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Post by ladeda on Mar 26, 2010 15:25:40 GMT -5
The WAC only has 1 legitimate volleyball team and 8 wannabes.
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Post by mango on Mar 26, 2010 16:21:41 GMT -5
Do you think that a NCAA tournament that allowed only teams coached by women would change the landscape of intercollegiate hiring of coaches in VB ?
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Post by lonewolf on Mar 26, 2010 18:28:02 GMT -5
Maybe I'm misunderstanding how RK is ranking the conferences....but some of the them don't seem to be ranked correctly according to their corresponding RKPI (on the RK website. e.g. a conference with RKPI of 0.5290 is ranked lower than the conference with an RKPI of 0.5256) Maybe because it isn't based on average RPI? This looks more like Pablo, which is a good idea, since Pablo gives a more realistic view of relative team strength. RPI suffers, especially in conference comparison, from systematic regional bias that has nothing to do with team quality. In RPI, you would find the ACC rated a lot higher, and the WAC, for example, a lot lower. Ahh...I think this is the list based on Pablo...sorry...my question was referencing RK's Conference RKPI v. teams selected table. |
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Post by lonewolf on Mar 26, 2010 18:35:15 GMT -5
Do you think that a NCAA tournament that allowed only teams coached by women would change the landscape of intercollegiate hiring of coaches in VB ? 1-It would make for a short lawsuit that the NCAA would lose. 2-If it did happen, it's very possible that upper volleyball power teams/conferences would form a separate tournament. 3-Any school that followed it would lose a similar lawsuit. 4-If it did happen, the level of coaching would drop (not saying that male coaches are better...but getting rid of a demographic that is around half the coaches is bound to get rid of many that are dedicated to the players and do a good job) 5-It'll lose publicity as you have less population involved and interested in watching it. |
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Post by vetcoach on Mar 26, 2010 23:25:34 GMT -5
The Top 15 according to Rich Kern's site and conference rankings average: 1- Big Ten 2- Pac-10 3- Big 12 4- West Coast 5- SEC 6- Mountain West 7- Big West 8- Conference USA 9- Missouri Valley 10- Big Sky 11- ACC 12- WAC 13- Atlantic 10 14- Big East 15- MAC Maybe I'm misunderstanding how RK is ranking the conferences....but some of the them don't seem to be ranked correctly according to their corresponding RKPI (on the RK website. e.g. a conference with RKPI of 0.5290 is ranked lower than the conference with an RKPI of 0.5256) I'm sorry. This was unclear. This is based on average Pablo rankings. |
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Post by qc on Mar 27, 2010 12:34:41 GMT -5
Do you think that a NCAA tournament that allowed only teams coached by women would change the landscape of intercollegiate hiring of coaches in VB ? "Troll, troll, troll your boat, gently down the stream." What would they call it? (I'll get in trouble if I post any of the delightfully quaint "19th century" descriptions of "women's events" which might come to mind.  ) Who would participate in your tourney? Now a question for you. "If the moon was made of Swiss cheese, could we heat it up and have a fondue party?" |
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Post by sonofdogman on Mar 27, 2010 17:00:36 GMT -5
Do you think that a NCAA tournament that allowed only teams coached by women would change the landscape of intercollegiate hiring of coaches in VB ? "Troll, troll, troll your boat, gently down the stream." What would they call it? (I'll get in trouble if I post any of the delightfully quaint "19th century" descriptions of "women's events" which might come to mind. ) Who would participate in your tourney? Now a question for you. "If the moon was made of Swiss cheese, could we heat it up and have a fondue party?" Uh..., is this a basketball thread? or maybe about women's volleyball conferences? maybe? oh check it out, it's the fruit, i won't name the variety. won't. but it is not yet in season. tastes out of date. but, i am bringing me skewers to the fondue party. i like runny cheese... |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 28, 2010 16:33:37 GMT -5
So what is meant by "conference strength"? The Pac-10 blanked the final four last season - the last time that happened was 1998. Is that an anomaly, or a trend?
The Pac-10 still has four or five schools every season that are a threat to make the final four: Stanford, UW, USC, UCLA, and maybe Cal and Arizona. How many from the other conferences?
