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Post by pepperbrooks on Nov 29, 2009 22:40:00 GMT -5
Lost to UCSB twice, Pepperdine twice, and San Francisco. Only two quality wins against top 50 teams. |
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Post by Tex_VB_Fan on Nov 29, 2009 22:40:49 GMT -5
P-Dub/Janie, seriously go away.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2009 22:42:18 GMT -5
Lost to UCSB twice, Pepperdine twice, and San Francisco. Only two quality wins against top 50 teams. RPI 58 doesn't help, either. So by committee criteria, no go. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2009 22:44:32 GMT -5
P-Dub/Janie, seriously go away. Aren't you cute? |
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Post by udflyerskw on Nov 29, 2009 22:44:34 GMT -5
Tulsa should've made it in... THAT's criminal. You lose to Gonzaga, Arkansas, UTEP, Southern Miss, and you should get in? Tulsa: 4-3 record vs NCAA Tournament teams. Better than... New Mexico 1-7 Washington St 3-11 Michigan St 3-9 Texas A&M 3-8 Miami 3-8 Cincinnati 3-5 Ga Tech 3-7 Clemson 4-6 Oklahoma 4-8 UCSB 1-2 Notre Dame 4-6 |
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Post by udflyerskw on Nov 29, 2009 22:49:51 GMT -5
It's implied that the teams which do the best in against that criteria are the MOST DESERVING of at-large bids, not the best teams. I don't see a difference. I don't see how Mich St didn't satisfy the criteria better than did NDSU. Especially the parts about "significant wins and losses" which is a primary consideration. You don't see a difference between best team and most deserving? Arizona State is a better team than Cincinnati. They just don't deserve to go to the dance. Tulsa should've made it in... THAT's criminal. Their non-conference schedule had an average rank of 194. That's awful. It was 164 in Pablo, which still isn't good, but is at least better. Yet Michigan State can play the #149 OOC SOS, finish last in their conference and get in. Awesome. |
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Post by Tex_VB_Fan on Nov 29, 2009 22:51:04 GMT -5
P-Dub/Janie, seriously go away. Aren't you cute? Janie, Christine, Diane, P-Dub...doesn't matter which one. You sure are defensive about the committee, the bracket, teams that made it in and left out. Just saying...... |
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Post by silversurfer on Nov 29, 2009 22:52:36 GMT -5
You lose to Gonzaga, Arkansas, UTEP, Southern Miss, and you should get in? Tulsa: 4-3 record vs NCAA Tournament teams. Better than... New Mexico 1-7 Washington St 3-11 Michigan St 3-9 Texas A&M 3-8 Miami 3-8 Cincinnati 3-5 Ga Tech 3-7 Clemson 4-6 Oklahoma 4-8 UCSB 1-2 Notre Dame 4-6 And if that were the only reason a team got in, you'd have something. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2009 22:56:47 GMT -5
I don't see a difference. I don't see how Mich St didn't satisfy the criteria better than did NDSU. Especially the parts about "significant wins and losses" which is a primary consideration. You don't see a difference between best team and most deserving? Arizona State is a better team than Cincinnati. They just don't deserve to go to the dance. Arizona State isn't eligible. Yet Michigan State can play the #149 OOC SOS, finish last in their conference and get in. Awesome.[/quote] I don't know what the 149 refers to, but the average RPI of Michigan St's non-conference opponents is 115. Moreover, they went undefeated against those opponents. Including a win over #25 and 49. Tulsa only played 1 against anyone in the top 140. And lost. |
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Post by udflyerskw on Nov 29, 2009 22:58:13 GMT -5
Yeah, if they had just lost to Penn State and Ohio State four times like Michigan State did, their RPI would be great and they'd be in!
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2009 23:00:35 GMT -5
Janie, Christine, Diane, P-Dub...doesn't matter which one. You sure are defensive about the committee, the bracket, teams that made it in and left out. Just saying...... I say it again: I agree damn straight with the committee's view that a team that doesn't beat anyone in the top 90 doesn't belong in the tournament. And I'll make no bones about it, I think those who are suggesting otherwise are blinkin' idiots. There are enough things to criticize the committee about instead of things that they do right. |
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Post by silversurfer on Nov 29, 2009 23:01:51 GMT -5
Yeah, if they had just lost to Penn State and Ohio State four times like Michigan State did, their RPI would be great and they'd be in! C'mon, that's silly. Tulsa didn't beat USC, or Clemson, or Illinois. They beat two decent teams twice. That's all. |
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Post by DiggUH on Nov 29, 2009 23:03:51 GMT -5
Hawaii's Dave Shoji was just interviewed during halftime of the Wahine Basketball game on TV. He said he felt that their early season wins over UCLA and Stanford didn't count for anything in the eyes of the Selection Committee, that he felt that the members of the Selection Committee don't really know anything about volleyball and were therefore tied to the RPI to make their selections. Fully agree!
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 29, 2009 23:09:06 GMT -5
Hawaii's Dave Shoji was just interviewed during halftime of the Wahine Basketball game on TV. He said he felt that their early season wins over UCLA and Stanford didn't count for anything in the eyes of the Selection Committee, This is clearly not the case. If those wins didn't count for anything, Hawaii wouldn't have been seeded at all. Such hyperbole isn't all that endearing. |
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Post by silversurfer on Nov 29, 2009 23:10:34 GMT -5
Hawaii's Dave Shoji was just interviewed during halftime of the Wahine Basketball game on TV. He said he felt that their early season wins over UCLA and Stanford didn't count for anything in the eyes of the Selection Committee, that he felt that the members of the Selection Committee don't really know anything about volleyball and were therefore tied to the RPI to make their selections. Fully agree! True. I don't think the committee knows anything about seeding this tournament. I can see arguments for who got in and why, but seeding is another thing. |
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