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Post by BeachBoy on Jan 25, 2005 10:46:17 GMT -5
Should the MPSF split into two conferences in order to give each big conference an automatic bid to the final four and get rid of the at large bid? What are your thoughts out there
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Post by tigfan on Jan 25, 2005 12:27:34 GMT -5
Should the MPSF split into two conferences in order to give each big conference an automatic bid to the final four and get rid of the at large bid? What are your thoughts out there How would they split it... Geographically? |
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Post by roy on Jan 25, 2005 13:42:05 GMT -5
I agree with tigfan. Not a great deal of sense to that. The MPSF almost always gets the at large bid, so it really doesn't do much. And it might hurt other schools that are on the same conference. Let's say Long Beach, UCLA, BYU, Hawaii, and Pepperdine are all grouped in the same conference and all are numbers 1-5 in the ranking. Only one of them gets to the Final Four and the other MPSF conference will have someone not as deserving in the Final Four.
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Post by vb on Jan 25, 2005 13:52:12 GMT -5
Not until the MPSF starts traveling eastward and plays MIVA and EIVA teams. Everybody knows how important home court is. The myth of MPSF teams being better would end.
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Post by vballguy2001 on Jan 25, 2005 14:28:31 GMT -5
Ohhhh Please. MPSF teams are way better then the teams back east. Especially the top MPSF teams. (not talking about the lower ones.) If the eastern teams were better (MIVA, EIVA) then they would have more then 1 national title (Can't count Lewis.) under their belts.
MPSF teams are superior, and that is just the way it is. It doesn't matter where they play, at home or away.
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Post by beachdude on Jan 25, 2005 17:38:52 GMT -5
Think the MPSF was split at one time. Think it was the Pacific and Atlantic(?) When Loyola and SDSU dropped their programs, they merged both sides and formed one division. Home and away for everybody.
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Post by rookie11 on Jan 25, 2005 18:30:28 GMT -5
vballguy2001-
Wont this make MIVA programs stronger by allowing them to compete against the MPSF on a more regular basis? I think this is a great idea!
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Post by roy on Jan 25, 2005 18:31:15 GMT -5
Think the MPSF was split at one time. Think it was the Pacific and Atlantic(?) When Loyola and SDSU dropped their programs, they merged both sides and formed one division. Home and away for everybody. They were one conference with 2 divisions. They had a mountain division and a pacific division. Teams played those in their division twice (home and away) and only one time for those in the opposing division. After LMU and SDSU disbanded, they switched the division line up (playing twice against those in the opposing division and one in the aligned division) for one year. Then they gave up on it and went to a home and away for every team. |
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Post by midwestfan on Jan 25, 2005 19:31:18 GMT -5
vballguy2001- Wont this make MIVA programs stronger by allowing them to compete against the MPSF on a more regular basis? I think this is a great idea! Agreed! I know it's a matter of funding to a large extent, but wouldn't that be great. I think it's a win - win situation for everyone involved. |
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Post by vballguy2001 on Jan 26, 2005 13:47:45 GMT -5
It would be a win win if the MPSF schools were getting something out of it. For example lets take the Cali schools.
If you are UCLA and 5 of the top 10 schools are right there in California then you don't have to go anywhere else to compete then in your back yard. Money reasons alone doesn't make sense either. You will get better competition if you stay in state, and you don't have to take a plane to get there.
Also if you are in the MPSF you have to go to Hawaii every other year which limits what you can do traveling wise.
I don't know if it is really a win win for the MPSF schools. I don't think it is a win if you play weaker competition, and pay money to do so. That is probably their biggest hang up.
The only thing that it does help is the competition for Eastern teams........that way the top level teams like Penn State don't have to play lower level teams like...........Quincy or someone like that, and they get to do it at home...which is a benefit for them.
In short. I don't think the MPSF teams don't want to go back east. It just doesn't make sense for them to do so. Money wise it just makes sense to stay in conference and play 10-12 of the top 15 teams in the nation every weekend, and not get on a plane to do so.