Penn State has a lock on the east coast, plus they're stealing top recruits out of other Big Ten schools' back yards: Dorton (Ind.), Glass (Mich.), Wilson (Ill.). Will their dominance continue until Rose retires? Volleyball is no longer primarily a west coast sport.
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Post by qc on Mar 29, 2010 12:33:36 GMT -5
Penn State has a lock on the east coast, plus they're stealing top recruits out of other Big Ten schools' back yards: Dorton (Ind.), Glass (Mich.), Wilson (Ill.). Will their dominance continue until Rose retires? Volleyball is no longer primarily a west coast sport. What about U. Texas getting east coast recruits like Bailey Marie Webster? Is PSU keeping all of the top east coast recruits? |
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 29, 2010 14:46:47 GMT -5
So what is meant by "conference strength"? The Pac-10 blanked the final four last season - the last time that happened was 1998. Is that an anomaly, or a trend?Well, since there was an 11 year difference between the instances I don't think trend is the right word to use (especially considering in the previous three seasons the Pac-10 had 7 of 12 semifinalists representing 5 different programs) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 14:52:33 GMT -5
Penn State has a lock on the east coast, plus they're stealing top recruits out of other Big Ten schools' back yards: Dorton (Ind.), Glass (Mich.), Wilson (Ill.). Will their dominance continue until Rose retires? Volleyball is no longer primarily a west coast sport. What about U. Texas getting east coast recruits like Bailey Marie Webster? Is PSU keeping all of the top east coast recruits? Obviously not. You just used Bailey Webster as your example. |
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Post by ay2013 on Mar 29, 2010 14:52:33 GMT -5
Penn State has a lock on the east coast, plus they're stealing top recruits out of other Big Ten schools' back yards: Dorton (Ind.), Glass (Mich.), Wilson (Ill.). Will their dominance continue until Rose retires? Volleyball is no longer primarily a west coast sport. What about U. Texas getting east coast recruits like Bailey Marie Webster? Is PSU keeping all of the top east coast recruits? from the last couple seasons they are keeping a lot of them, perhaps "lock" was the wrong word to use, but when everything was put into perspective last year PSU needed to recruit primarily a hitter to replace fawcett and a setter to back up glass....obviously Webster wasn't a setter and as the season clearly showed Dorton was a much more polished player who could contribute immediately than Webster. The difference in immediate impact was worlds difference. |
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Post by qc on Mar 29, 2010 17:49:03 GMT -5
What about U. Texas getting east coast recruits like Bailey Marie Webster? Is PSU keeping all of the top east coast recruits? Obviously not. You just used Bailey Webster as your example. Well, maybe she wasn't east coast enough to count? ;D |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 29, 2010 18:35:15 GMT -5
Penn State has a lock on the east coast, plus they're stealing top recruits out of other Big Ten schools' back yards: Dorton (Ind.), Glass (Mich.), Wilson (Ill.). Will their dominance continue until Rose retires? Volleyball is no longer primarily a west coast sport. What about U. Texas getting east coast recruits like Bailey Marie Webster? Is PSU keeping all of the top east coast recruits? Webster was born in Texas - hafta think that had an impact |
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Post by mango on Mar 30, 2010 10:12:16 GMT -5
Do you think that a NCAA tournament that allowed only teams coached by women would change the landscape of intercollegiate hiring of coaches in VB ? 1-It would make for a short lawsuit that the NCAA would lose. 2-If it did happen, it's very possible that upper volleyball power teams/conferences would form a separate tournament. 3-Any school that followed it would lose a similar lawsuit. 4-If it did happen, the level of coaching would drop (not saying that male coaches are better...but getting rid of a demographic that is around half the coaches is bound to get rid of many that are dedicated to the players and do a good job) 5-It'll lose publicity as you have less population involved and interested in watching it. I doubt that any conference strength will change by having fewer men coach women's volleyball. I also doubt that having fewer men coach women's volleyball will change the fan's demographics. Just look at the recent televised plee from Baylor women's basketball coach, asking to have their college alumni and students follow the women's team to the final four with the same fervor as the men's team. Ain't going to happen. |
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