that this was any kind of a witch hunt, either from the NCAA or from the other coaches in the MIVA.
3. Now it is easy to see why Lewis self-impossed their santions ... they were hoping for leniency from the NCAA, which they obviously did not get.
4. I don't feel sorry for Lewis or Dave but I do feel bad for Soler and the current players, as well as Dan Friend. The University definitely got what was coming to them.
5. You are right Riki, I am positive that we agree more than we disagree but I still feel that this is a blow to game. Not because they are being punished harshly (they should be), but for several other reasons.
6. I know that volleyball will survive, that's not the issue. But it is another black eye. Two championships voided in three years is not a good thing. And it would appear that BYU could just as easily been the third.
7. The MIVA needs all the strong teams that they can find. It would be awesome if Quincy, and the other schools would catch up and provide the kind of strong competition needed for us to compete with the "big" boys from CA. I think it will take Lewis a lot longer than two years to catch back up with a formidable team and that is if they survive this at all. The school could just as easily say the heck with it and cancel the program.
8. The MIVA will never be able to send a team to compete well in the final four until they have enough teams where they can get the intense level of competition that the MPSF has on a day to day, week to week basis. IMO!
9. Finally, this is a whole other area for discussion. But if the scores of good junior players in the Mid-west are like other good junior players from WI, IL, etc., they will pick UCLA, Pepperdine, Stanford, etc. over the Loyola, IPFW, BS, OS and the other MIVA schools. I think it has been well proven that it is hard to keep our better players here.
Without a doubt Lewis got what was coming to them, hopefully they have learned the lesson.
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Post by midwestfan on Dec 3, 2004 12:49:00 GMT -5
As for the Kevin Miller story, that writer needs to do better research. The 2003 championship was at the Pyramid, not in some "hawaiian night". What a friggin dork. Yeah, that was such a blatant error that I just ignored it. How hard is it for these guys to get their facts straight?!
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Post by vballfan4 on Dec 3, 2004 15:20:21 GMT -5
Lets get one thing straight. Everybody hates Lewis and Dave for cheating. In one of the articles somebody said that nobody hates 'em, well I'm 99.9% positive that everybody does. But then there is always that .01%. I can bet you that every team that beats Lewis will rub it in their face even though they are not nearly the same team. But I bet it will still feel good to kick their butts now that they are playing by the rules. And I know that current Lewis players are not guilty, but they still and always will have that black cloud over their heads. I heard a story that Enrique wanted to transfer to one other MIVA school and that coach bluntly told him that they dont need him and in a nice way told him to F off. Anybody else heard this? But, yeah thats what I think.
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Dec 3, 2004 15:29:28 GMT -5
Lets get one thing straight. Everybody hates Lewis and Dave for cheating. In one of the articles somebody said that nobody hates 'em, well I'm 99.9% positive that everybody does. But then there is always that .01%. I can bet you that every team that beats Lewis will rub it in their face even though they are not nearly the same team. But I bet it will still feel good to kick their butts now that they are playing by the rules. And I know that current Lewis players are not guilty, but they still and always will have that black cloud over their heads. I heard a story that Enrique wanted to transfer to one other MIVA school and that coach bluntly told him that they dont need him and in a nice way told him to F off. Anybody else heard this? But, yeah thats what I think. Ok. Thanks for your input. But please stop surfing to this site from your h.s. keyboarding class. Your teacher might catch you and then you'll get detention, and we'd hate to see that happen. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of everybody in this country doesn't hate Lewis. In fact, I'd guesstimate that a full 99.9% of the country (probably more) doesn't even KNOW what happened to the Lewis men's vball program and the 2003 title that was stripped. Matter of fact, I'd even be as bold to say that 99.9% of the country doesn't even FOLLOW men's college volleyball. Number could be closer to 99.95%, maybe even 99.98%.
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Post by donkeykong on Dec 3, 2004 15:56:54 GMT -5
Couple of more observations about this information: 6... And it would appear that BYU could just as easily been the third. Let me guess, you and Soler hung out one night and watched the Moreno tape on your couch.
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Post by midwestfan on Dec 3, 2004 16:17:15 GMT -5
Noooooo! Smarta** I was referring to BYU's inattention to Moreno's eligibility that they only "noticed just days prior to his first exhibition game this fall." Seems to me that you should know whether a player has three or four years of eligibility.
And by the way, I don't know Jeff Soler, nor have I ever met him. My significant other would think it really wierd for me to be watching video's with him ;D !
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