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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 19:06:26 GMT -5
Michigan State. Teams I feel for are Albany and NDSU. Is it really necessary to take a team form a "power conference" who finishes last in their conference vs. a team who easily wins their conference but loses in their conference tournament championship? I mean MSU won ONE of their final eight matches. ONE! Michigan State swept Albany -13, -19, -16. MSU is #37 in RPI, NDSU is #45, Albany is #63. MSU is #48 in Pablo, NDSU is #78, Albany is #101. MSU had good (but losing) performances against four top-25 teams in their last four games. For example, their performance at Penn State on Friday was comparable to how Illinois and Michigan did there, and better than Minnesota did there. Not only that, they are in a conference that has a conference tournament. If that's the case, then that's their ticket into the NCAAs. They can't bellyache when they lose. Is it unfair? Yes. But then they should CHANGE IT! |
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Post by veebee on Nov 29, 2009 19:14:41 GMT -5
Could someone tell me the names of people on the selection committee?
Thanks
Edit: woops found it
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Post by 332flyer on Nov 29, 2009 19:15:23 GMT -5
Michigan State swept Albany -13, -19, -16. MSU is #37 in RPI, NDSU is #45, Albany is #63. MSU is #48 in Pablo, NDSU is #78, Albany is #101. MSU had good (but losing) performances against four top-25 teams in their last four games. For example, their performance at Penn State on Friday was comparable to how Illinois and Michigan did there, and better than Minnesota did there. MSU lost 13 out of their last 16 matches. Its criminal that they got in. I'm glad someone said it. I was certainly thinking it |
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 29, 2009 19:27:47 GMT -5
Cal, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii are the seeds not hosting. Ohio State, Tennessee, Kentucky, CSU and USC are hosting instead. It was suggested at the Minnesota get together today that MN is the "Hawaii of the Midwest". Seriously, outside of Hawaii has there been another program who has been seeded and not hosted rounds 1&2 more than MN? I mean, Florida at a 16 seed gets to host rounds 1&2? It didn't help MN that NDSU lost their tournament. It would have given MN another team in the area who could have come in. And I agree that the comittee screwed the Big 12. No reason for that region. While I'm happy that Texas isn't coming to MN (providing MN makes it to their regional), Iowa State and Nebraska in their regional is wrong. ISU and Washington could have easily been swapped with Washington going to Omaha and ISU coming to MN. Would have been more fair. Unless they wanted to stay away from a possible ISU/MN rematch from earlier this year. But that reasoning doesn't hold given the conference match-ups between ISU and Nebraska. Michigan State. Teams I feel for are Albany and NDSU. Is it really necessary to take a team form a "power conference" who finishes last in their conference vs. a team who easily wins their conference but loses in their conference tournament championship? I mean MSU won ONE of their final eight matches. ONE! yeah because a regional with Texas and Washington @ Nebraska would make things so much better  ....if anything swap out Iowa State and UCLA or Illinois |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 19:28:39 GMT -5
WSU lost 11 of their last 15.
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Post by udflyerskw on Nov 29, 2009 19:32:01 GMT -5
MSU lost 13 out of their last 16 matches. Its criminal that they got in. Have you seen MSU play? As others here have said, they're better than their W-L record shows. Yes, they're better. But haven't we established that among the top 40 programs Michigan State can't consistently win? Michigan State was 3-9 vs NCAA teams. I think we know they can't compete with the top 50 of the country. So why invite them? Washington State, too. 3-10 vs the top 50, as well. Why not reward a team like NDSU or Furman, who won won their matches and won their conference seasons? Or San Diego? Because Michigan State is better? They played the #149 SOS in non-conference play, then finishes NINTH and still makes the dance? If beating a bunch of nobodies shouldn't get you in, why should losing to a bunch of somebodies? Losing to a good team doesn't make you good. And if State doesn't like that, join the MAC or finish in the top half of your conference. San Diego went 2-3 against NCAA Tournament teams, instead of 3-9 like Michigan State. Their OOC SOS was #22. |
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Post by ugopher on Nov 29, 2009 19:41:36 GMT -5
It was suggested at the Minnesota get together today that MN is the "Hawaii of the Midwest". Seriously, outside of Hawaii has there been another program who has been seeded and not hosted rounds 1&2 more than MN? I mean, Florida at a 16 seed gets to host rounds 1&2? It didn't help MN that NDSU lost their tournament. It would have given MN another team in the area who could have come in. And I agree that the comittee screwed the Big 12. No reason for that region. While I'm happy that Texas isn't coming to MN (providing MN makes it to their regional), Iowa State and Nebraska in their regional is wrong. ISU and Washington could have easily been swapped with Washington going to Omaha and ISU coming to MN. Would have been more fair. Unless they wanted to stay away from a possible ISU/MN rematch from earlier this year. But that reasoning doesn't hold given the conference match-ups between ISU and Nebraska. Michigan State. Teams I feel for are Albany and NDSU. Is it really necessary to take a team form a "power conference" who finishes last in their conference vs. a team who easily wins their conference but loses in their conference tournament championship? I mean MSU won ONE of their final eight matches. ONE! yeah because a regional with Texas and Washington @ Nebraska would make things so much better ....if anything swap out Iowa State and UCLA or Illinois Sorry, didn't mean to get you upset. I wasn't picking on Washington. Just meant that there was no reason to put the three top teams in the Big 12 in the same regional. |
