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Post by mango on Apr 5, 2010 16:37:40 GMT -5
Which would simply lead to a revenue loss cascade that would lead to the elimination of all varsity sports, whether men's or women's, with only intramural programs left standing. Now, I have no problem with you're advocating that, but at least acknowledge what the consequences would be. This false impression is exactly what has allowed sports in college to get out of control. The IVY league totally funds their programs from tuition and endowments, and they have the broadest range of sports opportunities for student - athletes relative to any other Div I conferences. I would much rather have colleges acknowledge that they are sports revenue junkies, on par with the Hedge fund scoundrels, and that their addiction corrupts collegiate sports. Like I said, collegiate sports need rehabilitation. One way to do this would be to re - route sport revenues to academic programs, standardize the amount of money colleges can use to support athletics, and stipulate that all men's and women's sports be supported. As a spin off, I would be OK with establishing minor league football and basketball programs with colleges offering web-based curriculum for the educationally - inclined pre-professional athlete. |
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Post by ADIDAVB on Apr 5, 2010 16:57:00 GMT -5
if they can't support themselves or at least operate closer to even, get rid of it, no sense in draining the budgets of the sports making the money and taking from student funds and taxpayer funds I echo p-dub -- why not? Is the goal of college athletics to turn a profit? Or is the goal to enhance student life and educational experiences? Why should tax dollars that some schools get go to support the athletic budget?  when the athletic dept makes a profit, they don't turn around and give the money back....ticket prices go up, the money is spent on coaches salaries, facilities, or some schools give a little to the academic side....lets face it people the athletic department is big business, it really isn't about graduating kids and things, it's about dollars, except in the female side and none revenue producing sports, but football and Basketball do what they want as long as they are big money makers........... |
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Post by ADIDAVB on Apr 5, 2010 16:59:11 GMT -5
if a division of your company is killing profits, you would cut it or consolidate to make it more profitable, if all we have is football and basketball, then so be it, after all they are the ones that make all the money, the NCAA basketball tourny (mens) is basically 98% of the NCAA's yearly operating budget!!!!
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 5, 2010 17:07:49 GMT -5
if a division of your company is killing profits, you would cut it or consolidate to make it more profitable So let's cut all that academic stuff too, and just turn the schools into football and basketball corporations? |
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Post by ADIDAVB on Apr 5, 2010 17:36:58 GMT -5
if a division of your company is killing profits, you would cut it or consolidate to make it more profitable So let's cut all that academic stuff too, and just turn the schools into football and basketball corporations? you can if you want, but then players won't be eligible........they are basically separate anyway in most of the money producing athletic Dept's, they operate independent....when is the last time you saw 70,000 ppl line up and pay $100 for a kid to take a test, students will pick schools strictly on athletic reputation as Florida, the enrollment spiked when the football team started killing ppl, other programs have seen the same thing, kids want to go where athletic dept are successful, they just want the athlete eligible, no body actually cares that they graduate, that is a front, they need them eligible to play and make the school money, when that is over if they ain't making substantial dollars to contribute back to the school, most are forgotten, except for their athletic accomplishments, lets face it, it's the society we live in, academics is in hindsight the fans, athletes, and dept....do you really thinks kids care how many academic all-American a university has??? they either promote that stuff as a front to say "look we really care about your child's education" when really they care about keeping your kids eligible while they are there so they can help the team when, and if they happen to be smart enough, icing on the cake!!!! |
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Post by harryhotspur on Apr 5, 2010 22:45:47 GMT -5
From the timesonline:
"Sport is indeed worth doing for itself. This entertainment stuff is just a bonus. No one who is any good does sport to entertain people. Those who frame sport to maximise its entertainment potential are losing sight of its value and meaning."
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Post by volleylearner on Apr 5, 2010 22:55:00 GMT -5
I would much rather have colleges acknowledge that they are sports revenue junkies, on par with the Hedge fund scoundrels, and that their addiction corrupts collegiate sports. Like I said, collegiate sports need rehabilitation. One way to do this would be to re - route sport revenues to academic programs, standardize the amount of money colleges can use to support athletics, and stipulate that all men's and women's sports be supported. Instead of re-routing them, I'd like to see entertainment revenues for college sports simply disappear--minimal or no admission fees, no or ad-free TV, and no endorsements. I know that means the addicts would have to resist temptation, so I won't hold my breath, but just because there is a market for something doesn't mean it is good to sell it. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Apr 6, 2010 12:58:47 GMT -5
Do professors repay taxpayers, or support other departments when their research results in lucrative ventures? Damn straight we support other departments. 1/3 of the grant funds that I get go into a shared pool for the university. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Apr 6, 2010 13:02:32 GMT -5
if a division of your company is killing profits, you would cut it or consolidate to make it more profitable So let's cut all that academic stuff too, and just turn the schools into football and basketball corporations? I'm actually a big advocate of creating a wall of separation between the academic side and the athletic side. I have no problem turning the athletic department into a stand-alone operation, having to fund itself. Of course, that means it is also going to get royalties for things like jerseys and the like, but the university would just have to charge a licensing fee to allow the athletic department use its name. ETA: There is a major fundamental problem with equating the athletic department with the other academic departments on campus. If the Biology department at the University of Washington had the same success in terms of securing jobs for its graduates in that field as the athletic department, it would have been abandoned long ago as a worthless endeavor. Jeez, the philosophy department isn't even as bad. Could you imagine a commercial BOASTING that "almost all of the 400 000 psych students across the country are going to get jobs in a field other than pyschology!" College athletic departments actually boast that their students don't get jobs in their fields! From a university standpoint, that is an embarassment. But it just shows that athletics aren't part of the university. |
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Post by ADIDAVB on Apr 6, 2010 14:08:08 GMT -5
