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Post by nitneliun on Nov 30, 2009 9:00:08 GMT -5
The real problem with the NCAA WVB tournament is the number of automatic qualifiers. Yes, Michigan State could beat the majority of them, but does that mean Michigan State should be in the tournament? No. It's a freaking travesty that many reasonably good teams will stay home while champions from the Patriot League, Ivy League and other very weak leagues will serve as nothing more than practice sessions for the likes of Penn State, Texas and Stanford. Hell, those three teams probably find their practices more challenging than their first and second round matches.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 9:00:33 GMT -5
Huh?
They aren't making selections based on hitting %.
(And I hate to look at MSU's opponents' hitting %.)
I have to agree: 5-15 in your conference should be a DQ.
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 30, 2009 9:01:20 GMT -5
Michigan State had the fortunate schedule that allowed them to beat the bubble. They beat Albany, Furman and Clemson head to head. They beat Albany and Furman in 3, and they won AT Clemson.
How could the committee NOT let them in? They are being sacrificed to Kentucky. It will be over soon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 9:02:41 GMT -5
I'm going to repeat what I said last week: If I were a PSU fan (i.e., someone who could actually go watch their matches), I'd be disgusted that all I ever get to see from this Ferrari is parallel parking.
What a waste. And after this weekend, that's it for Glass, Hodge, etc.
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Post by Wiswell on Nov 30, 2009 9:03:54 GMT -5
Michigan State's record in the Big Ten, and that team's BT record:
Split with Purdue (6-14) (overall losing record)
Split with UW (6-14) (overall losing record)
Split with IL (16-4)
Swept by IN (6-14) (losing record), PSU (20-0), MN (13-7), OSU (12-8)
Split with NU (7-13) (.500 record)
Split with IA (5-15) (losing record)
They weren't exactly beat by the finest teams in the Big Ten the majority of the time. Now let's look at the OOC wins - one good one - USC.
Other wins - Albany, UNC, Cleveland St, Duquesne, Georgia State, UIC, Furman, Clemson, Presbyterian.
Did any of those teams make the tournament? I love the Big Ten but there is no reason to guarantee 6 teams in just because there always have been. The Big Ten stunk this year - it wasn't parity. After OSU/MI at 12-8, the next best record is 7-13!
Of course, with all our bashing they will find their form and upset Kentucky (grr) whom I would be rooting for anyway as they have a incoming setter from Madison.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 30, 2009 9:04:21 GMT -5
Perseveration! Don't be using words that we have to look up on dictionary.com.
I think there's a rule in the VT guidelines about that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 9:07:53 GMT -5
Here's why MSU should not be in the tournament (and I know it's not a criteria): They have proven they cannot win it. You can't go 5-15 in your conference and still have a credible chance.
Yes, other teams *probably* can't win it either, but at least we could give them the benefit of the doubt.
Here's why they should be in: I have no idea who those "other teams" would be. I am not in favor of rewarding conferences who have conference tournaments by ignoring the results of said conference tournaments.
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Post by nitneliun on Nov 30, 2009 9:11:38 GMT -5
I'm going to repeat what I said last week: If I were a PSU fan (i.e., someone who could actually go watch their matches), I'd be disgusted that all I ever get to see from this Ferrari is parallel parking. What a waste. And after this weekend, that's it for Glass, Hodge, etc. If you want to see the Ferrari sail down the highway, buy a ticket to Tampa. They'll get a chance to open the throttle in the Final Four. |
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Post by hardbop on Nov 30, 2009 10:08:17 GMT -5
I'm going to repeat what I said last week: If I were a PSU fan (i.e., someone who could actually go watch their matches), I'd be disgusted that all I ever get to see from this Ferrari is parallel parking. What a waste. And after this weekend, that's it for Glass, Hodge, etc. As someone who's been to almost every home match over the past decade, I must say that your comment has merit. I wouldn't use the word "disgusted" though. RR clearly wants the team to play tough competition at home. For various reasons this has not come to pass. Maybe you can pass the hat so that we can air condition Rec Hall so that Nebraska will honor their commitment to play here. It sure was fun when Texas played two matches at Rec Hall two years back. I would love to see a PAC 10 team or two in person during the pre conference schedule. The PSU, Stanford, Florida, Texas "tournament" won't hit Rec Hall for 4 years. The Big Ten should be very competitive in the next few years so we all have that to look forward to. As fans we mostly take RR's attitude that the team is playing against the template of what level they could/should be playing at not necessarily just good enough to beat the team across the net. That has had to do for now. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 30, 2009 10:17:02 GMT -5
I'm going to repeat what I said last week: If I were a PSU fan (i.e., someone who could actually go watch their matches), I'd be disgusted that all I ever get to see from this Ferrari is parallel parking. What a waste. And after this weekend, that's it for Glass, Hodge, etc. As someone who's been to almost every home match over the past decade, I must say that your comment has merit. I wouldn't use the word "disgusted" though. RR clearly wants the team to play tough competition at home. For various reasons this has not come to pass. Maybe you can pass the hat so that we can air condition Rec Hall so that Nebraska will honor their commitment to play here. It sure was fun when Texas played two matches at Rec Hall two years back. I would love to see a PAC 10 team or two in person during the pre conference schedule. The PSU, Stanford, Florida, Texas "tournament" won't hit Rec Hall for 4 years. The Big Ten should be very competitive in the next few years so we all have that to look forward to. As fans we mostly take RR's attitude that the team is playing against the template of what level they could/should be playing at not necessarily just good enough to beat the team across the net. That has had to do for now. I would love to see a home-and-home series between PSU and UW. I don't know if either team would be interested in that, however. I will point out that if PSU wants top teams to come to their house, they have to be willing to travel back in return. |
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Post by nitneliun on Nov 30, 2009 10:30:44 GMT -5
Do you have any evidence that Penn State has refused a return trip?
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 30, 2009 10:49:37 GMT -5
Do you have any evidence that Penn State has refused a return trip? No, how could I? But all I hear from PSU fans is about how good teams won't travel to Rec Hall. I'm just pointing out that good teams will probably expect a home-and-home, that's all. Good teams don't exactly seem to be lining up to come to Hec Ed in the preseason either. |
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Post by MTC on Nov 30, 2009 10:57:21 GMT -5
The phone works both ways so I will call this a stalemate for now. Maybe you could get this started?
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 30, 2009 11:04:00 GMT -5
The phone works both ways so I will call this a stalemate for now. Maybe you could get this started? Me? I don't even sit in the reserved seats. I'm up in the general admission section. But tell you what, you give me Russ's home phone number and I'll call him with my great idea. |
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Post by OverAndUnder on Nov 30, 2009 11:09:13 GMT -5
The real problem with the NCAA WVB tournament is the number of automatic qualifiers. Yes, Michigan State could beat the majority of them, but does that mean Michigan State should be in the tournament? No. It's a freaking travesty that many reasonably good teams will stay home while champions from the Patriot League, Ivy League and other very weak leagues will serve as nothing more than practice sessions for the likes of Penn State, Texas and Stanford. Hell, those three teams probably find their practices more challenging than their first and second round matches. It's a freaking travesty that all eight of the participants in Texas's side of their region would defeat almost any of the AQ champions you mention, and many of the others in the PSU and FSU regions. |
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