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Post by StuffU on Nov 29, 2009 19:42:02 GMT -5
Have you seen MSU play? As others here have said, they're better than their W-L record shows. Yes, they're better. But haven't we established that among the top 40 programs Michigan State can't consistently win? Michigan State was 3-9 vs NCAA teams. I think we know they can't compete with the top 50 of the country. So why invite them? Washington State, too. 3-10 vs the top 50, as well. Why not reward a team like NDSU or Furman, who won won their matches and won their conference seasons? Or San Diego? Because Michigan State is better? They played the #149 SOS in non-conference play, then finishes NINTH and still makes the dance? If beating a bunch of nobodies shouldn't get you in, why should losing to a bunch of somebodies? Losing to a good team doesn't make you good. And if State doesn't like that, join the MAC or finish in the top half of your conference. San Diego went 2-3 against NCAA Tournament teams, instead of 3-9 like Michigan State. Their OOC SOS was #22. Totally agree with you ... been sayin it for years .... |
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Post by Keystonekid on Nov 29, 2009 19:46:57 GMT -5
MSU lost 13 out of their last 16 matches. Its criminal that they got in. Have you seen MSU play? As others here have said, they're better than their W-L record shows. I have seen them play, but "better than their record says"  ? Its your record that is supposed to get you in. Everyone keeps saying this team is really good, and maybe they are but wouldnt they be winning matches if they were. 13 out of 16 is awful regardless of what conference you are in. This is a joke. |
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Post by pogoball on Nov 29, 2009 19:55:16 GMT -5
If NU had one more win to qualify on record, I bet MSU's season is over.
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Post by pennstate7188 on Nov 29, 2009 20:00:46 GMT -5
Have you seen MSU play? As others here have said, they're better than their W-L record shows. I have seen them play, but "better than their record says" ? Its your record that is supposed to get you in. Everyone keeps saying this team is really good, and maybe they are but wouldnt they be winning matches if they were. 13 out of 16 is awful regardless of what conference you are in. This is a joke. I disagree. Michigan State is one of the top 64 teams in the country, and therefore, should receive a bid into the tournament. There are probably 20+ teams from the bracket that Michigan State could easily beat on any night of the week. Yes, playing against Illinois, Minnesota, Penn State, and Michigan certainly didn't help their record, but they're much better than people think. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 29, 2009 20:18:59 GMT -5
Michigan St is hardly justifiable using the criteria that is listed for the committee--which you were touting so much yesterday. So what happened today? Oh wait, aren't you from somewhere in Michigan? Now, it all makes sense.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2009 20:24:18 GMT -5
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Post by ugopher on Nov 29, 2009 20:34:56 GMT -5
Michigan State swept Albany -13, -19, -16. MSU is #37 in RPI, NDSU is #45, Albany is #63. MSU is #48 in Pablo, NDSU is #78, Albany is #101. MSU had good (but losing) performances against four top-25 teams in their last four games. For example, their performance at Penn State on Friday was comparable to how Illinois and Michigan did there, and better than Minnesota did there. Not only that, they are in a conference that has a conference tournament. If that's the case, then that's their ticket into the NCAAs. They can't bellyache when they lose. Is it unfair? Yes. But then they should CHANGE IT! Problem is for those teams is that THEY won't be able to change it. The lower teams will see that the tournament is their only chance to qualify. The conference will need to feel it is in their best interest to do away with the tournament. Doubt that will happen. |
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Post by csuramfan on Nov 29, 2009 20:36:15 GMT -5
I'm not surprised either, there's plenty of consistency in the selections. The trouble is that you have to leave the mental fantasy land of Volleytalk, where we try to create a perfect world, for the reality that the selection committee leans heavily on RPI. And they have certain favorites that they try and look out for. As I mentioned over the past couple of weeks, they tend to let Colorado State host if there's any way it can be made to work, and once UNC beat Portland State, that sealed it. I'm not saying it is fair, but it is consistent with past tournaments, even down to sending Washington to the state of Colorado again (3rd time in the past 4 or 5 seasons).
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....if anything swap out Iowa State and UCLA or Illinois 
? Its your record that is supposed to get you in. Everyone keeps saying this team is really good, and maybe they are but wouldnt they be winning matches if they were. 13 out of 16 is awful regardless of what conference you are in. This is a joke.
