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Post by ucivball on Apr 12, 2006 0:35:59 GMT -5
when servers from opposing teams are not jump serving, long beach usually goes to two man with caldwell and lotman and they hide tarr. so when tarr does pass, he usually only passes jump serves. not an easy task for sure, but he doesn't have to constantly adjust from float to jump serves.
and about the idea that d 1 outsides can always pass, this is not always true. teams are caught hiding their suspect passing outsides all the time. both times that uci played pepperdine this year, OH parfitt was taken out of the passing formation maybe 4/6 rotations. at times when he was back row, carroll, as an opposite, would have to step in and pass. the uci fans had a heck of a time heckling parfitt b/c of his inability to pass.
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Post by thor on Apr 12, 2006 0:44:01 GMT -5
Tarr is a great hitter but there are guys who can not pass in the mpsf. fingrbuster, the coaches look at hitting percentage and kills over passing when picking the AA-teams, so that is not a good argument. Sure a bad passer might not make it but you don't have to be great.
I think Tarr is one of the best players, but I would have my players serve him to 1) keep him out of the offense and 2) because he is not a great passer. He has a lot of potential to get better at it though. Other examples... UCLA's george is a bad passer and even ByU's Cala has trouble. There really are mediocre passers playing in the mpsf and without Hildebrand LBSU would have more trouble. That good of a setter can build a good offense even if passing gets shaky (I'm not saying LBSU's is).
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Post by fingrbustr on Apr 12, 2006 0:44:44 GMT -5
Comparing Parfit to Tarr really is apple to orange...Parfitt played MB (and played well) when he was a frosh; even Marv has verbally admitted TO ME that the hand pass rules really have benefitted a guy like Parfitt (he wouldn't have made the switch if they didn't allow, basically). So, I don't doubt that Parfitt can be hidden at times. Doesn't mean he can't pass though.
So what you're theorizing, ucivball, is that Tarr is only good at passing 70+ mph bombs, not jump floats? C'mon man, Tarr has the hand-eye coord to pass 40mph floaters and not topspin, curveball bombs? You don't think he's athletic enough to adjust between the two? I'm not drinking that kool-aid, no thank-you.
Also, have you seen LBSU's offense? Notice who they like to go low pipe to on serve receive, ala' Jablonsky? Not that easy to do if your OH is passing the ball 30 feet back. You don't know what the coaches are thinking. If the serve isn't lightning quick AND CAN be handled by 2 individuals, not a bad idea to free up an attacker for a quick tempo attack.
(BTW, the reason 2-passer doesn't work at the highest level anymore? Everyone in the world can bomb 75+ mph serves, w/o penalty if they clip the net)
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Post by fingrbustr on Apr 12, 2006 0:48:26 GMT -5
Wow--this stuff is really cracking me up. I stand by that Tarr passes nails, period. Everyone here can argue w/ themselves
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Post by Ron on Apr 12, 2006 1:01:18 GMT -5
I never said that tarr is a "bad" passer, i simply stated that he's probably the best target for the opposing team to serve to. However, I wouldn't be the least bit suprised to find out that the beach has another outside hitter besides lotman who passes better than tarr, but a slight gain in passing wouldnt even come close to making up for the loss in firepower they would have to give up by keeping tarr off the court.
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Post by thor on Apr 12, 2006 1:11:48 GMT -5
To fingrbustr's comment on coaches voting for All-Americans... They do not look at just numbers and they also do not know all the guys. There are some miva-eiva coaches (I don't exactly know who is in that committee... does someone know?) voting for mpsf-players they might not have seen. Statistics count more than people might like.
For example, Dan Rhodes has .279 hitting % for the year (4.37 kpg) and that should NOT earn him a All-American status. Maybe he will get it because he played great when the right people were watching. Consistency matters... He can be a great hitter and has had a few (3-4) really nice nights to improve his statistics greatly. But what do you say about this? In this years matches he has hit -.100 once. -.200 once -.300 once, .000 once, .100 three times, .200 five times, .300 seven times and .500 once. Maybe AA 2-team.. A big maybe. Do not mean to put the guy down, he is a big part of CSUN's success, but behind in numbers. Tarr has more kills with good efficiency and he will be AA-1 team regardless of his passing (which I already said to be ok but not great.) But back to my point: numbers matter A LOT.
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Post by thor on Apr 12, 2006 2:09:47 GMT -5
Forgot: Rhodes has hit .400 four times too
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