So let's cut all that academic stuff too, and just turn the schools into football and basketball corporations? I'm actually a big advocate of creating a wall of separation between the academic side and the athletic side. I have no problem turning the athletic department into a stand-alone operation, having to fund itself. Of course, that means it is also going to get royalties for things like jerseys and the like, but the university would just have to charge a licensing fee to allow the athletic department use its name. ETA: There is a major fundamental problem with equating the athletic department with the other academic departments on campus. If the Biology department at the University of Washington had the same success in terms of securing jobs for its graduates in that field as the athletic department, it would have been abandoned long ago as a worthless endeavor. Jeez, the philosophy department isn't even as bad. Could you imagine a commercial BOASTING that "almost all of the 400 000 psych students across the country are going to get jobs in a field other than pyschology!" College athletic departments actually boast that their students don't get jobs in their fields! From a university standpoint, that is an embarrassment. But it just shows that athletics aren't part of the university. so you are saying because most athletes don't end up in athletics that is a "failure", that is the most ridiculous statement, athletics isn't their field, business, teaching, biology, basket weaving, those are their Fields of study, athletics in 95% of the case is a means to an end, they use their god given athletic ability to pay for college to get an education in a chance of bettering their lives. 95% know there is no professional future for them after, they will use athletics for networking and to pay for their education......... |
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Post by ADIDAVB on Apr 6, 2010 14:28:01 GMT -5
the biggest things here is college athletics (big time athletics, football, basketball) has basically lost it's roots, it have turned more into a money producing industry and the universities have started to feed into that using their their athletics programs success as marketing tools, states adding taxes or seeling bonds for the university to upgrade and improve facilities to keep them at the top and get the best athletes, paying coaches higher and higher salaries.........the issue is do universities just continue to go with the times or do they try and change the direction of the times? it's hard to say, because athletics are the face, the pulse, the identity of a University. No one would care about Notre Dame if it was for the football history and teh same could be said about any number of universities and their athletic departments, stanford, michigan, Texas........the exception is the ivey league schools really |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Apr 6, 2010 16:40:31 GMT -5
I'm actually a big advocate of creating a wall of separation between the academic side and the athletic side. I have no problem turning the athletic department into a stand-alone operation, having to fund itself. Of course, that means it is also going to get royalties for things like jerseys and the like, but the university would just have to charge a licensing fee to allow the athletic department use its name. ETA: There is a major fundamental problem with equating the athletic department with the other academic departments on campus. If the Biology department at the University of Washington had the same success in terms of securing jobs for its graduates in that field as the athletic department, it would have been abandoned long ago as a worthless endeavor. Jeez, the philosophy department isn't even as bad. Could you imagine a commercial BOASTING that "almost all of the 400 000 psych students across the country are going to get jobs in a field other than pyschology!" College athletic departments actually boast that their students don't get jobs in their fields! From a university standpoint, that is an embarrassment. But it just shows that athletics aren't part of the university. so you are saying because most athletes don't end up in athletics that is a "failure", From an education perspective, yes. It is a failure of the department to prepare them for a job. As I said, any other department in the university that had a placement rate in their field, they would be demolished. Why not? So if the athletics department is not preparing students to be professional athletes, then what's it doing in the university? The biology department is preparing students to be biologists. The psychology department is preparing their students to be pyschologists. The athletic department boasts that their students don't get jobs as athletes. Thy have to be, because they can't get jobs as a professional in athletics. That isn't helping your case any. And? Meanwhile, students getting fellowships in math are using their god given math ability to help them get an education, too. More importantly, they are actually studying something they will do in their career. You speak as if I don't know any of this. Trust me, I know it (and I venture far more than you ) As I said, if any other department on campus had this placement rate, they would be cut. That the athletic department has different rules to follow is undeniable. And as a result, I contend that if they are going to play by different rules, then they need to be disassociated from the university. If they want to be part of the university, then can be held to the same standards as the rest of us. If they don't want that, then they should be separated. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Apr 6, 2010 16:42:34 GMT -5
the biggest things here is college athletics (big time athletics, football, basketball) has basically lost it's roots, yeah, it was far better back in the days when the schools used to just grab any locals in town and let them play. That's the real roots of college sports. That and boosters giving players cushy jobs. you don't have a clue what you are talking about |
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Post by Babar on Apr 6, 2010 19:25:18 GMT -5
if they can't support themselves or atleast operate closer to even, get rid of it, no sense in draining the budgets of the sports making the money and taking from student funds and taxpayer funds And while we're at it, get of the library, foreign languages, the art and history departments. |
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Post by lonewolf on Apr 6, 2010 19:50:03 GMT -5
the biggest things here is college athletics (big time athletics, football, basketball) has basically lost it's roots, yeah, it was far better back in the days when the schools used to just grab any locals in town and let them play. That's the real roots of college sports. That and boosters giving players cushy jobs. you don't have a clue what you are talking about The good old roots...back when boosters would pay professional athletes to come play for the university on the weekend. Whatever happened to those days of innocence. |
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when the athletic dept makes a profit, they don't turn around and give the money back....ticket prices go up, the money is spent on coaches salaries, facilities, or some schools give a little to the academic side....lets face it people the athletic department is big business, it really isn't about graduating kids and things, it's about dollars, except in the female side and none revenue producing sports, but football and Basketball do what they want as long as they are big money makers...........