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Post by midwestfan on Jan 27, 2005 0:09:25 GMT -5
It would be a win win if the MPSF schools were getting something out of it. For example lets take the Cali schools. IHD w/ u! It shouldn't be a matter of getting something out of it but a matter of whats good in the long run for the men's college game. IMO it seems like we should be asking ourselves, "What can I do to help improve the popularity of men's volleyball?" It can't be an East vs West thing! More cometitive teams are good for everyone. It would seem that more parody (UCLA is beating up on everyone, at least the last four years, the way that they used to) in the MPSF has increased interest in the sport in California. Don't know anything about this, but you would think that that rule could/would be relaxed to some extent. We need to be looking at the big picture when it comes to men's volleyball ... At least until Title IX is ammended. |
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Post by roy on Jan 27, 2005 4:31:35 GMT -5
IHD w/ u! It shouldn't be a matter of getting something out of it but a matter of whats good in the long run for the men's college game. IMO it seems like we should be asking ourselves, "What can I do to help improve the popularity of men's volleyball?" It can't be an East vs West thing! More cometitive teams are good for everyone. It would seem that more parody (UCLA is beating up on everyone, at least the last four years, the way that they used to) in the MPSF has increased interest in the sport in California. Don't know anything about this, but you would think that that rule could/would be relaxed to some extent. We need to be looking at the big picture when it comes to men's volleyball ... At least until Title IX is ammended. On some level I do agree. Getting the west schools out to the east could do good but it can also do bad. Even when the Final Four is held at a non MPSF school, the MPSF teams are still winning. It does expose more players to the sport but it can also create a disparity between the west and east coast schools. I think the east coast schools coming to the west is more beneficial as the east coast schools can also recruit. Regarding the Hawaii travel, each year the MPSF teams travel to Hawaii or BYU. If a team goes to Hawaii, they will host BYU and vice versa. So, there are travel costs associated with being in the MPSF. Parts of those costs do make it harder to travel to the east coast as budgets are not huge. But I don't know how much it costs for the MIVA and EIVA to travel back and forth from their schools. I assume most take a bus or something to each venue, but I could be wrong. |
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Post by midwestfan on Jan 27, 2005 6:02:24 GMT -5
I won't pretend to know what the answer is, but it seems to me that something needs to be done (as evidenced by the lack of television coverage, even on an all college sports cable channel) to increase interest and awareness.
I totally understand the cost limitations but to blatantly say they shouldn't do it because it's not in their best interest or doesn't profit them in some way isn't the way we should be thinking!
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Post by vballguy2001 on Jan 27, 2005 13:44:55 GMT -5
Look I am not trying to bag on Eastern schools. I am just stating it the way it is. I think coaches/programs have limitations and I am just stating them. I just don't see what the western schools get out of it besides the fact of trying to rise competition through out the country. How is that going to benefit them? It will definitely benefit the game, but I think most people look out for themselves before they look out for anything else.
I just don't see the logic behind it....sorry I don't. I will have to agree witht the last post. I would think that it would make sense for the Eastern schools to come to the coast. If they have a good team and program it might entice some of the premier High School kids to go east to play, and therefore help their recruiting. This could help competition through out the nation also.
Don't take it personal.
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Post by VBbeast on Jan 27, 2005 13:49:02 GMT -5
2 Things
First regarding the topic of splitting the MPSF into 2 conferences with automatic berths. It is one possible concept, but I know there are some requirements that must be met in order for a conference to be granted an automic berth. I believe one of the criteria is having 6 D1 programs. Another thing is they would need to be different conferences not different divisions of the same conference before they would be considered for an automatic berth.
As to the MPSF teams traveling east more well there are 2 ways of looking at it. In the short term view it is not beneficial for the MPFW to go east to play. They put themselves at a disadvantage (check west v the rest records when played in the west and compare with record when they play east) A short term view is one where I would like all my opponents to be at a disadvantage, or as bad as possible so I can win as much as possible. The long term view recognizes that it is better for the sport if there is parity. The better your opponent becomes the better you have to be to compete. The long term view also recognizes that what is good for the sport long term is not necessarily good for each individual sport in the short term.
Would it be better for the sport of men's volleyball if there were more west coast teams traveling east? Absolutely without question. In the short term would it be good for west coast teams? Probably not.
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